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Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system #1011214
06/11/11 07:42 PM
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I decided to go with a Mazierre electric water pump when I put the new engine in my Duster. The block has been filled. I filled the radiator Thursday morning and fired the car up. The water flowed very quickly thru the radiator.

Today I fired it up and set the timing. I took a look and my temp guage was up to 150. It is about 99* today but I knew there was a problem. I removed the radiator cap and sure enough, no flow in the radiator. I can hear the pump running.

I drained the radiator and refilled the motor thru the upper radiator hose. Started the pump and no flow again. Then after about 15 seconds I heard a burp sound and there was a gush of water. It stopped again but 10 seconds later there was another burp and a gush of water. It did this 5 times and then no more water flow.

I let it cool for a few minutes and tried it again. This time no flow. I squeezed the top radiator hose closed for about 10 seconds and there was a gush of water and a little flow. I noticed some bubbles in the water. After doing this about ten times I noticed that after the gush of water there would be a little flow then there would be another gush about 10 seconds later. I repeated this process for about 10 minutes with the same results.

Am I correct in assuming that I have an air pocket somewhere? If so, how do I get it out.

Thanks,

Raul

Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: Aspen7695] #1011215
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i have the Mezzaire reverse flow & it always misbehaves like this after i've drained the radiator. i found raising the back of the car is enough to get the pump to pick up & start the flow. i do a few 30 sec stops & restats to make sure all the bubbles get picked up & moved on. once it's done it's good to go for the rest of the season.

Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: rebel] #1011216
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Lossen top bolts with pump on, let the air out until all you see is water, tighten back up. I have to do it all the time when I drain the water out.

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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: HR5058] #1011217
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This is what I did to fix mine years ago..

Notice reservoir tank.


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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #1011218
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Get a radiator pressure tester,pressurize it at 20-25 lbs for 24 hours. That is about the best way I have found to get all the air out. If you don't have one you can get one from Autozone on their loan a tool program.


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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: MRMOPAR622] #1011219
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I have a Meziere, any time I drain the system I just refill it with this tool and I'm on my way.

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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: MRMOPAR622] #1011220
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My Mezzaire will do this too. I just remove the top left side small allen head bolt from the pump that holds it to the pump housing, it bleeds out and then it picks up the water.


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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: Guitar Jones] #1011221
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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: HEMIFRED] #1011222
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Or you can fill with water. Turn pump on take air hose and GENTLY blow through the overflow hose while holding your hand where the cap goes.

Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: rebel] #1011223
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Quote:

i have the Mezzaire reverse flow & it always misbehaves like this after i've drained the radiator. i found raising the back of the car is enough to get the pump to pick up & start the flow. i do a few 30 sec stops & restats to make sure all the bubbles get picked up & moved on. once it's done it's good to go for the rest of the season.




This works for me too




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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: chryco] #1011224
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Thanks for the suggestions. I broke the upper left bolt that holds the motor to the housing loose and ran the punp. It took a few minutes, but finally all the air bled out. I was going to jack up the rear of the car but space is tight and I took the easy way out.

Thanks again.

Raul

Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: Aspen7695] #1011225
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The last time I had to re-fill my radiator it got an air pocket
I tried everything ( I was late heading out for a race) Then my wife ask me to try jacking up the back of my car to see if it would come out, I told her I would try anything but I didnot tink it would work. Guess what, She was right

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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: SB412DUSTER] #1011226
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Well,I replied too soon. I went out and fired the car up an hour ago and the same thing,no water flow. I jacked the rear end up as high as I could and let the pump run for two minutes. Lowered it back down and let it sit. I just tried it again and no flow.

Everytime I shut the pump off I hear a burping sound like water is filling up a void. I guess I'll start bleeding it again in hopes that it will eventually work.


Raul

Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: Aspen7695] #1011227
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did you check the rotation of the pump blades ?you might hear spinning backwards .or your pos neg is reversed also seen that happen .
I would think air trys to raise why would the back of car HELP jack up front .
let us alll know i've run a miesiere for 11 years sent in winter to freshen up .
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I would think Fred's idea of tapping in a bleeder screw at the highest point would work. That's what several o.e.m's do.

Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: Aspen7695] #1011229
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Well,I replied too soon. I went out and fired the car up an hour ago and the same thing,no water flow. I jacked the rear end up as high as I could and let the pump run for two minutes. Lowered it back down and let it sit. I just tried it again and no flow.

Everytime I shut the pump off I hear a burping sound like water is filling up a void. I guess I'll start bleeding it again in hopes that it will eventually work.


Raul




Is your fill point lower than the intake? If so you may need a remote fill point like on the intake. Lots of OEM's have the radiator lower than the highest part of the engine so they use a remote fill and a bleeder on the engine.


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Re: Help me get an air pocket out of cooling system [Re: Guitar Jones] #1011230
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I fill the system thru the stock radiator which is above the intake manifold.

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