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#2428411 - 01/03/18 03:20 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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There is a supercharger made for the JEEP 3.6litre V6, so that should fit any of the other 3.6 V6 vehicles ??? Be fun to have that extra power under the hood of my Journey GT . . .

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#2428420 - 01/03/18 03:40 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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It's a marketability thing. The V6 already has decent performance and most people who want more will hve no problem going for the Hemi. They could do something in between but it probably won't be a big seller and it's not ver likely to bring in any more sales it's going to eat away from what they already have.

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#2428437 - 01/03/18 04:33 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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I get the impression that you have not personally driven a Pentastar / 8-speed car? Those things are very impressive, would likely outrun all but a couple of the old small-block muscle cars. If all you are looking for is sound, try a 5.0 maybe?
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#2428492 - 01/03/18 06:21 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: Shoozy]
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Nope not looking for sound. Not everyone today is looking for a drag racing theme street car. Just more of a twisty road sporty car like a lot of old school Trans Am racing series style cars. What the heck does T/A stand for anyway?? Same for AAR. What about a car that would be more fun to drive to a road course Track Day, do a bunch of laps that you get to enjoy "handling" and not just in a straight line for 11 or 12 seconds? Did the original T/A come out with the intension of getting the big block drag and street racer........well no it was for Trans Am racing homologation and to sell cars to that segment. Tagging the current Hemi engine Challenger with the T/A moniker is silly IMO. Dodge should have built it closer to a current road racing class spec or to a spec that could become a road racing stock type class.

Here's my road cruising spec T/A Challenger:

Start with an AWD GT, add the wide body integrated wide wheel opening front fenders and rear quarters. Add the biggest Brembo discs at all four wheels. WIDE wheels at all four corners. Lower and improve the suspension to sport spec, lateral stiffeners, big sway bars. '70's style T/A-AAR carbon fiber hood or the Demon hood. Side exhaust ala original T/A. Trunk lid "duck tail" spoiler. Race type front bucket seats with five point seat belt option. Roll bar ready. V6 with supercharger or dual bank turbos or BOTH grin Pankl and Mahle light weight pistons, rods, and larger titanium valves, injectors. Adjustable performance shocks and Eibach springs. Close ratio 6-speed manual transmission. Non-reflective black performance hood treatment. Sporty, fun driver, and road course track day thriller.

Hey it colder than p00p here and boredom has set in early this year. Also I've had enough of the "drag race" theme current and past street cars for now. A lot of people parked there big block straight line cars then and now to "drive" a small block or even 4-cylinder sporty car and had a lot of fun. What the heck are you going to do with a Demon year round up North and few (as in back in the day) can really afford one and add in the limited use as a year round daily driver. An AWD wide body Challenger with a higher performance V6 is sounding pretty nice during this winter boredom to me at least. Back to dreaming.....I still have a bunch of old 4-cylinder pocket rockets with Eibach springs and lateral stiffeners and.......but they are not American or North American made, bummer or Bimmer wink

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#2428518 - 01/03/18 06:52 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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What about a young driver and a HEMI engine for insurance, does it matter?


Between a Hemi and a twin turbo V6 or supercharged V6? Not very likely that it would matter. Underwriters know that no one is buying a twin turbo or supercharged Challenger (or similar) vehicle for anything other than performance reasons.
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#2428528 - 01/03/18 07:13 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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Is a 5.7 Hemi (345 cubic inches) a big block or a small block? It seems to me that a 5.7 T/A is a small block? With the aluminum heads and composite intake manifold, I wonder how much it weighs compared to a 340?


Edited by RoadRunnerJD (01/03/18 07:25 PM)

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#2428535 - 01/03/18 07:24 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
Is a 5.7 Hemi (345 cubic inches) a big block or a small block? It seems to me that a 5.7 T/A is a small block?


I think its just a 3rd gen hemi, but the 5.7L is the closest thing you're going to get to a 340.

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#2428552 - 01/03/18 07:55 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: sp392]
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Originally Posted By sp392
Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
Is a 5.7 Hemi (345 cubic inches) a big block or a small block? It seems to me that a 5.7 T/A is a small block?


I think its just a 3rd gen hemi, but the 5.7L is the closest thing you're going to get to a 340.


I cant remember for sure but a friend of mine was doing a conversion on a challenger (for a new hemi) and I think the bell housing from a small block bolts up to it
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#2428557 - 01/03/18 08:01 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: HotRodDave]
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Originally Posted By HotRodDave
Originally Posted By Orange_Crush
Originally Posted By Neil
Challenger is big and heavy so it needs torque. Easy to get that with a larger & simpler engine.

