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Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Leigh] #1025401 07/04/11 12:17 PM 07/04/11 12:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,628 Columbus, Ohio wheelsup68dart OP master
wheelsup68dart OP master Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,628 Columbus, Ohio	Thanks for the sympatheic words everyone. I know I was pretty vague in my description of what was in the trans. For those who do not know my car, it is a race ready 2600 lb sb stroker. Runs 6.00's 1/8th mile and 60' times are in the 1.26-1.28 area. My 904 is pretty simple, fully roller, hardened input and output shafts, and good friction and Bands always used. I have never questioned my builder for what they wanna use or do. I still run a stock steel drum for maintenance purposes.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: wheelsup68dart] #1025402 07/04/11 01:06 PM 07/04/11 01:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: Thanks for the sympatheic words everyone. I know I was pretty vague in my description of what was in the trans. For those who do not know my car, it is a race ready 2600 lb sb stroker. Runs 6.00's 1/8th mile and 60' times are in the 1.26-1.28 area. My 904 is pretty simple, fully roller, hardened input and output shafts, and good friction and Bands always used. I have never questioned my builder for what they wanna use or do. I still run a stock steel drum for maintenance purposes. Maybe it's time for a different builder? Sometimes a change can be for the better. I would highly recommend an aluminum drum for what your doing. Have you ever used Dave Smith's stuff (Pro Trans)? I've had nothing but excellent results from his parts and suggestions. And for the record, if the 904 won't hold up to the power, a 727 won't either. Brian Brian Hafliger

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1025403 07/04/11 02:05 PM 07/04/11 02:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA Leon441 master
Leon441 master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA	ou812 have to dissagree. A 727 has twice the clutch surface area when you take the diameter into account. Also the gearsets and shafts are larger. The case is also stronger. That said there is nothing wrong with a 904. Start building these powerglides everyone is bragging on and you will see the clutches many use in glides are the same as 904 just more of them in the race glides. If I were going to take a shot with where your problem lies I would say in the valve body. Not a fan of A&A valve body so I may be bias. You could possibly just have trash in it in their defense. I gave up on 904's due to breaking the front planet never lost the band although you do have to stay on the adjustment more than in a 727. The proflites that run so fast are 727 cases with modified 904 internals and a ton of tricks. They set records everyday. Try a Griner or Transact valve body after checking the case for leaks and fixing the problems at hand. Probably will not hear about trannie issues from you from now on. But, I fully understand when you loose trust in something on your car you can easily be beat. Carry a spare tranny and you will never need one.LOL Leon Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1025404 07/04/11 02:07 PM 07/04/11 02:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Thanks for the sympatheic words everyone. I know I was pretty vague in my description of what was in the trans. For those who do not know my car, it is a race ready 2600 lb sb stroker. Runs 6.00's 1/8th mile and 60' times are in the 1.26-1.28 area. My 904 is pretty simple, fully roller, hardened input and output shafts, and good friction and Bands always used. I have never questioned my builder for what they wanna use or do. I still run a stock steel drum for maintenance purposes. Maybe it's time for a different builder? Sometimes a change can be for the better. I would highly recommend an aluminum drum for what your doing. Have you ever used Dave Smith's stuff (Pro Trans)? I've had nothing but excellent results from his parts and suggestions. And for the record, if the 904 won't hold up to the power, a 727 won't either. Brian To me a steel drum with larger piston area and more clutch plate's would be the ticket, low maintenance as opposed to an aluminum and better clamping ability of added clutches as long as the line pressure is up to snuff, there isn't anything drastically wrong with the stock high gear drum as long as you go with the a999, as the likelyhood of a explosion is greatly reduced because of the physical size, on another note , I have seen some of Lonnies carnage, and I honestly do not believe it to be VB related, JMO Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: dartman366] #1025405 07/04/11 03:06 PM 07/04/11 03:06 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 127 Long Island, NY B1Johnny member
B1Johnny member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 127 Long Island, NY	hey lonnie sorry about your trans .i would check the front band strut,if it bent you could loose second gear.i take two 904 struts cut one down and weld it to the other one.you will never brake it after that.i have a bunch of 904 trans running low 9 second et,the clutches and bands are holding up.i use griner brakes.they release quick and no overlap to kill the band or high clutches.if the problem is the band and you want to tackle it i could walk you through it it is easy.later johnny.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: B1Johnny] #1025406 07/04/11 03:27 PM 07/04/11 03:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,662 in a cattle trailer down by th... G Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,662 in a cattle trailer down by th...	I don't think the problem is the 904 either. Mine is very nearly all stock stuff except for the T/A tranzbrake VB. I have run my trans for 10 years now with only fluid and filter changes every year and band adjustments. I don't even run a cooler but I do run good synthetic fluid. I was taking it apart at the end of every season for 3 years but you could still read the ink on the stock clutches so I just put it back together and kept on racing. There is something else wrong with yours and all indications point to the VB. "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1025407 07/04/11 03:53 PM 07/04/11 03:53 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South DaKuda super stock
DaKuda super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South	Totally disagree. We have ran a 727 behind a 980hp big block in a roadrunner for years. 3100lbs and leaves on the bumper every pass running 5.90 in the 1/8th. Still on its first 727 built here with napa parts store parts. Nothing fancy with a turbo action brake and converter. A 727 will take abuse and power. Maybe its your builder? Quote: Quote: Thanks for the sympatheic words everyone. I know I was pretty vague in my description of what was in the trans. For those who do not know my car, it is a race ready 2600 lb sb stroker. Runs 6.00's 1/8th mile and 60' times are in the 1.26-1.28 area. My 904 is pretty simple, fully roller, hardened input and output shafts, and good friction and Bands always used. I have never questioned my builder for what they wanna use or do. I still run a stock steel drum for maintenance purposes. Maybe it's time for a different builder? Sometimes a change can be for the better. I would highly recommend an aluminum drum for what your doing. Have you ever used Dave Smith's stuff (Pro Trans)? I've had nothing but excellent results from his parts and suggestions. And for the record, if the 904 won't hold up to the power, a 727 won't either. Brian

