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Re: WHY
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07/28/11 12:17 AM
07/28/11 12:17 AM
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St. Paul , Mn.
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no flame from me. worse yet is when someone will spend major coin on "the good stuff", only to finish it off with some cheap junk that compromises the whole thing.
THIS !
Completely and utterly astounding that someone will spend large coin till the top end..........then go with junk rockers , valve springs or name the component of your choosing.
I am also from the " over build " school.
The lessons of not going with the best were simply expensive.
Luckily , they weren't harmful to anyone's health , but that was a distinct possibility.
One example from our last car.......12.0 Mercury Cyclone with a 429 and an auto. Stock N case , 31 spline axles and innards.
Shelled the pinion yoke at 1/2 track , which twisted the driveshaft in half and the front half of the driveshaft tried to beat it's way into the passenger compartment.
It had a front loop but the damage was ugly still.
Of course , it took the transmission case with it.
That 100.00 part I didn't buy ( 1984 dollars ) cost me significantly more.
I was standing behind the starting line , my better half is my pilot , and all I saw was smoke when the tranny fluid hit the headers.
I didn't know if she was on the wheels or on the roof.
The next rear end was probably good for 1500 h.p.
And I never gave it another thought.
Peace of mind also has a price.
The deal I am into now has taken longer and cost a bunch more than I expected.
But it will be right and I will not worry about it once it is done.
That is worth the extra money to me.
My well documented bias against off shore parts aside , there is right and there is right.............the definition of which is different for each of us.
But I am building this for me and / or Judy to drive , and I will not gamble with that.
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Re: WHY
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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07/28/11 02:52 AM
07/28/11 02:52 AM
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Aurora, Colorado
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I guess I'm cheap. I just can't afford a $10,000+ engine for a car that is basically a toy.
I try to use affordable parts that get the job done.
When I built my 451 stroker with stock 440 crank and rods, everyone told me I would break the old stock rods. My reply was "when it breaks I'll build a bigger one." 15-years later the engine broke, but not a rod, it was the intake valve in the "new expensive" heads I used when I built the engine.
So now I have a 500" stroker with the "affordable" 440 source kit. With my budget, it was either the "cheap" kit or back to stock parts, and the parts in the "cheap" kit are way better quality than the stock stuff.
If/when this engine breaks, I may step up to incrementally bigger and better parts as the stock 400 block is nearing it's (safe) power limits.
Also, the money saved on the engine helped pay for the needed transmission and drivetrain upgrades.
If I just droped $20K on a 1,000 HP engine, and put it in a stock car with stock drivetrain I would be breaking a whole lot of parts.
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Re: WHY
[Re: Moparmal]
#1040994
07/28/11 11:11 AM
07/28/11 11:11 AM
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mckinney texas
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I want to apologize to mike for being ugly to him. I like your car And your inputs here on moparts. I have mopars On the brain Constantly and want to get mine going so I can input somthing More substantial! Lol. Let's all get along and continue to help Each other 
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Re: WHY
[Re: shoebox]
#1040995
07/28/11 11:19 AM
07/28/11 11:19 AM
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Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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I want to apologize to mike for being ugly to him. I like your car
And your inputs here on moparts. I have mopars On the brain
Constantly and want to get mine going so I can input somthing
More substantial! Lol. Let's all get along and continue to help
Each other
No problem... apology accepted
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Re: WHY
[Re: shoebox]
#1040996
07/28/11 11:24 AM
07/28/11 11:24 AM
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Finally a HUSKER again
Moparnut426
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I want to apologize to mike for being ugly to him. I like your car
And your inputs here on moparts. I have mopars On the brain
Constantly and want to get mine going so I can input somthing
More substantial! Lol. Let's all get along and continue to help
Each other
 
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Re: WHY
[Re: shoebox]
#1040998
07/28/11 01:55 PM
07/28/11 01:55 PM
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Oakland, MI