V6 and 4 cyl engines just don't sound great compared to a V8.


I respectfully (but VERY strongly) disagree:

Sixes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2OlsCu1tfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_042hai0TSQ

Four

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3nND-x-X2E&t=140s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLrAgcCNgVc


I painfully watched those videos and heard nothing but honda accords with the mufflers rusted off and weedeaters

I have to agree on this one. They really don't sound good.
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#2428559 - 01/03/18 08:03 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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By the time you put forced induction onto a V6 you would make the same power as a Hemi, making one of them redundant.

No need to add another V8 and all the costs involved to add another engine in the same power output group.

As to the sound - IMO a V8 has a sound all it's own, and if that's what you like, well, nothing that you can do to a V6 will make you happy. Same as the Viper V10 - I've probably fitted about every style of exhaust to them made, and IMO they all sounded horrible.

IMO most exhausts for the modern Hemi cars just make them louder, not necessarily better. I like the loping idle that a "musclecar" camshaft provides, and the Hemi engines cams lack the overlap to get the sound I like. I know why the engines are cammed the way they are and respect the power they make, but IMO they just sound like a mild 70's V8.

IMO it doesn't get any better than a crisp high compression roller cammed small block.
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#2428595 - 01/03/18 08:37 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: Orange_Crush]
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Originally Posted By Orange_Crush


I respectfully (but VERY strongly) disagree:



I have had dozens of cars with engines ranging from diminutive 4 cylinders to 500+ CID big blocks.

My first Challenger with a 3.6 was a fine car, but was replaced with a Hemi.

Hands down the Hemi car sounds awesome. The 3.6 sounds like a Masi at high rpm but just didn't have that V8 magic.

The only 4 banger worth a lick that sounds great is a well tuned Turbo Dodge with the right exhaust.

Most other 4 bangers sound like weed-whackers.
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#2428606 - 01/03/18 08:58 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: gdonovan]
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Originally Posted By gdonovan
Originally Posted By Orange_Crush


I respectfully (but VERY strongly) disagree:



Most other 4 bangers sound like weed-whackers.



Agree, but my 2.0 liter overhead cam 4-banger with two 40 DCOE Weber side-draft carbs, open air cleaner, Stahl headers (yeah that Jeri Stahl header guy's tube headers), Ansa exhaust, surely doesn't sound like a weed-whacker........funny thing that weed-whacker sound is what I think the V10 Viper motor sometimes sounds like. But that V10 Viper motor kicked a friend of mine's butt at a Hellcat grug match at the end of last Summer. So who cares what a V8 truck motor sounds like, compared to the V10 it sounded slow and defeated. I hate my 440 GTX's sound at anything over lumpidy, lumpidy, idle, my 383 RR for some reason sounded better.

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#2428612 - 01/03/18 09:10 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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#2428660 - 01/03/18 10:34 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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So while it is not a "sports car" . . . all around driver for northern climates, etc . . . hands down my 06 Magnum R/T AWD . . . thing I like is that the AWD system is 68% power to rear and 32% to front - all the time !!! Great in winter, and great in summer for hauling around the corners. I have said it often, if I only could have ONE car, the maggy is it !!! . . . no comparison to the V6 version, and the mileage is still very decent . . . . .

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#2428738 - 01/04/18 02:08 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
I think you are in denial!šŸ˜


Yes John but don't tell anyone, too much fun, love a good spitting contest. smile smile


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#2428823 - 01/04/18 09:50 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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I think any V6 or 4cylinder with power adders will cost just as much or more than the "Hemis" including insurance. So it's not going to be an in-between type engine. There was a tremendous difference between the 340 and 383-440-426 engines. The new hemi is like the 383-440-426 now in small block form.

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#2428925 - 01/04/18 12:33 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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I really like the sound of my 2013 5.7 Charger R/T. With the stock exhaust, you can slightly hear the valve train and the exhaust has a good crisp back pressure sound. No modifications other than a cold air intake. It has run a best of 13.40 @ 103.75 on the original Goodyear Summer tires. That is as fast and really faster than most 426 Hemiā€™s and 440 cars with street tires back in the day. I know because I had them and ran against them on and off the street. It does sound like a big block at wide open throttle.

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#2428936 - 01/04/18 12:57 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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All this time and they still haven't put anything besides a lame ass automatic behind the V6.

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#2429012 - 01/04/18 03:28 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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A lame automatic that seems to be able whoop butt.

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