great Super Bee "EWJ", Dark Green metallic w/GREEN "C"-stripes & a broadcast sheet to prove it aren't Lynch Rd. fender tags wonderful?

I guess you missed the point of my question? what information are you using that has weight as related to the time a car came off the assembly line or even exactly what day it came off the line. like I said im curious . would you please share the formula you have used to obtain your hypothesis ?

I'm glad someone finally asked that question. With all due respect, one of the people posting here is going off on nothing more than attempt to form a false narrative. They're using information that is as random as the different circumstances that can be used to build a car. It is a complete and absolute waste of time. It's similar saying you want to do a study on ALL Fruits to get information for Bananas, Grapes, Kiwis, Oranges, Pears, Pineapples, etc...... and then only go to an Apple Orchard for your investigating. There is no conspiracy or engineered protocol to be learned here. The Certification starts with Corporate Law and the Factory has to comply with Automotive shipping mandates. That sums it up completely! The Factory didn't start the process. It began with Congress in the Summer of 1966 and signed into NHTSA/SAE Law by President Johnson in September of 1966. The "infancy" of the program did not start in 1969/1970. It was already 3 years old.

A car could have been built, damaged, ordered earlier than expected and required a new Label be printed before it was shipped. This would warrant a Federal Label being placed prior to the build components that some are trying to use to justify the final shipment. You'll find some cars that were built prior to the SPD. You'll find some cars built after the SDP date. We come across this issue all the time with our newer model cars. If we handled them the way some are trying to orchestrate and process in this thread, we would lose our licensing and possibly be charged with a Federal tampering crime.

The criteria being used here has gone off in a wrong direction for understanding NHTSA protocol. It's no wonder that the OE judging programs are so messed up. If this is how criteria is established, history is constantly being changed and rewritten to accommodate a false agenda. Please do ALL of your research. Many are either too lazy, arrogant and simply choose to limit their research because they think they're above reproach. It can make the difference between misleading people and providing correct information. We find many of these anomalies on a daily basis. I'm not looking to argue the facts, they are what they are. No two "Government" entities working together, ever seem to get things exactly as intended. Most of this is the exception and not the rule. Here are a couple of recent examples to illustrate the point.

Thanks,
David Walden

Thanks!

Yes, they are soooo helpful....

This sheet was under the rear seat cushion. Hoping to fish it out tomorrow. Will see if there is a second on the rear seat back.

I'll try to get that for you tomorrow.

Ed

I wonder what kind of actual evidence you have for this. Are you comparing spo dates on the fender tags to the actual VIN decal? If so, there are still way too many variables to get a definite date as to when it was actually finished. If a car was pulled off the line for a scratched molding or to have say the random water leak test done, I'm sure that would have delayed it in getting the final VIN decal slapped onto the car. What about cars that might have been pushed ahead of others for people such as corporate execs who bought a car and didn't want to wait. Again, like I said before, the only way to know exactly what info that is supposed to be on the VIN tag is what was there originally. Once that is gone, and you don't have a pic or other proof, you are only guessing at what "could have been".

Dave, hello again. I understand all of the details you've brought up from your wealth of knowledge and experience with compliance labels, restoration, O.E. judging or should I say O.E. JUDGES. I also "think" I know why you seem a little upset about the process that is being taken to try to get the OP a shot gun blast/ballpark date of production that to this day is a month wide window but in this case it's for a 47-year old car that the OP says is not going to be a show judged car. In this case with the SPD being so close to the end of one month and the beginning of the next, trying to determine what the date on a missing label might NOT be is the best anyone can do and that is all that is trying to be done. What's the big harm here? Not everyone knows what you know and you're not going to be judging his car (at least I hope not because he's in big trouble if you do, you know way too much ). If the OP were to order this label from you and you were given the story that is written here what would you tell or ask the OP to sell him a label. Would he be SOL for not having the original label or date (month) of production and just go and find another source that would print any date (month) close or not? How would you determine the month of production for the OP's car and label?

Thanks Dave Walden I know you will live up to your screen name.


MikeR

Hi Mike. I'm not upset in the least that anyone tries to find out which side of the month they feel their Certification Label should fall on. The problem goes FAR beyond just a simple VIN decal. Some guys do this ALL the time. (NOT the OP or the person looking for the information.) They go half prepared in their investigation and they have almost NOTHING substantial to base their figures on. They look in ONE place when it may take ten times the amount of research they're willing to provide. If you're going to step up to "Help People" you had better give your VERY BEST and be willing to provide your "BEST" to help those People. Instead, they take their incorrect opinion and make RULES that were never established. I personally think that's arrogant, self serving and horrible for the Hobby. Why can't people admit they don't have the facts? Why do they CONSTANTLY argue with people who have had PPAP CERTIFICATION, NHTSA Training, SAE Standards, DMV and DOT Training, in the very area that they are making incorrect assessments about? Their arrogance is counterproductive to the Industry. Them being "right" is as important to them as anything else.

Like I said, if some of you "ignorantly" followed their WRONG advice on newer vehicles and changed protocol, you could potentially be charged with VIN fraud. The sad thing is that they don't care about you as long as you feed their ego! Their incorrect "importance" is the only thing that matters.........and THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A FINISHED CAR THAT EXEMPLIFIES ALL THEIR "SUPPOSED" INFINITE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE! Think about that fact just for a moment and then ask yourself why many of you give this fake, "self serving" power to them?

Hello Everyone,

I would like to thank everyone for there responses and the discussion that has developed. As mentioned, I am not going for a judged O.E. gold car, I just wanted to present the vehicle to look "original". Unfortunately I do not have the build sheet, window sticker or original door label to reference to. I do have the fender tag as well as many of the stamped locations on the car and parts to semi go off of. I understand that the information I have is the best I got, and that it will never be truly known the actual date on the label. Again thanks Dave, Dan, Mike and others.

Jeff

Whats up with that broadcast sheet? The 2nd line is shifted, and the 3rd line is off too.

Did 383 SBs not have dual exhaust?

If you look at the top of the sheet, it was printed on an E-Series 1969 model year blank. It was somewhat common, they must have been using up old stock at the plant.

Not exactly sure what you want to see. Snapped a couple. Please let me know if something else is needed.

Ed

2nd

Brewers has clear picture of every part and has in stock

Thank you Jeff for taking the time to inquire about the subject. I can promise you that we will always do our very best to make your experience a positive one. Without the input of people such as yourself, we are not privileged to promote and serve this Industry. Thanks for your patience and have a very Merry Christmas......to everyone!

So would superbirds be the easiest to pick the door sticker for due to the nascar list? RM23V0A171644 had nascar ship date dec1 sticker dec 1969.