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Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: Hutch] #2616364
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.024 cold would be something like.028-.030 hot in my experience. That is very loose in my opinion. Are you saying that you usually run it looser?

Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: Hutch] #2616460
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The design specs for the lash are 28/32.

I’m not saying there aren’t combos that wouldn’t respond to tighter settings, but tighter will have you opening the valves on the clearance ramps.

Looser lash settings really speed up the valves movement off the seat....... although it’s usually a little harder on parts.


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Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: fast68plymouth] #2616472
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The reason I asked was that if they were tightened to 24 cold what are they normally at? How much tighter was it to take 2 tenths out of the car? I've always had trouble at some point +.030 lash. Even with the old Mopar solids.

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Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: Hutch] #2616540
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You really wouldn’t have liked some of the old Cam Dynamic rollers with the recommended lash of .035.

Even the old stock Chevy Duntov cam was .030(That’s why it’s referred to as the 30-30 cam).


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Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: fast68plymouth] #2616546
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Referring to Dunnucks test........ I generally feel that engine builders who work with a lot of the same type of motors often have a good feel for what they like for camshafts.

This proved to be the case in that series of cam tests with the 421 stroker.
Dave Hughes had more experience with that type of build than whoever they got on the phone at the other cam suppliers.
I felt the Comp cams in particular that were tested were pretty far off from what I would have used.
Comp has some really nice lobes available, but what they’re offering for solid flat tappet drag race listings in the catalog leaves a lot to be desired.


Yeah I've learned this lesson the hard way several times over the years. Certain cylinder heads prefer certain lobes. Guys who work with the same engine combination over and over gradually acquire this knowledge. Guys sitting on the tech line at a cam company may or may not have any knowledge of the specific cylinder head being used.

If I call Comp Cams I'll get a cam recommendation that is very close in terms of duration but typically the lobe family won't be spot on.

The 590 is one of those old school cams that works great when it is paired up with the matching parts. I used one once a long time ago and it ran hard but we used it with some old school heads and intake.

Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: Hutch] #2616669
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I usually lash it to 26/30 cold which is 75 degrees at least. I don't get this motor over 160 degrees normally or it starts picking up numbers.


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Correction: The Duntov cam was the 097 cam which had right at 0.4" lift. He actually made the previous cam just a little bit smaller so it would rev better.

The 30-30 cam, while mistakenly called a Duntov, wasn't designed by Zora. it had something like 252 duration at 50 and had gross lift of 0.485 which turned into 0.455 after the lash was subtracted.

If you care to read about Chevy cams, this article lays it out nicely. https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/cam-valvetrain/duntov-small-block-camshaft/

I was deep into chevies back in the day and back then nobody called the 30-30 cam a Duntov anything. For many people's money, the Chevy cam to use in something less than a nearly race engine was the 3863151 cam, the 350 horse 327 hydraulic cam. Mine cost me $38 plus tax at Rydell Chevrolet in Grand Forks.

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Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: Hutch] #2617052
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Good read.

Interesting how they used a different core for each cam part number to minimize the grinding time.


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Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: fast68plymouth] #2617137
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I seem to remember one of the Mopar tech line guys telling me many years ago that Mopar had switch vendors, cam grinders on all their cams and the one I was calling on complaining about not having the advertised lift was due to the vendors not grinding them correctly. shock
He also said later that Mopar had two different specs. throughout the life of the "590" grind, LSA being different as well as on lobe lift runaway
Any one else seen or heard of this?
OP, I use to use a Isky grind, .616/.590 split duration cam for BB Mopars ground on a 104 LSA, that was similar to the original Mopar "590 grind.
that cam worked very well installed from straight, 104 ILC, up to being advanced to 99 BTDC on the ILC up


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Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: Hutch] #2617286
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Originally Posted By Hutch
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If you want to go faster, you could tighten the intake lash .010 and see if it likes it. Then try the exhaust. More compression will help as long as you don't have a big dome on the piston. I am geussing you have thrashed it enough to know what it wants for timing. If not back it down a couple first, and see if it helps.


Did try lashing it to. 024" once cold to be lazy as doing a hot lash makes a mess because these heads don't drain very well. Car lost 2 tenths. If anything it likes the lash a bit loose. Cam is currently retarded 4 degrees also. Tried it 2 degrees advanced, hates that too.


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a lot depends on the combo. He can try both loose and tight. My deal, a stroked 440, loved tight lash cause IT was way under cammed. If his motor is shifted at a higher rpm with a looser converter, it might love tight lash.

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Re: DC 590 camshaft comparison [Re: Hutch] #2617312
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My old $800.00 4 speed V code 440 had a crane solid 590 cam .030 over and 13.1 pistons and was a monster but didn't want to idle much under 1500. Can't remember the lash but that was 44 years ago.

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