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#163582 - 12/06/08 08:09 PM Hughes Whiplash cam testimony.
OA5599 Offline
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Just installed, broke in, and test drove the 69 Cuda with a Hughes Whiplash cam in it. Motor is a 100% factory '70 340 motor right down to the cast iron exhaust manifolds. I was looking for a cam that not only ran better, but sounded much manlier. Kevin at Hughes Engines talked me into the Whiplash cam for the 340. The sound is somewhere between a 284 and a 292 purple cam (which is very healthy), but I'm holding between 8 and 10 inches of vacuum. With the stock cam, the car would spin about 3/4 the way through 1st gear with my peg leg 3:23s (about to be replaced), but now it will spin far into 2nd gear. The low end is amazing compared to before, but it pulls really hard to at least 5500. I don't have timeslips yet, but I can tell that it has the stock 340 cam beat all through the RPM range, and has a radical idle that turns heads. I hadn't heard much about the Whiplash before I bought mine, but I took and chance and I couldn't be happier with it. In the next few weeks, the car will get TTI headers/exhaust and a 3:91 sure grip, so it should pick up a good deal from that too. I will post video soon with sound before and after. Just thought I would share in case anyone else was considering a Whiplash.



P.S. Link on my signature is from the old cam, not the new Whiplash.


Edited by OA5599 (12/06/08 08:11 PM)
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#163583 - 12/07/08 05:02 AM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: OA5599]
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Just installed, broke in, and test drove the 69 Cuda with a Hughes Whiplash cam in it. Motor is a 100% factory '70 340 motor right down to the cast iron exhaust manifolds. I was looking for a cam that not only ran better, but sounded much manlier. Kevin at Hughes Engines talked me into the Whiplash cam for the 340. The sound is somewhere between a 284 and a 292 purple cam (which is very healthy), but I'm holding between 8 and 10 inches of vacuum. With the stock cam, the car would spin about 3/4 the way through 1st gear with my peg leg 3:23s (about to be replaced), but now it will spin far into 2nd gear. The low end is amazing compared to before, but it pulls really hard to at least 5500. I don't have timeslips yet, but I can tell that it has the stock 340 cam beat all through the RPM range, and has a radical idle that turns heads. I hadn't heard much about the Whiplash before I bought mine, but I took and chance and I couldn't be happier with it. In the next few weeks, the car will get TTI headers/exhaust and a 3:91 sure grip, so it should pick up a good deal from that too. I will post video soon with sound before and after. Just thought I would share in case anyone else was considering a Whiplash.



P.S. Link on my signature is from the old cam, not the new Whiplash.


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#163584 - 12/08/08 09:00 AM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: MoparforLife]
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TTIs headers are installed now, but my new mini starter from autozone isn't agreeing with my flywheel. I think I'll just put the old starter on it for now, I like the sound of the old starters better anyway.
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#163585 - 12/08/08 02:42 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: OA5599]
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cool!!! glad to hear results on a whiplash cam

I want to get specs on a whiplash roller cam

looks like I will be calling kevin real soon also

yea a before an after sound clip,thats the ticket


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#163586 - 12/08/08 04:36 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: OA5599]
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good luck, hope it holds up better than there other cams
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#163587 - 12/08/08 06:24 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: cudadan]
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good luck, hope it holds up better than there other cams




Me too, mine is five years old and still running strong .

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#163588 - 12/08/08 06:58 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: cudadan]
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good luck, hope it holds up better than there other cams


that might be a little uncalled for . the only problem i have with my hughes cam is keeping the front wheels down. how about a 5.91 1/8mi? it has over 116mph. yeah, bad cams

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#163589 - 12/08/08 07:04 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: cudadan]
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If you don't know who ground the Hughes cam and who ground your current cam its hard to predict the outcome. I don't think either have purchased a cam grinder or made lobe masters as of today. For the original poster the "Whiplash" cams are a response to comps "Thumper" line,tigher LSA on small lobes for a street car that needs to sound tough.


Edited by goldmember (12/08/08 07:08 PM)

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#163590 - 12/09/08 06:56 AM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: goldmember]
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...poser cam...just what I want

I am gonna give one a try

just because it supposed to work with the lopo I got and the thumper needed a lot of every thing I dont have in a lopo driver

of course I am a 3/4 cam rabid parts changer

gonna run what I brung till it breaks


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#163591 - 12/09/08 08:46 AM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: OA5599]
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Just installed, broke in, and test drove the 69 Cuda with a Hughes Whiplash cam in it. Motor is a 100% factory '70 340 motor right down to the cast iron exhaust manifolds. I was looking for a cam that not only ran better, but sounded much manlier. Kevin at Hughes Engines talked me into the Whiplash cam for the 340. The sound is somewhere between a 284 and a 292 purple cam (which is very healthy), but I'm holding between 8 and 10 inches of vacuum. With the stock cam, the car would spin about 3/4 the way through 1st gear with my peg leg 3:23s (about to be replaced), but now it will spin far into 2nd gear. The low end is amazing compared to before, but it pulls really hard to at least 5500. I don't have timeslips yet, but I can tell that it has the stock 340 cam beat all through the RPM range, and has a radical idle that turns heads. I hadn't heard much about the Whiplash before I bought mine, but I took and chance and I couldn't be happier with it. In the next few weeks, the car will get TTI headers/exhaust and a 3:91 sure grip, so it should pick up a good deal from that too. I will post video soon with sound before and after. Just thought I would share in case anyone else was considering a Whiplash.