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Guitar Jones] #1025408 07/04/11 03:59 PM 07/04/11 03:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,628 Columbus, Ohio wheelsup68dart OP master
wheelsup68dart OP master Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,628 Columbus, Ohio	The trans that made it all last season and the first couple outings this season was with the Tranz act pro brake. Sent it in to have checked after lock up in Coulumbus. The A+A brake is the same one I have had for 5 plus years and never had any problems with besides braking output shafts, hence the reason I got the high dollar input and output shafts from Rick.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: DaKuda] #1025409 07/04/11 04:07 PM 07/04/11 04:07 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 296 CT T turbocolt2.4L enthusiast
turbocolt2.4L enthusiast T Joined: May 2006 Posts: 296 CT	i would check the line pressure the 904 needs more than the 727 i myself run 6.0's@116mph in the 8th also 2600lbs car w/driver turbo4cyl,alum direct drum A&A lba brake but i raised pressure to 180+ got well over 200 passes with dyno pulls before i pulled it was still mint.BTW leaveing @ 7500 rpm 27psi boost.i will see how it holds up this season makeing more power now.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Leon441] #1025410 07/04/11 05:26 PM 07/04/11 05:26 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 614 Michigan G Get-X mopar
Get-X mopar G Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 614 Michigan	Quote: ou812 have to dissagree. A 727 has twice the clutch surface area when you take the diameter into account. Also the gearsets and shafts are larger. The case is also stronger. That said there is nothing wrong with a 904. Start building these powerglides everyone is bragging on and you will see the clutches many use in glides are the same as 904 just more of them in the race glides. If I were going to take a shot with where your problem lies I would say in the valve body. Not a fan of A&A valve body so I may be bias. You could possibly just have trash in it in their defense. I gave up on 904's due to breaking the front planet never lost the band although you do have to stay on the adjustment more than in a 727. The proflites that run so fast are 727 cases with modified 904 internals and a ton of tricks. They set records everyday. Try a Griner or Transact valve body after checking the case for leaks and fixing the problems at hand. Probably will not hear about trannie issues from you from now on. But, I fully understand when you loose trust in something on your car you can easily be beat. Carry a spare tranny and you will never need one.LOL Leon What Leon says is true, but there's more to every story they say. It's true that Pro-flights are breaking records every day, but they're far from maintenence free. SS/AH cars run them, but they are serviced A LOT! Lonnie will never be happy with the 904 as he races way too much to keep up with the maintenence. Put a 727 or a glide in it and be done with the grief JMHO. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do. '65 Belvedere '68 GTX '57 Dodge pickup

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Get-X] #1025411 07/04/11 06:06 PM 07/04/11 06:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	One thing you have to remember here is.Lonnie is a die hard racer he put 400-maybe 500 pass's a year on his car. I do close to 300 and most of you here only do 150-200..so when you say it lives for you.. it might not for him.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: VernMotor] #1025412 07/04/11 06:15 PM 07/04/11 06:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,991 Anoka County, MN L Leigh master
Leigh master L Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,991 Anoka County, MN	At an average of 10 rounds per ladder, (2 time runs, + 8 rounds) that's 50 events? Divide that by 2 day events, and thats 25. That beats my best of 15. Let's see, 25 events times an average event fixed expense of $500.....

