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Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1017261
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Well ive tried not to but since you BB guys cant agree one one thing while your trying to figure out how to make a tiny 3.75 stroke 440 motor work in the 11-s 12-s us 4 inch plus small block stroker guys are in the 9s-10s all day running less bobweight, less head flow and more rpm.

So when you get it figured out let us small block guys know...im easily found in Denver if anyone needs schooled, by an F-body none the less.

Looks like only the green six pack charger is doing well

As far as the weight issues, some f-body cars weigh 3800, some 3200 Just because some like the fat chicks of the mopar world, dont pawn them off on others.




fat chicks are fun.


BBW's need lovin' too, ya know!!






but....drop a stroked BB in an a-body and they run 8's and 9's. You aren't talking same $ for $ son.









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Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1017262
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Yep $ for $ its the BB, Im just a bit. Ive alot in my 2 stage six pack spray motor, and overall alot in all my small strokers, could have a hell of a BB stroker for equal money and dont think its not been tempting.

But honestly it would have to be a BB stroker, but on a budget or lookng back on the late 70-s early 80s, you were Bob G. if you could pop 11s or 12s in a bias tired 440 car.

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The easiest and cheapest route to 500hp will be the 440 hands down.
But as far as a 440 ALWAYS outrunning a 383? No way. 383's can be had cheap which is appealing to poor people like me.

To many variables. Vehicle weight,gears, and the most important part to factor in is the overall engine combination. A well thought out 383 is very capable of taking down a 440 that's using a crappy selection of parts. I like both but I have a soft spot for the 383. A 383 with Indy heads can be down right nasty fast. Some disadvantages include lower torque and more expensive pistons. Block strength? 383 or 400 for the win hands down...

For a lighter vehicle, I'd have no problem with using a 383 at all.
A nicely tinkered 383 in an a body is too much fun but for the amount of headache and expense to swap in, I'd just go with a small block. Sometimes I like to build a smaller engine just to see what I can get out of it


Some people are stuck in the past. Newsflash!! Performance parts have come a very long way since the '70's. I am a nostalgia buff and I will gladly admit that. There are great cams,intakes and anything else you can think of being made now. Take the 340 vs. 360 debate for example. Stock for stock, the 340 WAS a better performance engine. Today the 360 will get the job done cheaper and better (again combination and YMMV factored in!) . I hear so many older people talk about how crappy the 360 is. Whatever. Just like the 440, more cubes and more torque equals the old saying "cubic inches or cubic dollars".
Yes, it's only 20 extra cubes but it makes a difference in the end.

I mean with today's parts you can make a 318 haul booty. Build what you have and never be afraid of learning something new. There is nothing like knowledge to make power


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Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1017264
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Well ive tried not to but since you BB guys cant agree one one thing while your trying to figure out how to make a tiny 3.75 stroke 440 motor work in the 11-s 12-s us 4 inch plus small block stroker guys are in the 9s-10s all day running less bobweight, less head flow and more rpm.

Well you've ALREADY and it's starting to bubble!! 3.75 inch, tiny, by YOUR standards I guess. LEGENDARY MOTORS were built utilizing this stroke length, so now that 4 inch
strokes are the rage, are we supposed to be in awe, now? I don't think so. Stroker motors are a blessing, since they produce "full race type" power at below 6500 rpm, instead of 7 to 8000 rpms. BIG PLUS, they are EXTREMELY streetable (unless you are running class). Stroker small blocks DO make a great deal of power, just as stroker big blocks do, BUT given an EQUAL, LIGHTWEIGHT chassis, the comparison could be VERY close IF both motors are nearly close in power output, not neccesarily in engine size. One motor could have a large bore, moderate stroke and have a similar output as a moderate bore, longer stroke
combo. It would be the rpms of peak torque and hp that would tell the tale of winning on the street vs. winning on the track.



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Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: DusterKrazy] #1017265
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The easiest and cheapest route to 500hp will be the 440 hands down.
But as far as a 440 ALWAYS outrunning a 383? No way. 383's can be had cheap which is appealing to poor people like me.

To many variables. Vehicle weight,gears, and the most important part to factor in is the overall engine combination. A well thought out 383 is very capable of taking down a 440 that's using a crappy selection of parts. I like both but I have a soft spot for the 383. A 383 with Indy heads can be down right nasty fast. Some disadvantages include lower torque and more expensive pistons. Block strength? 383 or 400 for the win hands down...

