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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: Chris2581]
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07/06/11 09:36 PM
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todays cars..punch in a laptop and download data.
No sir,I don't like it.
More data only makes you smarter.... no reason to guess at it
I would prefer my skills and using my head over a laptop...more satisfaction.
Thats the problem... you would be guessing without
data... alot of people think they have some sort of
seat of the pants dyno... and it usually proves wrong
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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07/06/11 10:06 PM
07/06/11 10:06 PM
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Jacksonville, FL
Chris2581
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I don't see it that way Mr P..if you know your car,and can tune it and do all the adjustments based on knowledge,is that guessing?? A computer takes info that is entered into it,so using it is an educated guess then too correct?? You are still gathering data,whether you make notes or use a computer. But to each his own 
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: Chris2581]
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07/06/11 10:13 PM
07/06/11 10:13 PM
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I don't see it that way Mr P..if you know your car,and can tune it and do all the adjustments based on knowledge,is that guessing?? A computer takes info that is entered into it,so using it is an educated guess then too correct??
You are still gathering data,whether you make notes or use a computer.
But to each his own
Your right... we would all do better with a pencil
and throw the data loggers in the trash
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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07/06/11 10:28 PM
07/06/11 10:28 PM
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Your right... we would all do better with a pencil
and throw the data loggers in the trash
Some people will never embrace technology, if only for the fact that they look back on the past with fond memories. Comparing a modern pro stock car seeking every thousandth of a second in ET to someone tinkering with a carb is like comparing apples to elephants.
11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: topfueldart]
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07/06/11 10:34 PM
07/06/11 10:34 PM
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Your right... we would all do better with a pencil
and throw the data loggers in the trash
Some people will never embrace technology, if only for the fact that they look back on the past with fond memories. Comparing a modern pro stock car seeking every thousandth of a second in ET to someone tinkering with a carb is like comparing apples to elephants.
You know... I enjoy the past but I dont dwell on it
as some on here do... I learned long ago... information
is power and you can NEVER get enough information
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: HEMIFRED]
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07/07/11 09:19 AM
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No dont think so...back in the day the "pro stock chassis"usually served 2 years with a team...then they were reskinned with newer bodies&front ends..many were sold to Modified racers for A or B Gas...A/MP,B/MP,Comp racers for A/EA,B/EA or sold to match racers....some even ended up in SC or SG,even more went overseas...UK&AU had pro stock series...many years ago Pro Stock was contested at Division races...8 and 16 car fields were common....plus you had IHRA,UDRA,AHRA National events that contested Pro Stock classes...The big chassis builders of the day Alston,Ness,S&W,Lynch,Haas,Hardy,Rells,did not churn them out as fast as they do today..now waiting lists are common.....the man hours to produce one on a jig is amazing....back then many were built in small local shops....they started with a body in white..the transition from stock chassis to todays pro stocks was required as the engines made more horsepower,the tire technology improved,the lenco and clutchs smoothed the gear changes...the cars suspension was calmed down,lightweight components were added....listen to a Pro Stock run today...when they shift the RPM barely drops...I will get overdosed friday and sat at RT66 with the evening qualifing sessions...with the track repaving....should be some great numbers...mid 6.50s at 211+
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: Joesixpack]
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07/07/11 10:24 AM
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I find absolutely nothing of interest or relate in today's pro stock class and less than in SS/HA.
Those cars should be in comp classes.
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: slantzilla]
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07/07/11 07:58 PM
07/07/11 07:58 PM
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Arkansas
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Some of you guys on here made it sound like downloading data makes the car easier to tune. Well it doesnt, just an fyi. More info means having more knowledge to analyze it and knowing what to do with it. Lots of people take data, but few know how to use and implement properly. I appreciate both. If I had my choice, my Pro Stock would combine the things I like most about both eras. The engine, driveline, and other technologies of today and the stock appearing heavier cars of then. A 2600lbs stock wheelbase class similar to Super Modified cars would be my rendition of what Pro Stock should be today.
I'm 24 by the way, I'm pretty sure I'm one of the young one's on here
Adriel Paradise
Substation Design Engineer III
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: MIKES_DUSTER]
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07/08/11 09:35 AM
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Todays Pro Stocks are really carbureated funny cars with doors. No fun to watch. Also none of them, except the Mustang, can be bought at a dealer with a V8. The golden days of drag racing are gone. There was a time when you could drive your street car to the strip, uncork the headers and put on the slicks and run near the national record. It was fun not work. Now it is work. I still like to run my street Duster a couple of times a year but no longer have the patience to spend the day for 3 or 4 runs.
No Stock
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Re: OLD PROSTOCK CARS VS NEW PROSTOCK CARS
[Re: SCDaytona]
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07/08/11 01:05 PM
07/08/11 01:05 PM
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Technology has made the cars admittedly (he says grudgingly) faster and safer, but now it's a chore to race & every move has to be calculated. It's simply too expensive, too political & too competitive to make even a simple T&T session fun. By the time you're done with towing, entry fees, fuel, maintienence pieces, & wear-and-tear on the car and MAYBE 3 or 4 passes downtrack, the average 9 or sub 9-second pass costs 3 figures. Compare that to running your average 9 or 10 second street car and it hardly seems worth it. For the guys that can & want to go through that--good for you!  But I'm at an age now where it's just too much money for the thrill/time involved equation to balance out so I'll play spectator to the nostalgia events.....
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