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Leigh] #1025413 07/04/11 06:39 PM 07/04/11 06:39 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	well here in Ohio we have 15 tracks.. really not sure of how many? but I got 5 with in 1.5 hr. You can race Fri-sat-sun. most tracks around here do 3 times runs and takes 7-8 rd to win. but we do all the mopars races and they are 3 day races with 2-3 times runs and 7-8 rds to win a day..you can rack up some runs real quick..and we have wed-Thu test and tune at most tracks also. entry fees 40-60 bucks .plus fuel per race..so 300 bucks you can put 25-30 runs a weekend on your car

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Leigh] #1025414 07/04/11 06:46 PM 07/04/11 06:46 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,426 weymouth,mass. M meepmeep70 master
meepmeep70 master M Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,426 weymouth,mass.	absolutley no help,but might make you feel better,not racing but finished restoring an awesome 70 runner 440 4bbl,200 miles thought i need a six pak,spent over 3gs,all new,problem after problem learning how to tune and set-up,nobody around to help/show/teach,whatever ain't driven it since,extremly disgusted with my inability to get it running/driving again.closed the garage door again today,when it just died.wife and sons want to go to another car show,i just giv'em directions.i'll never get to new england dragway this year,let alone out my freak'in garage door.sorry for your problem,feel for ya,believe me.PLEASE don't drift from op problem

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: VernMotor] #1025415 07/04/11 06:52 PM 07/04/11 06:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,662 in a cattle trailer down by th... G Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,662 in a cattle trailer down by th...	Quote: One thing you have to remember here is.Lonnie is a die hard racer he put 400-maybe 500 pass's a year on his car. I do close to 300 and most of you here only do 150-200..so when you say it lives for you.. it might not for him. I put about 250 passes a year on my car, multiply that by 10 years and I still have more passes on my near stock stuff in what was for most of the time a heavier car at 3000 and recently in a car that weighs the same at 2600. I don't get it, there is something else wrong, that trans should live. "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: Guitar Jones] #1025416 07/04/11 07:06 PM 07/04/11 07:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	OO don't get me wrong ..I am not say that a 904 won't live in his car..I just saying everyone need to realize what he put his car though. the 904 live before..

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: VernMotor] #1025417 07/04/11 07:47 PM 07/04/11 07:47 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 513 HOUSTON,TEXAS F FIREGUY12 mopar
FIREGUY12 mopar F Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 513 HOUSTON,TEXAS	Well I can attest chased a problem with one of the high dollar 904 $6500 in our super stocker over 1 1/2 before we found the problem. There are not any new cases we build these things out of. The cases are 30 plus years old. After rebuilding it several times we found ours had an internal leak that would only malfunction once the tranny was hot. My personal opinion would be go to a glide and never look back.

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: FIREGUY12] #1025418 07/04/11 07:56 PM 07/04/11 07:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,474 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,474 Florida STAYcation	Quote: we found ours had an internal leak that would only malfunction once the tranny was hot. HOW did you chase that down ?

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: FIREGUY12] #1025419 07/04/11 08:18 PM 07/04/11 08:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 526 NC B barracuda man mopar
barracuda man mopar B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 526 NC	Quote: Well I can attest chased a problem with one of the high dollar 904 $6500 in our super stocker over 1 1/2 before we found the problem. There are not any new cases we build these things out of. The cases are 30 plus years old. After rebuilding it several times we found ours had an internal leak that would only malfunction once the tranny was hot. My personal opinion would be go to a glide and never look back. After laying under the car 3 times in 3 mounths the 904 had to go.The power glide has been in 2 years with no trouble at all.Its more consistent in the ets also. 6713931-PB060179.JPG (44 downloads)

Re: I've had it. My car is killing me (904) drama [Re: VernMotor] #1025420 07/04/11 08:26 PM 07/04/11 08:26 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West 4 408strokerdart master
408strokerdart master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Quote: well here in Ohio we have 15 tracks.. really not sure of how many? but I got 5 with in 1.5 hr. You can race Fri-sat-sun. most tracks around here do 3 times runs and takes 7-8 rd to win. but we do all the mopars races and they are 3 day races with 2-3 times runs and 7-8 rds to win a day..you can rack up some runs real quick..and we have wed-Thu test and tune at most tracks also. entry fees 40-60 bucks .plus fuel per race..so 300 bucks you can put 25-30 runs a weekend on your car He is also entering multiple classes per day. Three classes on Saturday Mopar events (10.0, Pro & Super Pro), two classes on Sunday (Pro & Super Pro) = alot of passes with elevated trans temps. To answer your question Lonnie, I have my old 727 race converter here that you are welcome to use. Been trying to sell it for months with no success, it is fresh and was working perfectly. Might be a little more stall than you need though. Was going 5900 behind mine. Let me know, would like to sell it but not going to give it away to anyone else.

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