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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: B G Racing] #103005
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According to Pa.Dot it doesn't matter wether your private,commercial,or other wize,you must be regestered for your Gross combination weight if you pull a licenced trailer and the combination weight exceedes the gross weight of your tow vehicle.IE: if you have a truck that has a GVW of 10,000lbs and are towing a trailer with the laden weight of i0,000lbs you should register yourtruck for a GCVW of 20,000lbs,Rembember also any trailer over 10,001lbs or any truck or truck and trailer exceeding 26,001lbs requires a CDL licence and a health card. Also you must have a statement from the mfg as to the max combo towing weight.IE: My Dodge 3500 is 12,200GVW with a max towing GCVW of 23,000.I can't register my truck any higher unless it is modified and certified to do so.It is all based on axles,tire contact patch,braking capabilities,and structual design.




Now let me add one more worm to the can.

Make sure your tires on the trailer and truck are rated for the load you are carrying.

One of the things the DOT will do is go and look at the load rating of all the tires on the trailer and then compare that to the actual weight on the axles of the trailer and also the tow vehicle.

When I was stopped in Ohio at the westbound scales on I-70 pulling my 3-car wedge trailer with my F350 and was told to pull around back to be inspected. The first thing the DOT officer did was look at how I scaled and checked the rating on all the tires on my trailer and truck.

I failed the inspection due to the break-away battery was dead. I didnt' think about it someone had stolen the pin and cable from my break-away box. I always carry a spare so I didn't think anything about it when I just clipped in the spare and hooked up. Well not thinking that the whole time the pin was missing the electric brakes were energized and drained the battery.

As a result I was deemed "Out-of-Service aka OOS" by DOT till I went to the closest WalMart and got a replacement battery.

If you think it is difficult for racers....it is a real barrel of monkeys for the trucking companies expecially the small independent operators. This is part of the reason and the cost of fuel is why I am no longer in the auto transport business.

Every state is autonomous when it comes to transportation regulations. I have heard the saying, "Treat every state you enter like it is a seperate country." I was even told that by a Florida DOT officer while he was handing me my own personal gift of a $1000 fine for being over length with my F350 and 3-car wedge trailer.

The scary part is that I would have gotten the same ticket with my 32ft enclosed racecar trailer due to the way they interpreted the regulation on how they wrote me my fine. Any straight truck pulling a trailer over the length of 28ft requires an "over length" endorsement in Florida. The fine is $500 per a foot over the length of 28ft to the maximum of $1000.

The more and more I think about racing now.....going back to Amateur Radio is starting to look better and better.


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: rickstershemi] #103006
08/12/08 01:15 PM
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There are only a couple of states that don't have reciprocity regarding DMV. So if your legal in your state your legal in theirs. But have ammunition to prove it

(the above is second hand info...so but sounds feasable)

Pennsylvania and North Carolina both have reciprocity.

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BUT....you must also be legal for the towing laws for the state you are going through.

Also, I have been told that since tinted windows are illegal in PA, anyone driving through the state can be cited for them. The laws apply to everyone.

Reciprocity applies to licensing, not vehicle code as I understand it.

Some years ago all of the NHRA nitro trailers were all stopped at the CA border. They were too long for California law and weren't allowed in.

It took a call from NHRA to the governor, reminding him that if they canceled a national event because the transporters were illegal, the tax loss would be huge.

The governor granted a temporary exemption to get them in.

Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: B G Racing] #103007
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Do you pay by weight to register your trailer in PA? In NY I pay more annual registration fees for my 10000 pound limit trailer than I do for my 7000 pound limit trailer.


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: BBLM23] #103008
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Do you pay by weight to register your trailer in PA? In NY I pay more annual registration fees for my 10000 pound limit trailer than I do for my 7000 pound limit trailer.




I'm not exactly sure how they figure it, but my car trailer is $12 a year, and the boat is $6. One has two axles, the other one.

PA also offers permanent plates for trailers. I found out right after I renewed the car trailer plate for 5 years....

Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: Prostock] #103009
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Also, I have been told that since tinted windows are illegal in PA, anyone driving through the state can be cited for them. The laws apply to everyone.




IIRC, if you have out of state tags, the state you are in can't give you an inspection ticket for tint or other inspection items. In Maryland tint is an inspection item, how can you give a ticket to someone that has out of state tags, if/when the inspection in their state allows tinted windows? That doesn't make any sense. But we are talking about the gov't, so who knows.


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: Bill_LBSR] #103010
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How do I find out what my combined towing / load rating is? My door sticker has GVWR 8800#'s but I didn't see anything that showed towing. The glove box sticker said the rear axle is a 6500# rated Dana.

It is an 2001.5 2500 Cummins Ram with the camper package (4 wheel disc, extra load springs, and sway bars.)

I didn't see what would be the towing rating.

-Dave


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: Bill_LBSR] #103011
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Also, I have been told that since tinted windows are illegal in PA, anyone driving through the state can be cited for them. The laws apply to everyone.