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Wow... I feel like I inspired Mr. P-body to start this post after we found my Chinese POS wastegate was machined wrong and you can see daylight between the seat and the valve!  I have one project that is a no expenses spared, R3 block, Callies Crank, Oliver Billet Rods, W9 heads, T&D, etc... My other project is a bunch of stock/low buck/ chinese junk thrown together with a turbo to have some fun. I'm pretty sure I know which one will last longer... I knew that going in... My expectations are right where they should be for the parts I've chosen to buy. If it breaks... it breaks... I don't expect the stock mopar rods to be any better then the Chinese wastegate. I tried to spend money where I thought it was important, and I skimped where I thought I could get away with it. Stock rods, stock crank, stock block, might sound like a VERY strange combination with a big turbo, Stainless rings, cometic gasket, and a $300 set of inconel exhaust valves. But the point was that I spent money on where it was needed, and tried to get away saving costs on the non-critical areas... I think it's the best approach for a budget minded project, just because obviously we all have limits on what we can spend... Just my 
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Re: WHY
[Re: dizuster]
#1040999
07/28/11 02:16 PM
07/28/11 02:16 PM
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Romeo MI
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Wow... I feel like I inspired Mr. P-body to start this post after we found my Chinese POS wastegate was machined wrong and you can see daylight between the seat and the valve!
I have one project that is a no expenses spared, R3 block, Callies Crank, Oliver Billet Rods, W9 heads, T&D, etc...
My other project is a bunch of stock/low buck/ chinese junk thrown together with a turbo to have some fun.
I'm pretty sure I know which one will last longer... I knew that going in... My expectations are right where they should be for the parts I've chosen to buy.
If it breaks... it breaks... I don't expect the stock mopar rods to be any better then the Chinese wastegate. I tried to spend money where I thought it was important, and I skimped where I thought I could get away with it.
Stock rods, stock crank, stock block, might sound like a VERY strange combination with a big turbo, Stainless rings, cometic gasket, and a $300 set of inconel exhaust valves. But the point was that I spent money on where it was needed, and tried to get away saving costs on the non-critical areas...
I think it's the best approach for a budget minded project, just because obviously we all have limits on what we can spend...
Just my
No Scott it wasnt you so dont even think it
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Re: WHY
[Re: dizuster]
#1041001
07/28/11 03:08 PM
07/28/11 03:08 PM
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Delray beach, Florida
Performance Only
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it's good to see everyone has made up and all is hunky dory in Mopar land again. i think there's a huge difference between cheap, low budget, appropriate budget and just plain rediculous or dumb. we deal with it on a daily basis in my business. in many cases the low budget guy isn't necessarily a cheap guy. quite often the cheap guy will call to look for a certain part because he knows the price is low. if we know that part has a history of failure (not all do) we'll let them know. often times there's a better part available that's within just a few dollars, so when there is we let them know about it. in any case, i believe everyone that's posted in this thread knows where they fall catagorically and it is what it is. no point in being judgemental IMO. people are who they are, that's what makes the world go around.
machine shop owner and engine builder
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Re: WHY
[Re: dizuster]
#1041002
07/28/11 03:16 PM
07/28/11 03:16 PM
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gulfport, ms, west mi
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When I first read the post the first thought that came to mind was a poster that day was looking for some cheap gages. My way of thinking, and I am CHEAP! is if you spend a lot of money on your engine why would you buy a piece of crap to monitor it? Another was looking for info on pro comp heads while a set of good built quality heads were on the for sale on the moparts board for about the same money. A person can buy what they want , no money out of my pocket but I look for deals, A racer that is up grading usually has some good parts at reasonable prices and I buy those before new. Haven't got burned yet.
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: WHY
[Re: CompWedgeEngines]
#1041004
07/28/11 03:53 PM
07/28/11 03:53 PM
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Akron, Ohio U.S.A.
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I'll be at Thompson Saturday...you gonna be there???????
I will do my very best to be there!
Shure would be nice to meet you in person
Will you have an air conditioned hospitality tent set up 
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