For a lighter vehicle, I'd have no problem with using a 383 at all.
A nicely tinkered 383 in an a body is too much fun but for the amount of headache and expense to swap in, I'd just go with a small block. Sometimes I like to build a smaller engine just to see what I can get out of it


Some people are stuck in the past. Newsflash!! Performance parts have come a very long way since the '70's. I am a nostalgia buff and I will gladly admit that. There are great cams,intakes and anything else you can think of being made now. Take the 340 vs. 360 debate for example. Stock for stock, the 340 WAS a better performance engine. Today the 360 will get the job done cheaper and better (again combination and YMMV factored in!) . I hear so many older people talk about how crappy the 360 is. Whatever. Just like the 440, more cubes and more torque equals the old saying "cubic inches or cubic dollars".
Yes, it's only 20 extra cubes but it makes a difference in the end.

I mean with today's parts you can make a 318 haul booty. Build what you have and never be afraid of learning something new. There is nothing like knowledge to make power




100% with ya!!



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Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1017266
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Some small block strokers are very close to being squared, some consider a very good thing for a dual purpose car.

Im working on a 3.97x4.00 small block now,my 410 at 4.04x4.00. ect..

I dont know how that compares to the BB strokers but with some of the results of even the source kits, which seem priced decent are doing good things and crazy tq numbers.

Sorry to go off track a bit, most my BB cars were long long ago. But id do one if I could pop for a proper bb tranny.

Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: DusterKrazy] #1017267
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The easiest and cheapest route to 500hp will be the 440 hands down.
But as far as a 440 ALWAYS outrunning a 383? No way. 383's can be had cheap which is appealing to poor people like me.

To many variables. Vehicle weight,gears, and the most important part to factor in is the overall engine combination. A well thought out 383 is very capable of taking down a 440 that's using a crappy selection of parts. I like both but I have a soft spot for the 383. A 383 with Indy heads can be down right nasty fast. Some disadvantages include lower torque and more expensive pistons. Block strength? 383 or 400 for the win hands down...

For a lighter vehicle, I'd have no problem with using a 383 at all.
A nicely tinkered 383 in an a body is too much fun but for the amount of headache and expense to swap in, I'd just go with a small block. Sometimes I like to build a smaller engine just to see what I can get out of it


Some people are stuck in the past. Newsflash!! Performance parts have come a very long way since the '70's. I am a nostalgia buff and I will gladly admit that. There are great cams,intakes and anything else you can think of being made now. Take the 340 vs. 360 debate for example. Stock for stock, the 340 WAS a better performance engine. Today the 360 will get the job done cheaper and better (again combination and YMMV factored in!) . I hear so many older people talk about how crappy the 360 is. Whatever. Just like the 440, more cubes and more torque equals the old saying "cubic inches or cubic dollars".
Yes, it's only 20 extra cubes but it makes a difference in the end.

I mean with today's parts you can make a 318 haul booty. Build what you have and never be afraid of learning something new. There is nothing like knowledge to make power




Exactly!!



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Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1017268
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Just took out another 440 on saturday in the final. 11.78 at 114~ 115.
Getting there quick is fun, but flat-out-powering a guy at the stripe is funner.

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Just took out another 440 on saturday in the final. 11.78 at 114~ 115.
Getting there quick is fun, but flat-out-powering a guy at the stripe is funner.





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Just took out another 440 on saturday in the final. 11.78 at 114~ 115.
Getting there quick is fun, but flat-out-powering a guy at the stripe is funner.








Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: RemCharger] #1017271
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Just took out another 440 on saturday in the final. 11.78 at 114~ 115.
Getting there quick is fun, but flat-out-powering a guy at the stripe is funner.




Good for you! I saw a VW beetle outrun a 383 Charger a couple of weekends back at the strip in Ashcroft.....not sure what that proves about the superiority of VW beetles, though.

Dave


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Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: DPelletier] #1017272
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Just took out another 440 on saturday in the final. 11.78 at 114~ 115.
Getting there quick is fun, but flat-out-powering a guy at the stripe is funner.




Good for you! I saw a VW beetle outrun a 383 Charger a couple of weekends back at the strip in Ashcroft.....not sure what that proves about the superiority of VW beetles, though.

