There's that 80,000 number again. Every time I see the latest number of Corona fatalities, I want to re-post this response from Illinois' Director of Public Health saying directly that anyone and everyone that tests positive for the virus at the time of death is counted as a Coronavirus death regardless of the actual cause of death. Couple that with the fact that no one knows how many folks actually have the virus and the only logical conclusion you can draw is that the charts and predictions based on those numbers are meaningless. Absolutely meaningless. And that is borne out by the fact that basically all of the casualty predictions on this have been totally wrong.
But one thing is for sure, there are fewer deaths from the virus than are reported (at least in Illinois which has the 6th largest number) and there is very likely many more people infected than are being estimated. Think for a minute of the ramifications that has on the decisions being made.
More and more experts are saying that the virus is contagious enough and has spread widely enough that basically everyone will be exposed to it at sooner or later. There really is not much way at this point to prevent that. The only thing now that can save the people that are most vulnerable to this virus is an effective vaccine or treatment because we simply cannot quarantine forever.
Which means I'll repost this as well
Even if we counted every single death as being incorrectly from Covid, we have a whole bunch more deaths than we normally see this time of year.
I agree that some areas are overcounting deaths. In other places we're undercounting them. As these charts show however, we're still seeing a lot more people die than we would expect.
The Fire Department of New York received nearly 200 additional calls per day for deaths at home in early April, according to a Gothamist report. This increase prompted New York City to begin tracking probable COVID-19 deaths last week, when officials added more than 3,700 deaths in a day to the overall fatality count, The New York Times reported.
Are they faking the extra amount of calls they got for dead people at home? Is there a reason that would spike?
Oh, where to start?
Your first link says NOTHING about the United States in general. It's primary focus and almost all of it's information is about Europe. They threw in New York City, but that is all there is from the U.S.
Your second one talks about the disparities in reporting Covid deaths. But still says that 'It is important to document the probable cases'. Probable, not verified. So, once again, err on the high side.
And your two sources are not exactly main stream. I'll bet most on here, like myself, have never heard of them till now.
As to the additional deaths at home, it has already been touched on in this thread that emergency services in the hardest hit cities have had a hard time getting to all the calls in a timely manner. In no small part due to the overreaction of anyone with a cough calling 911. There are also reports that some people are hesitant to go to the hospital due to fears of being exposed to the virus. So, more deaths at home could very well be as much because of the hype and hyperbole as to the virus itself.
And here is a good example where politicians step in and mandate a policy that actually kills people. Was that Cuomo's intention? Of course not. But his mandate directly lead to additional Covid deaths. And now, it is being reported that those numbers were actually not fully counted.
There are places that might need to be locked-down. But not nearly as much of America as has been. And maybe even worse, we are seeing more and more politicians openly lie to us about the numbers to cover their butts.
Most independent experts believe that the mortality rate for this virus has been between 1% and 1.3%. And that is using the often inflated number of deaths being blamed on the virus and the large number of those not known to be infected. Remember too, that the mortality rate is very age related. It has been widely reported that the majority of healthy adults are asymptomatic. Couple that with the fact that over 99% of the healthy adults that test positive for Corona will survive and you have a politically motivated over-reaction.
