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I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe #1000255 05/26/11 03:41 PM 05/26/11 03:41 PM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska 7 73rrak OP enthusiast
73rrak OP enthusiast 7 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska	I need a decent inexpensive engine recipe For a 73 Roadrunner 3:55 rear gear 2000 stall I have a 77 MH block a cast crank 75 HP block and a 67 block. I also have 452 906 and 516 heads. I would like to make 400 hp at the rear wheels.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: 73rrak] #1000256 05/26/11 03:44 PM 05/26/11 03:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora A ademon master
ademon master A Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora	I would hope the 67 440 has 915 heads, if they do thats what i would use hands down, just open the exh valve to the 1.74 size.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: ademon] #1000257 05/26/11 03:53 PM 05/26/11 03:53 PM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska 7 73rrak OP enthusiast
73rrak OP enthusiast 7 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska	Sorry I forgot about those heads It does have the 915 heads. The 452" I have have already been checked and surfaced so I would prefer to use those.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: 73rrak] #1000258 05/26/11 04:53 PM 05/26/11 04:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,665 Milwaukee, WI Prince_Valiant top fuel
Prince_Valiant top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,665 Milwaukee, WI	disregard...400hp at the rear wheels...it'll take more than I originally offered 1979 Dodge Lil' Red Express - 360 rwhp, 13.2 @ 103mph 1968 Coronet: 318, 2.76, 15.2 @ 92mph! (SOLD) 1976 Valiant: 360, 3.90, 12.90 @ 106 (SOLD) 1989 Shelby CSX #500/500

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: Prince_Valiant] #1000259 05/26/11 05:01 PM 05/26/11 05:01 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Concentrate on the shortblock and the oiling system. Get some good pistons with a decent CD.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: dOrk !] #1000260 05/26/11 05:43 PM 05/26/11 05:43 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma V Von master
Von master V Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma	73rrak, Send me a PM. I can send you a couple good recipes with ET/MPH to back them up. 72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72. Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: 73rrak] #1000261 05/26/11 06:03 PM 05/26/11 06:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,012 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,012 U.S.S.A.	Define inexpensive .

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: JohnRR] #1000262 05/26/11 06:10 PM 05/26/11 06:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,819 Middle of A Field O OrangeProwler top fuel
OrangeProwler top fuel O Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,819 Middle of A Field	Quote: Define inexpensive . I think the question we're all wanting to know is how $$$ do you have to spend? I agree if wanting to make 400 rwhp I would use the 67 block. That engine will have more compression than a mid 70s MH engine right off the start plus if has the 516 heads they should offer more cc over the open chamber 452 castings.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: OrangeProwler] #1000263 05/26/11 06:40 PM 05/26/11 06:40 PM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska 7 73rrak OP enthusiast
73rrak OP enthusiast 7 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska	I would like to spend less that $2500 if possible. I'm not too worried about factory compression I'll be buying new pistons anyway I'm sure The block will need bored . The thin motor mount ears on the 67 block concern me (What does it take to break them ?)The 67 motor with the forged crank is probably my best choice other than the ear thing. What rods will the 67 motor have ( good ones or bad ones? )will the motor home rods be better?

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: 73rrak] #1000264 05/26/11 06:45 PM 05/26/11 06:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,012 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,012 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I would like to spend less that $2500 if possible. I'm not too worried about factory compression I'll be buying new pistons anyway I'm sure The block will need bored . The thin motor mount ears on the 67 block concern me (What does it take to break them ?)The 67 motor with the forged crank is probably my best choice other than the ear thing. What rods will the 67 motor have ( good ones or bad ones? )will the motor home rods be better? With this in mind use one of the later blocks , though the concerns you have about the 67 block are not really that big a deal and they awill all more than likely have LY rods which are not bad for your HP level wanted. I would use the closed chamber heads though if they are 915's, but given your location I think you might be hard pressed to do it for that budget with new pistons and boring it.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: JohnRR] #1000265 05/26/11 07:38 PM 05/26/11 07:38 PM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska 7 73rrak OP enthusiast
73rrak OP enthusiast 7 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska	The machine work will be done in Idaho I'll be dropping everything off at my uncles house when I drive through and pick it up the next time I drive through. It would cost me at least 10 times my goal price to have it done here the prices are higher and it would have to be done 5 times before it got done Correctly.... hahhahahh

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: 73rrak] #1000266 05/26/11 09:33 PM 05/26/11 09:33 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 176 Rome, GA G GTXX member
GTXX member G Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 176 Rome, GA	Sealed Power 6 Pack pistons, Mopar performance 292/.509 cam, Holley Street Dominator intake, 800-850 double pumper, 906 or 452 heads at least bowl ported with 2.14/1.81 valves. Tried and true recipe and as cheap as it gets

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: GTXX] #1000267 05/26/11 10:49 PM 05/26/11 10:49 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,041 michigan woods imfixinmopars426 master
imfixinmopars426 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,041 michigan woods	440+6 pistons,.484 cam,perf rpm intake,750 v/s carb,home ported 906's,headers,11.95-12.05 et in street-3500#=cheap fun!

