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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: Stanton]
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07/26/11 07:17 PM
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good luck with that !!!
not a good start...lol
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: terzmo]
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07/26/11 07:29 PM
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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07/26/11 08:52 PM
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With my el-cheapo 1 7/8" summit headers I can weasel my mini-starter in and out but it takes a while. I don't think you're going to do that with any 2" headers!
I noticed on Summits website, it shows the painted headers as 1 3/4 and the ceramic coated as 1 7/8. Are the headers actually different or is it a typo on their website?
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: terzmo]
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07/26/11 09:22 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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Does anyone have or know of headers that do NOT capture the starter on a Big Block B body....2 inch headers minimum for size and a mini starter is fine...
question 2......and how hard is it to get to the plugs for a change
My 69 Bee has a 440 with stock hi-po exhausts and number 4 and 6 have to be gotten from below.Can change the starter though. Just installed headers on another Bee(owner supplied) and number 5 needs a peanut plug and a contortionist to get it.(from below also) Forget about getting to the starter on this also.
Thanks to all in advance
what? I've never had to use a "peanut" plug. Jeesh man grind on the flange if you have an issue. Why does one need a 2" header anyway? I bet 1 7/8 would be fine. What is the set-up? you have to drop the steering linkage, lay the header in, then hang the starter, then bolt the header up. While the header is loose instal the plug and plug wire for that matter. It also helps to have that side of the motor jacked up.
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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07/26/11 09:34 PM
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Stanton
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Why does one need a 2" header anyway? I bet 1 7/8 would be fine.
You're kidding right ?!?!? That's like saying why do you need a .600 lift cam, what's wrong with .500 - or why do you need an 850 cfm carb, what's wrong with 650?
The point is when it comes to big-block Mopars and headers we're pretty much screwed because of the unibody design and suspension layout. The best advice is to put in a good starter in the first place, invest in a quality set of headers that other members can vouch will fit with minimal "adjustment" and then keep your fingers crossed.
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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07/26/11 10:39 PM
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Does anyone have or know of headers that do NOT capture the starter on a Big Block B body....2 inch headers minimum for size and a mini starter is fine...
question 2......and how hard is it to get to the plugs for a change
My 69 Bee has a 440 with stock hi-po exhausts and number 4 and 6 have to be gotten from below.Can change the starter though. Just installed headers on another Bee(owner supplied) and number 5 needs a peanut plug and a contortionist to get it.(from below also) Forget about getting to the starter on this also.
Thanks to all in advance
what? I've never had to use a "peanut" plug. Jeesh man grind on the flange if you have an issue. Why does one need a 2" header anyway? I bet 1 7/8 would be fine. What is the set-up? you have to drop the steering linkage, lay the header in, then hang the starter, then bolt the header up. While the header is loose instal the plug and plug wire for that matter. It also helps to have that side of the motor jacked up.
Is there a full moon...that's all fine on an initial installation....down the road is the issue...replacement without doing the header or tranny removal
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: terzmo]
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07/27/11 12:12 AM
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I have Summit 1-7/8 headers and if you unhook and pull back the sterring column the starter comes out the top without touching the headers. Their headers are PATRIOT Headers in a different box. Can`t say if 2-in. would be the same 
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: forphorty]
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07/27/11 02:06 AM
07/27/11 02:06 AM
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With my el-cheapo 1 7/8" summit headers I can weasel my mini-starter in and out but it takes a while. I don't think you're going to do that with any 2" headers!
I noticed on Summits website, it shows the painted headers as 1 3/4 and the ceramic coated as 1 7/8. Are the headers actually different or is it a typo on their website?
Correction, mine are the 1 3/4 painted summit headers. They are obviously just headman's in a summit box. No idea about their coated headers. I'd assumed they were the same ones but coated but apparently not...
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: 6bblFLASH]
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07/27/11 09:11 AM
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I have Summit 1-7/8 headers and if you unhook and pull back the sterring column the starter comes out the top without touching the headers.
Their headers are PATRIOT Headers in a different box.
Can`t say if 2-in. would be the same
Thanks...good info here.....................for a change
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: Stanton]
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07/27/11 09:30 AM
07/27/11 09:30 AM
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Mr.Yuck
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Why does one need a 2" header anyway? I bet 1 7/8 would be fine.
You're kidding right ?!?!? That's like saying why do you need a .600 lift cam, what's wrong with .500 - or why do you need an 850 cfm carb, what's wrong with 650?
