Re: 904 frictions
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I'm thinking there is a thickness difference & I saved an article in the Jan 1999 "high performance mopar" magazine regarding using thinner frictions to use 6 clutches in a 5 clutch 3rd speed (their words) drum from a 75-79 360 eng. 10 second drag raced 904 based '66 valiant. I have one to do & I am going to Google it.
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Re: 904 frictions
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11/12/18 11:14 PM
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I use 5 thin ones from the rear in the front to get 5 disc instead of 4...
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Re: 904 frictions
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11/13/18 12:52 AM
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OEM the rears were more aggressive and smooth since it's not a shift element. Fronts are waffle or grooved for the fluid to escape on apply. Now you can get about any configuration. A good performance material or the blues. I use rears (.063) in both to get 5 in the front. You may have to juggle steels and maybe trim the pressure plate to dial in the clearance.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: 904 frictions
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what clearance(s) should a person shoot for (front/rear)?
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Re: 904 frictions
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11/13/18 07:38 AM
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The blues are 2 x the price of the Alto reds. Any benefit in using the blues over the alto's? Not that I've heard, at your power level a standard style friction material will hold up. Getting the clearance right is the important part I was always told.
Alan Jones
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Re: 904 frictions
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The blues are 2 x the price of the Alto reds. Any benefit in using the blues over the alto's? Not that I've heard, at your power level a standard style friction material will hold up. Getting the clearance right is the important part I was always told. Raises a good question. How much power can standard frictions take in a 904?
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Re: 904 frictions
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11/13/18 01:16 PM
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Doug thank you (& noted!)
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Re: 904 frictions
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11/13/18 02:32 PM
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The 1st Pro trans I ever serviced had the standard silver rear frictions run in the front location. 727 with 904 guts. Doug How long ago was that? That was an old trick before the blues, Altos, etc. were available, since the rear frictions were typically more aggressive. Any serious unit I've seen, (Stock/Super Stock, low line pressure, high horsepower) has had, or I used, blues, front and rear, along with Kolene steels. I keep the rear clutch clearance snug, maybe .025. Front, depending on trans brake or not, 010 to 012 per friction.
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Re: 904 frictions
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11/13/18 07:17 PM
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Front, depending on trans brake or not, 010 to 012 per friction. Is that .010-.012 with or without a trans brake?
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