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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037431
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Raff...I mentioned that we did,about 10 posts previous to this one! I figured Gary has seen this before...and wanted to get his take on how they corrected it. Pretty much the same thing you said...drilling a hole aft of the existing mounting hole,and welding in a tube. Mike...have you ever heard of these springs from Dan Dvorak,that I mentioned in the previous post?

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037432
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Raff...I mentioned that we did,about 10 posts previous to this one! I figured Gary has seen this before...and wanted to get his take on how they corrected it. Pretty much the same thing you said...drilling a hole aft of the existing mounting hole,and welding in a tube. Mike...have you ever heard of these springs from Dan Dvorak,that I mentioned in the previous post?




Heard of them... never seen one

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037433
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Just did some research on the Dvorek springs. Sounds like the guys using them REALLY like them at the track!...but tend to be pretty stiff for street driving! With Rancho 9-ways,I'm sure that could be remedied with a softer setting!

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037434
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Just did some research on the Dvorek springs. Sounds like the guys using them REALLY like them at the track!...but tend to be pretty stiff for street driving! With Rancho 9-ways,I'm sure that could be remedied with a softer setting!




If they are real stiff then those Rancho's wont be
strong enough... plus on the street they would still
be stiff... you cant make a stiff spring soft with a
shock

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037435
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Mike...if that's the case,I wouldn't use them. The ride quality with the current 002/003 springs and #5 setting on the Rancho's is pretty comfortable! I'll probably get the shackles moved forward...or buy another set of springs...made for a B-Body car. My question if I do end up buying another set of SS springs,is what weight-rated set? #3400...#3600??? The X weighs 3500 lbs. with 5 gal. of gas,ready to race...and 3720 with my slimmed-down rear in the seat! Thanks! Randy B.

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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037436
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Mike...if that's the case,I wouldn't use them. The ride quality with the current 002/003 springs and #5 setting on the Rancho's is pretty comfortable! I'll probably get the shackles moved forward...or buy another set of springs...made for a B-Body car. My question if I do end up buying another set of SS springs,is what weight-rated set? #3400...#3600??? The X weighs 3500 lbs. with 5 gal. of gas,ready to race...and 3720 with my slimmed-down rear in the seat! Thanks! Randy B.




Randy you would end up with the 3600 specially with
your tire to fender issue

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037437
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I was under the impression, that B bodys used a longer front spring hanger when using A body springs.
Instead of buying new springs, wouldn't it be cheaper to fabricate some fresh hangers to correct the angle.
JMO Mick


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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: deaks] #1037438
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Randy
I was under the impression, that B bodys used a longer front spring hanger when using A body springs.
Instead of buying new springs, wouldn't it be cheaper to fabricate some fresh hangers to correct the angle.
JMO Mick




He has the long hangers in the front BUT it seems like
the rear segment is shorter also(from the locator
pin the the rear eye) which moves the lower bolt on
the shackle forward... by about a 1" to 1 1/2"...
his tire is located in the center of the wheel well
and that aspect looks good

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037439
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The 3800# B/E body length SS springs have a longer rear segment than other SS springs. I ran them on my Charger (with extended front hanger, all SS springs have the same A-body length front segment and require them on B/E body cars) and I did not have to move the rear hanger. If you're running the original A-body style 002/003 SS springs on a B body, you need both the extended front hanger and relocation of the rear hanger.

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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037440
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Randy i would not spend a dime on new springs. you have a great spring already. I use the 02/03 springs on everything. You would not be happy with the 3400# SPRING OR THE 3600# they sit too low. I have had cars with the 02/03 springs 60 in the 1.27-1.44. Your bad 60's could be other things in your combo than the springs. Those launcher springs are more exspensive than caltracs with no adjustments. They work maybe a little better than a well tuned superstock spring set up. But if i was going to spend the money do caltracs. With that said you could have the best rear suspension parts back there and still not have great 60's if it has not been sorted out. Also you get what you get when you go to poor tracks that are not prepped good and the temps do not make for good 60's.


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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Blusmbl] #1037441
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Mike,thanks for your explanation on this! Nick,thanks for pointing out what's required for these springs! These 002/003's have been on for a LONG time! Maybe the #3800 springs would make a noticeable difference!??? What do you guys think?

