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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: actionange] #1037411
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Fellers...I think you're onto something! Mike(P-Body)made a note of the same exact thing! The rear shackles are in a "neautral" position when the chassis is loaded!...straight up and down. Maybe the total length of the A-Body spring is throwing the angle off whack! I know the shackle should be at a 30 degree angle forward,for best results! What is the fix? Drill new mounting holes for the shackles...or just get new SS springs?...if so,which weight-rated ones? Thanks Angelo,and Ron!...and Raff,for your help! BTW...Angelo,haven't run my pinion snubber in years. Are you running one on the Satellite???

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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: firefighter3931] #1037412
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Brad H also runs CalTracs and 295/65 M/T's and 60 fts in the 1.40's



I run the smaller 275/60R15s, CalTracs, std-height mono springs, older 5-way adjustable Rancho shocks, small-block t-bars, QA1-R front shocks, and the front set up for 5+" travel from static ride height. The car was pulling consistent 1.45-1.46 60-fts. the last couple of times the car was run in 2009, but hasn't been back to the track since then.

Also, I don't like the jacked-up look and my car sits fairly low & level as you can see here.

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: BradH] #1037413
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No snubber ever used with Caltrac monoleafs and bars.
Get the rear end out of the air. Superstock springs have a tendency to ride high. I tried these when first putting the car together and quickly went to the Calracs.
Car sits low and works great.

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: actionange] #1037414
07/24/11 09:48 PM
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Two places to check, 1st make sure you have enough front end travel 5 to 6 inches, you may have to lower the front end to achieve this. 2nd make sure your rear shocks arent to short, because if they are as the chassis rises it will take the rear end with it and unload the tire causing it to bounce, resulting in poor 60ft times. Plenty of guys are using the same parts that you are, I think you just have some tuning to do good luck

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037415
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Fellers...I think you're onto something! Mike(P-Body)made a note of the same exact thing! The rear shackles are in a "neautral" position when the chassis is loaded!...straight up and down. Maybe the total length of the A-Body spring is throwing the angle off whack! I know the shackle should be at a 30 degree angle forward,for best results! What is the fix? Drill new mounting holes for the shackles...or just get new SS springs?...if so,which weight-rated ones? Thanks Angelo,and Ron!...and Raff,for your help! BTW...Angelo,haven't run my pinion snubber in years. Are you running one on the Satellite???


I know the shackle should be at a 30 degree angle forward,for best results!it's been a while sense i'v run the ss spring but i thought that the rear shackle is supposed to be facein the rear at your loaded settings(if that makes any sense)

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: formula S] #1037416
07/24/11 10:21 PM
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Two places to check, 1st make sure you have enough front end travel 5 to 6 inches, you may have to lower the front end to achieve this. 2nd make sure your rear shocks arent to short, because if they are as the chassis rises it will take the rear end with it and unload the tire causing it to bounce, resulting in poor 60ft times. Plenty of guys are using the same parts that you are, I think you just have some tuning to do good luck




He has a couple of problems... the tire size he wants
to run(on the street) is just clearing and he has
the body up so they clear... being that the body is
up it has less travel in the shocks(extension)...
and the rear shackle angle is wrong.... looking under
there today if he wanted to move the springs in-board
it wount do a bit of good, he has about 5/8" clearance
to the inner wheel well... the vid he showed earlier
had his shock settings on 5 and it topped out the
shocks

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037417
07/25/11 12:31 AM
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Kerry...I may have misspoken! It might be 30 degrees,angled to the rear! I'll have to check my MP Chassis Manual! Meanwhile...can someone chime in? Thanks!

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037418
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Kerry...I may have misspoken! It might be 30 degrees,angled to the rear! I'll have to check my MP Chassis Manual! Meanwhile...can someone chime in? Thanks!




The top angles to the front

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037419
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Thanks,Mike!

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037420
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My vote for cal tracs.... and mono's and getting the correct rim, I have 275 60 15 MT/DR and have gone 1.45 60'

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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: 10secGTX] #1037421
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My vote for cal tracs.... and mono's and getting the correct rim,




+1


Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: topbrent] #1037422
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: JAKE68] #1037423
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Frannie,I'm REALLY leaning towards getting the Cal-Tracs,and not cutting up the frame! I would run the 295/65-15's on mine. I didn't care at all for the look of the 275's...when I bought a pair a few yrs. ago!...just didn't fill up the wheel well! You mentioned getting the "correct" rims...what's wrong with the ones I currently use? The 295's are mounted on the 8" rim,and they seem to be doing OK,as far as clearances go...no rubbing. I have to figure out how to drop the height of the rear an inch or 3,though! Maybe mount the front spring bolt in the UPPER hole? Thanks for your opinions,Fran..and Brent! Randy B. Gary...I'll call ya later today!

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037424
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Randy, I vote that you use the parts you already have and figure out why their not working. Leafs will get you well into the 10's. CalTrac's are good for run-to-run consistancy...not worth the expense for your goals IMO. The shocks must not top-out! The rims probably should be wider to spread the tire for a larger contact patch. I would probably mount the front spring in the top mounting hole too. Make sure the front end is loose and has travel as per many here are suggesting. As you know, Raff can help you pretty well.

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: HardcoreB] #1037425
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Randy, I vote that you use the parts you already have and figure out why their not working. Leafs will get you well into the 10's. CalTrac's are good for run-to-run consistancy...not worth the expense for your goals IMO. The shocks must not top-out! The rims probably should be wider to spread the tire for a larger contact patch. I would probably mount the front spring in the top mounting hole too. Make sure the front end is loose and has travel as per many here are suggesting. As you know, Raff can help you pretty well.


DING DING DING!!! We have a winner! That's what I would do,Randy!


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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: tboomer] #1037426
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Converter also plays a big influence on 60' but you're way away from needing to worry about it. Get the chassis sorted out first. You need a track day where you keep the hood closed & not even think about the engine.

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: STEFF] #1037427
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Thanks,guys! In actuality,the front spring mounting bolt is in the TOP hole! If I drop it down to the BOTTOM hole,will that lower the rear end ride heighth? I talked to Gary Jacob(Jake68)today,and he said that it's common with the B-Body cars with A-Body springs, to drill a new rear spring mount hole forward of the existing mounting hole...to correct the rear shackle angle! Please give me your opinions on this! THANKS! Randy B.

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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037428
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Thanks,guys! In actuality,the front spring mounting bolt is in the TOP hole! If I drop it down to the BOTTOM hole,will that lower the rear end ride heighth? I talked to Gary Jacob(Jake68)today,and he said that it's common with the B-Body cars with A-Body springs, to drill a new rear spring mount hole forward of the existing mounting hole...to correct the rear shackle angle! Please give me your opinions on this! THANKS! Randy B.




Listen to Gary, he's right on!

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: STEFF] #1037429
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Does ANYONE know about some leaf springs that Dan Dvorak was selling???...suppose to be comparable to Luneack Launchers,which I've heard MANY times,worked real well! Reason I'm asking,is a board member offered me a set at a reasonable price! Thanks in advance for the help!

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037430
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Thanks,guys! In actuality,the front spring mounting bolt is in the TOP hole! If I drop it down to the BOTTOM hole,will that lower the rear end ride heighth? I talked to Gary Jacob(Jake68)today,and he said that it's common with the B-Body cars with A-Body springs, to drill a new rear spring mount hole forward of the existing mounting hole...to correct the rear shackle angle! Please give me your opinions on this! THANKS! Randy B.




I think we talked about the shackle angle the other day

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