The point is when it comes to big-block Mopars and headers we're pretty much screwed because of the unibody design and suspension layout. The best advice is to put in a good starter in the first place, invest in a quality set of headers that other members can vouch will fit with minimal "adjustment" and then keep your fingers crossed.
no I'm not kidding. A general perfomance engine doesn't need 2" headers. For most mild 440 applications 1 3/4" would be fine. You HP gains might be 5-10hp up to 1 7/8 and that would depend on how aggressive your build is. That's why I asked about his build. If this is a "street car" that doesn't see much track time the 2" tubes would be pointless. I've used all kinds of headers, I found cheap hedmans fit very well. Headers will always have a few problem areas no matter the brand.
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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07/27/11 05:14 PM
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Why does one need a 2" header anyway? I bet 1 7/8 would be fine.
You're kidding right ?!?!? That's like saying why do you need a .600 lift cam, what's wrong with .500 - or why do you need an 850 cfm carb, what's wrong with 650?
The point is when it comes to big-block Mopars and headers we're pretty much screwed because of the unibody design and suspension layout. The best advice is to put in a good starter in the first place, invest in a quality set of headers that other members can vouch will fit with minimal "adjustment" and then keep your fingers crossed.
no I'm not kidding. A general perfomance engine doesn't need 2" headers. For most mild 440 applications 1 3/4" would be fine. You HP gains might be 5-10hp up to 1 7/8 and that would depend on how aggressive your build is. That's why I asked about his build. If this is a "street car" that doesn't see much track time the 2" tubes would be pointless. I've used all kinds of headers, I found cheap hedmans fit very well. Headers will always have a few problem areas no matter the brand.
The question was about 2 inch headers..anyone have them that don't capture the starter...why am I getting questions about the motor build...A body header suggestions and a the rest of somthing I didn't ask for? Either someone has em...or they don't...simple
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: terzmo]
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07/27/11 05:31 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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Why does one need a 2" header anyway? I bet 1 7/8 would be fine.
You're kidding right ?!?!? That's like saying why do you need a .600 lift cam, what's wrong with .500 - or why do you need an 850 cfm carb, what's wrong with 650?
The point is when it comes to big-block Mopars and headers we're pretty much screwed because of the unibody design and suspension layout. The best advice is to put in a good starter in the first place, invest in a quality set of headers that other members can vouch will fit with minimal "adjustment" and then keep your fingers crossed.
no I'm not kidding. A general perfomance engine doesn't need 2" headers. For most mild 440 applications 1 3/4" would be fine. You HP gains might be 5-10hp up to 1 7/8 and that would depend on how aggressive your build is. That's why I asked about his build. If this is a "street car" that doesn't see much track time the 2" tubes would be pointless. I've used all kinds of headers, I found cheap hedmans fit very well. Headers will always have a few problem areas no matter the brand.
The question was about 2 inch headers..anyone have them that don't capture the starter...why am I getting questions about the motor build...A body header suggestions and a the rest of somthing I didn't ask for? Either someone has em...or they don't...simple
hey man just trying to help. If you 2's try a set of Hooker's
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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07/27/11 06:16 PM
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"Correction, mine are the 1 3/4 painted summit headers. They are obviously just headman's in a summit box. No idea about their coated headers. I'd assumed they were the same ones but coated but apparently not..."
The Summit headers are, and have been for some time, rebranded Patriot's. They are very similar to a hedman, but not quite identical.
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Re: Headers=starters=Big Block=B-Body
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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07/27/11 06:26 PM
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i know this isn't much help,BUT i have the 2"DOUGS cerimac headers from summit(iirc 550 delivered)(was 2yrs ago)anyway the mini starter does get captured,so to replace would be a little pain,have to drop header,but is easy to do,exp.install instruction say place starter in place loosely before sliding header in,which i did and header slide in from top with out scratching any paint,i was amazed and i used a good mini starter,figuring i wouldn't change that as often as the plugs,which brings me to the trade off,the plug change is awesome,takes 10min,and my plug boots don't get burned like other headers i had did,plenty of room around plugs,only one plug on pass.side requires me to put a wrench on my plug socket,as the ratchet won't fit cuz of inner fender well,no biggy.this is a 70 road runner 440 auto,manual steering. i will buy DOUG'S headers everytime.Also there is lots of room around the starter so no heat soak,just can't get it out without dropping header(DOUG'S supplied special bolts make this and easy chore though. i know not really what you were looking for,but don't think you'll find a better header .pm me if you want pics 
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