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037442
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I'd match Jake's suggestion, I wouldn't buy another set of springs- I had the 3800# springs on mine but it was a 4 speed car. Relocating the rear hanger should be almost free to try, I'd give that a shot first before attempting anything else.

On the original topic I wouldn't cut your car up just for inboard springs either. It's too nice. If you're going to fire up the sawzall, at least go big and back-half it.


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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Blusmbl] #1037443
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Didn't realize you had 002/003s....never claimed I could read

for the shackle angle to be correct, with the longer front hangers, either:

-punch a hole in the stub-rail (not really the frame, because it sits outside the frame separate from it) further forward, weld in a tube the proper size for the bushings (relocate the shackle like Nick states). If you do this, you can put the shackle anywhere you want....

-Forget the shackles completely and convert to sliders...opinions differ on whether sliders are a good or bad upgrade with traditional SS springs, from what I've seen they can be helpful alot of times

-swap in a longer main leaf

-swap springs altogether...I probably wouldn't either....

Ladder bars and coilovers take alot less butchering than inboard springs....Drill out the spotwelds holding the shock crossmember in, weld in a much stronger one....weld in a ladder bar crossmember to the frame ties. No cutting the frame, and the mods are reversible (but who would want to?)


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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Blusmbl] #1037444
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The 3800# B/E body length SS springs have a longer rear segment than other SS springs. I ran them on my Charger (with extended front hanger, all SS springs have the same A-body length front segment and require them on B/E body cars) and I did not have to move the rear hanger. If you're running the original A-body style 002/003 SS springs on a B body, you need both the extended front hanger and relocation of the rear hanger.

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Thanks for the explanation Nick ....that's what i figured was going on.

Randy, if you don't get it sorted out and want to try a set of 3800lb B-body springs lemme know and i'll bring you down a set at Norwalk. These have maybe 200 miles and a few dozen track passes on them so basicly brand new.

I'll trade them for a 6-pack of Raff's favorite Keystone Light


Ron

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: firefighter3931] #1037445
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The 3800# B/E body length SS springs have a longer rear segment than other SS springs. I ran them on my Charger (with extended front hanger, all SS springs have the same A-body length front segment and require them on B/E body cars) and I did not have to move the rear hanger. If you're running the original A-body style 002/003 SS springs on a B body, you need both the extended front hanger and relocation of the rear hanger.

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/superstock.html





Thanks for the explanation Nick ....that's what i figured was going on.

Randy, if you don't get it sorted out and want to try a set of 3800lb B-body springs lemme know and i'll bring you down a set at Norwalk. These have maybe 200 miles and a few dozen track passes on them so basicly brand new.

I'll trade them for a 6-pack of Raff's favorite Keystone Light


Ron




Thats a pretty pricey set of springs dont ya think Ron
and believe me thats not my choice... when I'm home
I drink Molson Ice

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: firefighter3931] #1037446
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How can I pass up a deal like that??? I'll bring a TRUNKFUL of KL for those springs,Buddy! I'm going to try moving that rear shacle angle...and see what happens! We'll see! Ronnie...do ya think it really makes that much of a difference? THANKS BUDDY!

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How can I pass up a deal like that??? I'll bring a TRUNKFUL of KL for those springs,Buddy! I'm going to try moving that rear shacle angle...and see what happens! We'll see! Ronnie...do ya think it really makes that much of a difference? THANKS BUDDY!




Randy if you put the B body springs on it will move
because the springs are longer in the rear

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Randy I bet it will be huge difference. Right now it gose into a bind and shortens the stroke so the spring quits working. We have tried the 3400 and 3600 and 3800 springs and none will out 60 the 002/003s that is the best scienced out mopar spring in my oppinion.

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You might also want to add a shock extension to give you a little more travel in the shocks so they are not limiting any travel. Hard to get it set up right if the shocks are fully extended and limiting what the springs are trying to do. You may find you need to lower the front bolt hole down 1 hole to settle it out a litle. Go with the shortest set of shackles you can get away with.


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Gary..you've convinced me to stay with the 02/03's! If the front mounting bolt is dropped from the top mounting hole,to the lower one...what will that do? Lower the rear-end?...hit harder? If it does lower the body,the tire clearance on the street tires will be REAL CLOSE! That's going to be a BIG consideration..even though I'd like to level the car out! Thanks for the info,fella's!

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