P.S. Link on my signature is from the old cam, not the new Whiplash.




I guess "how cool it sounds" is something we all want, but this is the Race forum, isn't it? I don't know of any tracks that award wins based on how cool a car sounds, or how far it can "spin" (although this does sound alot like how they award wins for drifting , doesn't it?).??

With that admittedly flaming response said, I too am planning a Hughes cam in my next build.
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#163592 - 12/09/08 08:53 AM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: scratchnfotraction]
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I was skepical at first and was going to just try to pick the right performance cam. But after some thinking about it, the car sees the track maybe twice a year, other than that just cruising and car shows. But as soon as I drove it I loved it. Has a seriously nasty idle, but idles in gear just fine. Tons of low and mid range and pulls to 5500. Before this car, I had a 508 purple in a 340 and this is way more fun to drive. I ditched my cast iron manifolds in favor of TTI headers yesterday, but due to starter problems, I haven't been able to start it yet. As I said earlier, before and after vids will follow all of this in a couple of weeks.
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#163593 - 12/09/08 09:11 AM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: OA5599]
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It isn't suprising that this cam works better in a street car,it's 20 plus degrees shorter than the MP cam you had.

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#163594 - 12/09/08 01:01 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: OA5599]
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I am skeptical also

I dont get how it idles like a funny car and drive like a good street bruzer

is it just the high lift and short dur that duz this,of course I dont know how the # work on any of them...how is it better than the voodoo series cams

never mind,I will just try it for the funny car idle,I hardly see over 70mph and and most cruzin is 2000rpms and I like to idle a round the cruz in posing to be fast for the 3/4 cam crowd....

I will go back over to the 3/4 cam forum now

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#163595 - 12/09/08 01:32 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: scratchnfotraction]
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The cam sounds "nasty" and makes the car shake or what not because it has a narrow LSA of 106. Used to be how the old race stuff was, very narrow. Now many aftermarket manufacturers are going to wider LSA's of 110 or 112.

I'd rather have people think my car is slow, and prove them wrong, than for my car to sound radical, but have little to back it up.
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#163596 - 12/09/08 01:34 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: Triple Threat]
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The cam sounds "nasty" and makes the car shake or what not because it has a narrow LSA of 106. Used to be how the old race stuff was, very narrow. Now many aftermarket manufacturers are going to wider LSA's of 110 or 112.

I'd rather have people think my car is slow, and prove them wrong, than for my car to sound radical, but have little to back it up.




And with the low manifold vaccum it will cause hell if you have power brakes!
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#163597 - 12/09/08 01:39 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: scratchnfotraction]
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I am skeptical also

I dont get how it idles like a funny car and drive like a good street bruzer

is it just the high lift and short dur that duz this,of course I dont know how the # work on any of them...how is it better than the voodoo series cams





Before people started grinding cams for streetable manners AND a radical lope, the narrow LSA angle was required on a long duration cam because after all, there are only 360 degrees in a circle. In a shorter duration cam there was no reason to grind in such a narrow LSA (which means major overlap)....UNLESS, a radical idle was your goal!!!!!

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#163598 - 12/09/08 01:46 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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so the lsa of 106 is what makes it choppy compared to my lsa 112 on the voodoo cam


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#163599 - 12/09/08 02:03 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: scratchnfotraction]
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basically, yes. a narrow LSA will also give you a slightly more peak torque, but the torque curve won't be as flat, and the powerband will drop off quicker, so while peak torque might be more, average torque over say 2000-6000 might end up slightly less than a cam identical in spec except LSA.
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#163600 - 12/09/08 06:07 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: StealthWedge67]
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I guess "how cool it sounds" is something we all want, but this is the Race forum, isn't it? I don't know of any tracks that award wins based on how cool a car sounds, or how far it can "spin" (although this does sound alot like how they award wins for drifting , doesn't it?).??

With that admittedly flaming response said, I too am planning a Hughes cam in my next build.




Sound is one thing I'm looking for I'm upgrading to stealth heads and an eddy 2x4 setup on my street 440 d100. I don't want to do an engine rebuild so the 106 centerline cam seems like a great idea to me.

I had a custom comp cams grind done for the last 340 I freshened. It was low comp 73 narrowed up the centerline to get some more cly pressure.

glad those whiplash cams are out there now!

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#163601 - 12/09/08 06:54 PM Re: Hughes Whiplash cam testimony. [Re: BJS racing]
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The cam sounds "nasty" and makes the car shake or what not because it has a narrow LSA of 106. Used to be how the old race stuff was, very narrow. Now many aftermarket manufacturers are going to wider LSA's of 110 or 112.

I'd rather have people think my car is slow, and prove them wrong, than for my car to sound radical, but have little to back it up.




And with the low manifold vaccum it will cause hell if you have power brakes!




I am holding between 8" and 10" of vacuum with my Whiplash. How much more do you need for your brakes?
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