Re: Rear End Strength
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Honest 550hp drag radials and a stick in a heavy car....? I like 8 3.4 rears for street cars. Not that combo though!!! Dana for sure IMO It should be around there, you can see my other engine threads to get an idea of where it'll be (although certain things, especially the cams I wanted, have been changed to bigger things, ~240@.050, trick flow 240>eddy rpm heads, etc.). I'm just wondering if the Moser 60 as is (or with MW billet caps) would be strong enough, or if there is anything else to strengthen it.
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Re: Rear End Strength
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way long ago in a land before time---SAE engineers rated the 8.75 good at 500 hp and the 9 inch at 450 hp----9 inch flaw-----the pinion is located at the bottom of the ring gear---that is the weakest position----it is strongest at the middle of the ring gear-------yes you can buy alot of stuff for a 9 inch because the aftermarket chased it-----like they chased the sbc.... I'm at work at the moment and don't have time to find a link to the info to back me up, but......(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)..... I have to disagree. The closer to center a pinion is, the more efficient it is. But that location creates less tooth contact area which can hurt load capacity. The low mounted pinions spread the load out over more teeth, making it more durable as far as the teeth are concerned, but at a loss of efficiency due to more friction (plus the added bearing in a Ford 9").
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Re: Rear End Strength
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Honest 550hp drag radials and a stick in a heavy car....? I like 8 3.4 rears for street cars. Not that combo though!!! Dana for sure IMO It should be around there, you can see my other engine threads to get an idea of where it'll be (although certain things, especially the cams I wanted, have been changed to bigger things, ~240@.050, trick flow 240>eddy rpm heads, etc.). I'm just wondering if the Moser 60 as is (or with MW billet caps) would be strong enough, or if there is anything else to strengthen it. Since the Moser 60 was a redesigned Dana 60, they may know how much stronger the housing is than a OEM Dana 60. As for reinforcing it, you can add Pro Gears, a housing cover "girdle", or whatever it's called, cryo and REM the ring & pinion using a steel billet yoke. I've also seen adjustable bars on a Dana 60 to minimize and flex. All of this would be helpful regardless of what rear end you use. You also have the 40 spline option & 5/8" studs..
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Re: Rear End Strength
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Honest 550hp drag radials and a stick in a heavy car....? I like 8 3.4 rears for street cars. Not that combo though!!! Dana for sure IMO It should be around there, you can see my other engine threads to get an idea of where it'll be (although certain things, especially the cams I wanted, have been changed to bigger things, ~240@.050, trick flow 240>eddy rpm heads, etc.). I'm just wondering if the Moser 60 as is (or with MW billet caps) would be strong enough, or if there is anything else to strengthen it. Since the Moser 60 was a redesigned Dana 60, they may know how much stronger the housing is than a OEM Dana 60. As for reinforcing it, you can add Pro Gears, a housing cover "girdle", or whatever it's called, cryo and REM the ring & pinion using a steel billet yoke. I've also seen adjustable bars on a Dana 60 to minimize and flex. All of this would be helpful regardless of what rear end you use. You also have the 40 spline option & 5/8" studs.. Well, so far I have decided on a girdle (but its aluminum, wouldn’t that be weaker than the housing material?), and a forged steel yoke. They dont offer a billet yoke, however it would definitely be in my options, as would cryo if they can. Also most likely keeping the 1/2” studs since 5/8” wouldn’t fit with my street wheels.
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Re: Rear End Strength
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I've put a LOT of mid 9 sec passes (800+ hp) at 3800 lbs and a few 8 sec passes (near 1100 hp) on my Moser 60 w/ zero problems. No fancy caps and a regular chrome cover. Normal street gears and nothing cryo treated. Just took it apart last weekend to change gears from 4.10 to 3.54 and the gearset looks perfect.
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Re: Rear End Strength
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The girdle is to help support the caps with preload from the integral bolts. Those covers are about 1/2" thick. I got a Moser 60 with a billet 1350 yoke utilizing u-bolts. Ask 'em. I had an OEM yoke spread a bit over the years on my Dart. It eventually pounded a cap out and I lost a driveshaft.
A Dana 60 will take a lot of abuse without getting too fancy. With the weight of a B-body and a stick, the extra options can offer some insurance, especially if it hooks. But I just like to be extra cautious.
Anything will break eventually, even with a milder combo. I had a W-2 360 auto Challenger footbraking as fast as 10.22 and 1.37 60' times in the '80's & '90's. Not a really big deal, but I literally put thousands of runs on an OEM Dana 60. This was almost all year, twice per week and sometimes 3 times here in Florida. Many track championships to show for it. I believe I broke at least one gear and one axle, but not more than two. The original gear was behind a 440/4-speed that the previous owner had. Ok thanks, is it a billet steel? Because from what ive read billet aluminum wouldnt be good on the street for some reason. (This will be my daily driver)
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Re: Rear End Strength
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I have to back up a bit.....The Moser part PY500 is forged steel and what I got with my Moser 60. Better than cast and OEM styles. I got it confused with the the billet 7260 yoke I have on my Dart 8 3/4. (Haven't put the Dana in yet.) 7290 billet yokeAluminum does amaze me with the high stress applications: i.e.: driveshafts, yokes, trailer hitches, etc. But I feel better with steel.
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Re: Rear End Strength
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I have to back up a bit.....The Moser part PY500 is forged steel and what I got with my Moser 60. Better than cast and OEM styles. I got it confused with the the billet 7260 yoke I have on my Dart 8 3/4. (Haven't put the Dana in yet.) 7290 billet yokeAluminum does amaze me with the high stress applications: i.e.: driveshafts, yokes, trailer hitches, etc. But I feel better with steel. Thats what I was thinking, because I wouldve definitely chosen billet steel if it was an option, but forged should be more than good enough correct?
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Re: Rear End Strength
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Almost forgot.....I don't know what you have for a driveshaft, but you don't want that to be your weakest link. An aftermarket unit would be much better than an OEM unit and I've had excellent results from Spicer solid u-joints in race applications. I don't know how well or long they will last with a lot of street driving & no way to add grease without disassembly. Otherwise, grease fittings in the cap may be preferable to ones with a fitting in the body between the caps. If using the fitting in the body, orient the u-joints so the torque will be applied towards the fitting as opposed to away from it - if that makes sense. Well, I do plan on a Denny's Driveshaft, either the steel or nitrous ready. Everything will have spicer 1350 u joints also. And I apologize for not checking my PM's awhile ago, I actually ended up finding a NOS center link that was never installed on any car.
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