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: imfixinmopars426] #1000268 05/27/11 12:16 AM 05/27/11 12:16 AM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,377 Tennessee WyleECoyote pro stock
WyleECoyote pro stock Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,377 Tennessee	1971 or 1972 Factory Stock Recipe. Period. They run great on regular gas and they have power! My 69,000 all original 71 383 Superbee runs like a bat out of (meatloaf)! Smokes the tires with ease. All stock drive train. I have an 88,000 mile 440 from a 72 Imperial in my 84 crew cab dually with a cap and it smokes the tires with ease and runs great with its 4:10's and auto. Mother Mopar already figured it all out if you want your ride to be low maintenance and fun. All the money you pour into making it "fast" for the street is mostly realized when your fast car is beaten by the next guy. Its about having a nice ride with some power for fun - not about having the fastest. My says build something affordable that you can enjoy. Cheers! Wile E. Coyote Super Genius, Lover of FCA US LLC Products ************* 68 Road Runner (440 4-spd), 71 Superbee (383 slap), 71 Charger 500 (383 4-spd wA/C 1of 182), 72 Imperial, 74 Charger SE (440 sunroof), 84 D350 Crew-cab Dually (440), 75 D300 Dually Tandem (318 4-speed)

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: WyleECoyote] #1000269 05/27/11 01:19 AM 05/27/11 01:19 AM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska 7 73rrak OP enthusiast
73rrak OP enthusiast 7 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 340 Alaska	This is what the machine shop thinks will work for me. Tell me what you think. 77 MH block (I already have it) forged crank out of the 67 motor forged pistons installed backwards to fit in the head pocket 9.7:1 compression 452 heads with heavier springs Comp Cams XE285HL 21-228-4 http://www.compperformancegroupstores.co...WDGCAMhydFTxeHL Torker 440 intake ( I already have it) 800 Holley DP carb ( I already have it) and MSD 6AL Malory dist (that I already have)

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: 73rrak] #1000270 05/27/11 04:30 AM 05/27/11 04:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 857 The Dalles, OR. D Dusted_Ya super stock
Dusted_Ya super stock D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 857 The Dalles, OR.	Speedpro 2355 pistons on the 67's forged crank and the motorhome rods (probably stressed less) in your motorhome block .You'll need to rebalance your rotating assy. Your 452 heads and thin gaskets should give you about 9:1 CR for best use with pump gas (915's were prone to cracking and aren't designed for unleaded). Stock intake with a thermoquad (best). factory BB intakes actually flow quite well for 400hp so spend you money elsewhere. .060 wall chromemoly pushrods, HD Mopar performance stamped rockers, Lunati Voodoo 60301 cam kit with stock motorhome valve springs with rotators removed or 60302 cam kit with their springs. Good 3 bolt timing set. Valve guides cut for teflon seals. I wouldn't use the torker intake and that comp cam for your heavy car cause it would be a dog below 2500 RPM ,cruising would suck.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: 73rrak] #1000271 05/27/11 09:18 AM 05/27/11 09:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,012 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,012 U.S.S.A.	Quote: This is what the machine shop thinks will work for me. Tell me what you think. forged pistons installed backwards to fit in the head pocket Huh ?? The torker is the wrong intake choice , a dual plane is the better choice , sell or trade the torker for something suited for this build. Last edited by JohnRR; 05/27/11 02:07 PM.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: JohnRR] #1000272 05/27/11 09:52 AM 05/27/11 09:52 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	Quote: Quote: This is what the machine shop thinks will work for me. Tell me what you think. forged pistons installed backwards to fit in the head pocket Huh ?? The torker is the wrong intake choice , dual plane or a Holley street Dominator if you must have a single plane. . , Another good choice would be an M1 single. 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: 73rrak] #1000273 05/27/11 10:03 AM 05/27/11 10:03 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: I would like to spend less that $2500 NAPA, AutoZone, Advance, et al, rebuilt. $1,600 with core... Yous pays yer monies and takes yer choices.

Re: I need a Decent inexpensive 440 recipe [Re: Commando1] #1000274 05/27/11 11:32 AM 05/27/11 11:32 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora A ademon master
ademon master A Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora	(915's were prone to cracking and aren't designed for unleaded) The 915 is by far the best BB head, by far!! and once you grind on the so called "unleaded heads" they are the same as any other head, you would need to use hardened seat inserts if you plan on driving a ton of miles, most weekend cruisers don't need the hardened seats.

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