Dave




Wait.. didn't the 440 guys bring up the superiority issues!! 383's ARE capable, NEVER underestimate them!!

Must of gotten a MINDSET from watching "Herbie - Fully Loaded"..or..someone did some SERIOUS tricks
on that Porsche..OOPS, I mean.. VW flat four!


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Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: CUDA8U] #1017273
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WHICH IS BETTER TO BUILD FOR A STREETABLE APPLICATION ON PUMP GAS BUT CAN STILL TEAR UP THE STREETS?
I'M HOPING TO BE AROUND 500HP ON PUMP GAS.

COULD YOU GIVE REASONS FOR YOUR CHOICE PLS.




if you can get or have either block and its not outrageously more than the other do the 440 its always gonna have more HP with the same build thrown at it as the 383 and the parts will cost the same as will the machine work or what ever...Only time I do the 383 is when im trying to feel/be nostalgic or its #'s matching or I just wanted to be "correct" like say in a 68/69 RoadRunner rebuild id probably use a 383(or do a 440 six pack)...othe than doing something like that or a 383 or 400 stroker do the 440 if you have the block.





Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: CUDA8U] #1017274
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Heavy car? Go with the 440. My combo in my pickup is a 440 bored .030". KB hyper flat top pistons that come out about .007-.009". TQ 50 Erson cam (was given to me) Hand ported 452 casting heads that flowed approximately 275 cfm @ .550" on the intake, can't remember exhaust. Torker II intake, 1.6 rockers, stock crank and rods and it made 485 hp and 506 tq. I've weighed both 400 and 440 blocks and haven't come up with more than maybe 20 lbs difference, so the weight argument doesn't really hold water in my opinion. Now if you're going to stroke it, go 383 and 4.25 crank and tell everyone it's a 383. Torque makes it "feel" fast and it'll spin tires a lot and make everyone think you're awesome. JMO.

Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: dodgeboy11] #1017275
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hypothetical example...two core motors 1) 383 and 2) a 440 both have steel crank.

to do a budget rebuild (reuse block, crank, rods, heads)...assume new rings, brearings, came, intake.....I imagine the cost would be the same/similar as labor is a constant

to do a hi-po rebuild, new crank, rods, pistons, etc...again, i imagine the cost would have to be the same or similar.


that being said, why wouldnt you want to start with bigger motor to begin with?

regardless...just make sure you build a hemi 440...thats always the best way to go

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Just took out another 440 on saturday in the final. 11.78 at 114~ 115.
Getting there quick is fun, but flat-out-powering a guy at the stripe is funner.




Good for you! I saw a VW beetle outrun a 383 Charger a couple of weekends back at the strip in Ashcroft.....not sure what that proves about the superiority of VW beetles, though.

Dave


That they can easily beat 440 cudas?



and six pak super beez...

Re: 383 VS 440 [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1017277
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383's ARE capable, NEVER underestimate them!!






Exactly! ANYTHING can be made fast....of course this observation has little to do with the discussion at hand, but what else is new!

Dave


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hypothetical example...two core motors 1) 383 and 2) a 440 both have steel crank.

to do a budget rebuild (reuse block, crank, rods, heads)...assume new rings, brearings, came, intake.....I imagine the cost would be the same/similar as labor is a constant

to do a hi-po rebuild, new crank, rods, pistons, etc...again, i imagine the cost would have to be the same or similar.


that being said, why wouldnt you want to start with bigger motor to begin with?






You're wasting your breath spouting logic to the illogical.


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hypothetical example...two core motors 1) 383 and 2) a 440 both have steel crank.

to do a budget rebuild (reuse block, crank, rods, heads)...assume new rings, brearings, came, intake.....I imagine the cost would be the same/similar as labor is a constant

to do a hi-po rebuild, new crank, rods, pistons, etc...again, i imagine the cost would have to be the same or similar.


that being said, why wouldnt you want to start with bigger motor to begin with?






You're wasting your breath spouting logic to the illogical.


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the ILLOGICAL!! Being cheap HAS it's limitations.


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383's ARE capable, NEVER underestimate them!!






Exactly! ANYTHING can be made fast....of course this observation has little to do with the discussion at hand, but what else is new!

Dave





ANYTHING can be made fast....and this observation has nothing to do with the discussion? WOW, you really are biased on engine displacement, and not on potential!!



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