Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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the RB block deck height is 3/4" higher on each side up/outward at 45 deg angle (give or take a few thousands) so the actual height increase would be less than that amount. & obviously that would be with the same heads/everything else the same (head gaskets etc). I think if you got the part in question (ports?) & measured their width across then you could Google some triangle math to get a dead on number. You might just be able to visualize it. EDIT If you drew a V with the "tips" of the V being the heights of the ports then drew a line across horizontle to connect em & did that math for the hypotenuse (horizontle line length) of that line then added 3/4 onto each "tip" then another horizontle line & calculate/measure it then subtract the first horizontle line from the 2nd one & likely that will the width increase.
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Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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The same answer 2 ways: 1. A^2 + B^2 = C^2, either A or B = (C^2/2)^.5 = .530" 2. H * COS 45 = .75 * .707 = .530"
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Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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Man you guys make stuff hard.
For 45°, you either multiply, or divide by the square root of 2, depending if you are starting with a leg, or hypotenuse.
The numbers are 1.414, or .707 (inverse of 1.414). And .707 is half of 1.414.
So for the rest of your life, the only number you need to remember when dealing with A 45-45-90° triangle is .707.
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Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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you guys are great ! and for some reason, i had roughly 3/4"[.750] in mind to move the pipes ! there is nothing on the passenger side remotely in the way, and as it sits now, the steering shaft clears every thing by a ton [1/2"+]. the starter is around 1/4", so i need to get some extra there [#5 pipe] just because of heat, and if a B block is used, i'll need to move #7 because of the shaft joint. i have tons of chassis clearance to go outward almost 1", so i'll move it as much as i can and that will be perfect for both blocks. thank you guys for the math lesson ! i had forgotten how to deal with triangles, and i don't have a "fourth grader" here to help me out. again, you guys ROCK ! THANK YOU !
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Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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So for the rest of your life
unless you're dealing with a V6 or V12 (.500)
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Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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should be easy since i have been accused of only being 1/2 [.500] there at times by many people! Man you guys make stuff hard. You guys are great. (1) it'll get worse (wait & see) (2) that's our job (3) yes we are, (25K die hard Moparters, that's a big brain trust)
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Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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BTW: the correct firing interval of a V12 is 60° (720° ÷ 12), but not all V12 use a 60 bank angle. Liberty engines were built with 45° and it didn't work. The Viper V10 is a 90° bank (inherited from the Magnum) with the firing interval corrected by offsetting the pins 18° to reach 72°. Some GM V6 are based on either the Buick small block V8 (215, 300, 340, 350) or the SBC V8 and use a 90° bank with (even fire) or without (odd fire) a 30° pin correction. Most modern V6 use a 60° bank and 60° pin offset.
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Re: width difference - B-RB ?
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A major reason for 60° bank angle choice today is FWD's space limitations: the cross-wise engine length is better than L4 by several inches* but the width radiator to firewall is less than a 90° (which would be shorter top to bottom).
Engine lengths (all plus accessory drive) V6: 3 × bore pitch + 1 rod width (roughly 1") L4: 4 × bore pitch V8: 4 × bore pitch + 1 rod width L5 (Volvo, Audi): 5 × bore pitch V10: 5 × bore pitch + 1 rod width L6: 6 × bore pitch V12: 6 × bore pitch + 1 rod width
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