Re: engine assembly labor
[Re: fishy340]
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08/18/11 06:16 PM
08/18/11 06:16 PM
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IcorkSOAK
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do like i did,i got banged in the u know what..
I talked to a Bud down-the-street ... BBC guy .... who got -also.
He supplied all-the-parts to this famous HP rebuilder for his dually. He was charged for ring filing/fitting ... yet the rings he supplied were std 30 over.
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Re: engine assembly labor
[Re: fishy340]
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08/18/11 06:26 PM
08/18/11 06:26 PM
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Gumbydammit
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Compwedge, you are RIGHT ON THE MONEY there. For a performance engine build, 800 is not out of line. Checking clearances, maybe needing to get + or - .001 bearings, deburring parts, file fit and deburr rings, install cam bearings, wash the block and all the parts ( properly ), final assembly, it all adds up and when its done properly, it takes TIME. Add setting up the top end, checking valve spring pressures and installed heights, valve to guide clearance, rocker arm alignment, etc. and it should easily be another $500. I'm not an engine guy, but I am in a trade-type business. IF someone wants me to provide a service, and stand behind my work, sure no problem. Knock me down on my price, no thanks, go somewhere else. BTW, if it's a Hemi, and you are having him assemble the short block only, I don't blame him for not degreeing the cam without having the Heads. He could set it at the cam grinder's spec with out having the heads, but to me that's only part of the degree job. With the heads on he can check piston to valve clearance at different degrees of crank rotation. I wouldn't degree it without the heads either. If he did, you bolt the heads on, and fire it up only to have the valve hit the pistons, you'd come back with your head on fire accusing him of not doing his job. There's more to it than bolting stuff together. I know this, and I'm no expert. The real pros know.
Last edited by Gumbydammit; 08/18/11 06:33 PM.
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Re: engine assembly labor
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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08/19/11 08:53 AM
08/19/11 08:53 AM
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800 is fair... you could ask for the cam degree job to be thrown in.
I agree...burn that bridge over $1-200. There are just some people you shouldn't do business with until their perception changes IMO. Let him take it to this other shop that is cheaper, I say. I like Todd's explanation/reasoning; How would you feel if daily, your boss adjusted (only downward) your wage based on your performance? As mentioned, I would also have the same shop do the entire assembly. But, if I were this original shop and happened across this post, I would not take the job. IMO the OP is unfamiliar with the work required. Also, you are unable to recognize accurate advice from respected/sucessful members. You even contradict yourself. I honestly hope you get this worked out and all parties win. But, again no self-respecting shop would do business with you in your current state of mind IMO.
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Re: engine assembly labor
[Re: hemi-itis]
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08/19/11 12:11 PM
08/19/11 12:11 PM
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IcorkSOAK
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Something smells FISHY,and I now HATE the smell of fish!!
I agree ....verrry FISHY-itis !
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Re: engine assembly labor
[Re: Scotts71chall]
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08/19/11 01:41 PM
08/19/11 01:41 PM
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451Mopar
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To me it sounds a bit on the high side, but not unreasonable. It takes a few days to correctly check and assemble, mock up, tear down, correct, clean, and re-assemble an engine. The question is what exactly are they checking, and correcting? How are they fitting the cam? How many times are they torque the studs and bolts? What will they correct for free, or charge extra for? What block prep are they doing? Are they installing the frost plugs and painting the block? What oiling system, how complicated a system (If they are installing it?) I think for the price they should degree the cam too? I can see a long block costing more. It takes a bit of time to disasemble all the valves, check spring pressures, measure and correct spring install heights, mock up rocker gear, measure for pushrods, check and correct intake manifold fit, ect. I was thinking more like 16 hours at $50/hour = $800?
Last edited by 451Mopar; 08/19/11 01:58 PM.
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Re: engine assembly labor
[Re: 451Mopar]
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08/19/11 05:41 PM
08/19/11 05:41 PM
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Performance Only
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To me it sounds a bit on the high side, but not unreasonable. It takes a few days to correctly check and assemble, mock up, tear down, correct, clean, and re-assemble an engine. The question is what exactly are they checking, and correcting? How are they fitting the cam? How many times are they torque the studs and bolts? What will they correct for free, or charge extra for? What block prep are they doing? Are they installing the frost plugs and painting the block? What oiling system, how complicated a system (If they are installing it?) I think for the price they should degree the cam too? I can see a long block costing more. It takes a bit of time to disasemble all the valves, check spring pressures, measure and correct spring install heights, mock up rocker gear, measure for pushrods, check and correct intake manifold fit, ect. I was thinking more like 16 hours at $50/hour = $800?
is 50.00 bucks an hour the going rate where your located for a premier engine builder? keep in mind that the OP is supplying the parts, so if they don't fit right, he has to pay for the correction also. those parts as delivered fitting properly is NOT the responsibility of the builder. it is his job to catch any problems and correct them though. after all, that's worth paying for, right???
Last edited by Performance Only; 08/19/11 08:34 PM.
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Re: engine assembly labor
[Re: prostreet68]
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08/19/11 05:57 PM
08/19/11 05:57 PM
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The assembling cost is then appx 10% of the engine value, in parts. So it is no big deal. More important is to have it properly done, and documented, and a warranty in some way against assembly errors if something bad happens at a later stage. An unskilled assembler can easily destroy your high value parts, or set them up so they self-destruct. I think that will be all the difference. Saving 2-300$ is no deal if the 10-15k$ engine fails.... If it is a bread and butter sbc, then it is a completely different story. But, you got a Hemi....Keep it living, too many Hemis went down the drain. The worst engines I work on are Hemis that have had multiple repairs/overhauls. My
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