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How to shorten a sway bar...maybe

Posted By: hemienvy

How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/02/22 02:30 AM

If I cut 5 inches out of the center of a sway bar, I have two shorter halves.

If it's a 3/4" OD bar, what if I got a length of tubing with a 3/4" ID, say 1/4-inch wall, maybe 4~5 inches long.

Push both sway bar halves together into the tube so they butted, drill a couple holes in the tube for each sway bar half,
and plug weld each half to the tube.

Do you reckon this would now still work as a sway bar ?
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/02/22 03:05 AM

Don't do this.
Anti-sway bars are made from spring steel. Welding ruins the temper and "spring" it has to it. It will bend and stay bent.
Posted By: moparx

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/02/22 02:29 PM

what are you trying to accomplish ?
what vehicle are you working on ?
i'm sure there are budget options out there, but you need to establish a starting point what you are working with.
beer
Posted By: hemienvy

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/02/22 05:35 PM

I need the bar shortened. I'm exploring whether or not this will work, and if it's cheaper than a custom sway bar.

Two spot welds on the very end of each half is probably not going to ruin the steel temper of the entire rest of the bar.

Another strategy might be to cut some female spines into each half, and spline the two ends back together. I don't know what this might cost either.
Some Jeeps have this feature, disconnecting the two front sway bar halves.
Posted By: BDW

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/03/22 05:33 PM

Why not give it a try, maybe add a couple of Grade 8 bolts at each end and keep and eye on it.
Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/03/22 07:26 PM

It will still work, but it's effective rate will be severely reduced and its mean time to failure will rise. Drilling holes and bolting would reduce rate even more and present additional stress failure points.

Sway bars work on the elastic modulus principles that allow it to retain its original shape despite being torqued out of shape. The modulus varies depending on the thickness of a solid bar, or if it is hollow, the wall thickness. By cutting a solid bar and welding a tube over it, you have effectively reduced the sway bars resistance to the wall thickness of that tube and now concentrated all those stresses to the cut point of the original bar. It will work, at a reduced rate, for some period of time. Depending on your driving style, It will probably eventually fail at those cut points.

You can get straight bars/tubes, with splines on the end and then use custom arms to interface with the splines and the control arms. Speedway Engineering is one company that offers these. http://1speedway.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=76
Posted By: hemienvy

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/03/22 10:09 PM

Thanks TC.

I thought about that race car stuff, no doubt it works well, I thought it might be pricey.
Posted By: SNK-EYZ

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/03/22 10:14 PM

Rather than cutting and welding, I think I'd look around and see if there's an existing sway bar with the shape and specs that you need for any brand or type of vehicle.
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/04/22 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
Rather than cutting and welding, I think I'd look around and see if there's an existing sway bar with the shape and specs that you need for any brand or type of vehicle.

FACT.
I took a sway bar from a 73-87 Chevy C-30 2wd truck and modified it to fit the front of my '70 Charger. The same car has a rear bar from an '83 Imperial.
I took a sway bar from a Chevy Tahoe and fitted it to the rear of my 2007 Ram 1500.
Be creative.
Posted By: hemienvy

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/04/22 04:41 AM

KernDog,
I would not be opposed to that at all.
I've found it's just very hard to find sway bar dimensions on the internet.
Did you simply find pictures ? How many sway bars did you go through before success ?
Also, what mods did you do, bending ?
Posted By: Sniper

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/04/22 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by hemienvy
KernDog,
I would not be opposed to that at all.
I've found it's just very hard to find sway bar dimensions on the internet.
Did you simply find pictures ? How many sway bars did you go through before success ?
Also, what mods did you do, bending ?


Get a tape measure, go to the junkyard, measure till you find something that will fit.

That's what I did to put a swaybar on my 64 300 back in the early 90's, when the answer to all questions, aka the internet, didn't exist. Still works today.
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/05/22 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by hemienvy
KernDog,
I would not be opposed to that at all.
I've found it's just very hard to find sway bar dimensions on the internet.
Did you simply find pictures ? How many sway bars did you go through before success ?
Also, what mods did you do, bending ?


Get a tape measure, go to the junkyard, measure till you find something that will fit.

That's what I did to put a swaybar on my 64 300 back in the early 90's, when the answer to all questions, aka the internet, didn't exist. Still works today.


That is what I did. I walked the yard and looked at different shapes and styles.
The Chevy truck bar was an easy one. I had an '84 Chevy truck when I bought my '70 Charger. I noticed that the shapes were similar. I bought one at the Junkyard and simply shortened each end and drilled holes in the ends to attach the end links.

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Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/05/22 04:09 PM

More

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Posted By: BDW

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/05/22 11:55 PM

That last pic doesn't look the same?
How did you taper the round bar flat?
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/06/22 08:24 AM

The bar has curved arms/levers. I mounted the bar in the same way that the Chevy trucks did, with the curve pointing UP at the ends.
I tapered the ends using an angle grinder and a 40 grit flapper disc.

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Posted By: BDW

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/06/22 09:58 AM

I see now, thx for the pics
Posted By: burdar

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/06/22 09:11 PM

To the OP...what are you working on? Are you trying to modify a front or a rear bar?
Posted By: hemienvy

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/07/22 05:02 PM

OP here,
E-body, I put in spring relocation hangers, each spring moved inward about 1 1/4-in, so the rear sway bar
needs to be about 2 1/2-in narrower.
Posted By: BDW

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/08/22 12:28 AM

Just have the ends bent inward
Posted By: hemienvy

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/08/22 03:32 AM

Won't clear the tire sidewall bulge.
Posted By: Sniper

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/08/22 11:48 AM

Maybe if you gave us some dimensions of what you are looking for it could help

Might even be that an A body bar would fit but right now no one can say because you haven't given any useful info.

Not sure why it has to be like pulling teeth.
Posted By: burdar

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/08/22 03:05 PM

On an E-body rear, I've seen it done a few different ways.

1. Bend the ends that the end-links attach to inward so they line up with the leaf spring bracket.
2. Modify the leaf spring brackets so the end link attachment point is out farther.
3. Use offset end links so no sway bar or attaching bracket modifications are needed.

If the sway bar is going to hit the sidewall...that's another issue.
Posted By: gzig5

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/12/22 08:14 PM

I'm going to have to deal with same issue and am planning to make up some offset links, as shown. Bending it in a touch on either side is my second option if I don't do a custom bar.

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Posted By: hemienvy

Re: How to shorten a sway bar...maybe - 07/12/22 11:24 PM

Well I might be in a pickle.The tire is pretty close to the frame rail.

The OE sway bar sticks out of the mounts past the frame rail enough to hit the tire, I THINK. I can't mock it up just yet.

So the bar needs to be narrower, plus I have to figure out a different mounting, I THINK.
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