IIRC, if you have out of state tags, the state you are in can't give you an inspection ticket for tint or other inspection items. In Maryland tint is an inspection item, how can you give a ticket to someone that has out of state tags, if/when the inspection in their state allows tinted windows? That doesn't make any sense. But we are talking about the gov't, so who knows.




Thats easy to answer! Do you know every states laws on tinted windows? Its impossible to know every law for every state I don't care who you are. But if your smart when you get the ticket then you will send them info with a copy of your ticket back to them and say "LOOK". But thats about the best I can come up with.


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: GTSDave] #103012
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How do I find out what my combined towing / load rating is? My door sticker has GVWR 8800#'s but I didn't see anything that showed towing. The glove box sticker said the rear axle is a 6500# rated Dana.

It is an 2001.5 2500 Cummins Ram with the camper package (4 wheel disc, extra load springs, and sway bars.)

Dave, check the sticker again, there should be a GCVWR on the sticker as well.

I didn't see what would be the towing rating.

-Dave




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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: BJS racing] #103013
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Just checked again and it aint there.

Shows GAWR Front (4,410) and GAWR Rear (6,084) then has some tire info with pressures. That's it. Maybe there is another sticker somewhere????

-Dave


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: GTSDave] #103014
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The overall load on the truck can not exceed the GVWR of the truck. So say the GVWR is 10,000 and the truck weighs 5,000. The load ON the truck can not exceed 5,000. But that is the actual load on the truck sitting still. So with a goose neck trailer that would mean that your ball weight. But make sure that you are under 26,000! The company truck and trailer by the numbers weighs in at 25,853! Now we couldn't have done that if we wtried to!


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: BJS racing] #103015
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Wish we were getting somewhere with this thread, but we are not. I see this being a very long rocky road ahead, enough to make some/many just park it or or only run say within 20 miles of haome and take that chance.

Since this will effect every facet of grass roots racing and the racing hobby, wouldn't someone like SEMA that has some proven political clout step up to the plate to get the bigshots to at least simplify and standardize the requirements? I mean SEMA is the one in the end who will get hurt the most if we all give up and quit.

Anybody know anybody at SEMa to link this to?


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: jcc] #103016
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I am also curious about the combined gross vehicle rating. I have a 2000 f350 dually and the only thing i see in the door is the gross vehicle weight rating also.


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: nasty68] #103017
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In Fla, when at the local tag agency, you just pick a weight, and pay the correct fee. The tag agency doesn't care or know enough to care.


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: jcc] #103018
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This is from one of the other sites you guys referred to ,,,, he stated this referred to a TAG type trailer

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Federal regs define race car haulers as full trailers, meaning the weight of the trailer and contents are fully supported by the trailer axles, not the trucks. Truck and trailer total weight are used to compute loads for semi trailers where the weight of the load in the trailer is partially supported by the trailer and partly by the truck axles.



Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #103019
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This is one of the reasons I sold my triple axle tag. The way the rules read, a triple axle puts you into CDL territory no matter what.

If you have a pick-up truck and enclosed trailer with 2 axles, you should register your truck for the combined weight, carry a copy of that exemption, and that should cover you for all but the most Gonzo cop. My personal opinion is to not letter the trailer either, as it just attracts unwanted attention.

On the fuel transportation, my understanding is you are not required to placard your vehicle flammable unless you have more than 1,000 lbs of fuel. A 55 gallon drum is about half that, so most racers wouldn't be affected.

And don't placard your vehicle just to "cover yourself." Once you've opened that can of worms, you've just exposed yourself to all kinds of problems. Placards would likely make you an instant target for DOT enforcement.


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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: nasty68] #103020
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I am also curious about the combined gross vehicle rating. I have a 2000 f350 dually and the only thing i see in the door is the gross vehicle weight rating also.




I don't know the link for Ford, but here's the link for Dodge Trucks..

www.dodge.com/towing


Chris..

Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa. [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #103021
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This thread gives me a headache. So if I walk into a Dodge dealer and they sell me a truck that will tow 16,500lbs shouldn't I need a Cdl to drive it off the lot?

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Only if you are going to use it for commercial purposes. As stated, 10,001 lbs. and over for commercial use, must abide by CDL laws.
26,001 and over combined wt.=CDL.

Just weigh your rig and see where it falls.


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I am also curious about the combined gross vehicle rating. I have a 2000 f350 dually and the only thing i see in the door is the gross vehicle weight rating also.




I don't know the link for Ford, but here's the link for Dodge Trucks..

www.dodge.com/towing


Chris..





For Fords the The "Combined weight" or the GCWR {Gross Combined Weight Rating} is in the owners Manuel.

The GVWR {Gross Vehicle Weight Rating} is on the door sticker.

As a Example of My 2001 F150 Factory GCRW is 13000#

My GVWR is 6700#

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