Posted By: brads70
Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 10/05/14 06:33 PM
Does anyone have a common e-body lower ball joint handy to measure the taper for me? What I'm wondering is the taper the same size on a
K727 ball joint and a K783/k781 ?
Thanks Brad
Posted By: moparx
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 10/06/14 02:44 AM
i "think"the k727 joint has a bigger taper than the k781/783 joints, as it fits the imperial from 59-66, and those take the k778upper joint that is also common to the 74-78 c bodies and 1/2 ton trucks, which have a bigger taper than the 62-74 b&e joints. the lower screw in joint that has the same taper as the 62-74 b&e bodies is the k719. however, that screw in joint has the same threads as the upper ball joints, so it won't screw into the lower control arms that take the k727 joints because the body thread size is smaller. hope that makes it clear[as mud].........
Posted By: brads70
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 10/06/14 03:41 AM
Found this..... I think this will work for what I'm doing.
http://www.howeracing.com/p-7933-howe-22418-fits-k719.aspx
Posted By: TC@HP2
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 10/06/14 06:32 PM
Brad, they appear that they are all 7* tapers. The K727, K781 and K783 all match tapers after checking a 7* reamer taper against a spindle and lower control arm taper that I have sitting in the garage.
FWIW, the K5108 and K6024, bolt in GM style ball joints also have 7* of taper. Using either of these and a creative body mounting method would allow the use of GM style tubular upper control arms.
Check Speedway Motors as you can sort through their ball joint catalog by taper, material, height, thread, etc.
Posted By: TC@HP2
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 10/07/14 05:44 PM
Simple answer would be to just pick up a reamer to open up the diameter to whatever dimension you want while retaining the 7* taper.
I suspect Brad is chasing some pseudo Nascar application that can be adapted using common oval track parts. Since he has the machining capability in his garage, it isn't too much of a stretch for him to perform on his car. I'm anxious to see what he comes up with.
Posted By: Trojmn
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 10/08/14 04:20 AM
those are awesome! the adjustable steering arm looks interesting. i wonder what the steering arm length and ackerman is compared to stock
Posted By: TC@HP2
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 10/08/14 09:20 PM
Wow, those sure do look like the Laughlin pieces. You may be right about that.
While I'm sure the price difference is substantial, Chassisworks has come out with a fabricated spindles with bolt on steering arms among other features.
http://www.cachassisworks.com/scroll down to the bottom and view the gStreet billet spindle system.
Posted By: brads70
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 10/09/14 08:55 PM
Wow that's crazy! I can see why it wouldn't last....
I did one like that for a racer years ago when the rules said no lightened gear sets. I machined pockets between the screw holes that bolted on the ring gear. Took me a lot of hours on a manual mill with a rotary table. Everything was machined with a radius, no sharp corners anywhere. The guy ran it for 4 seasons, lent it to another racer for a night and it grenade. He complained about how it didn't last very long! LOL like 2 seasons is pushing it on a gear set! He said he could feel the difference though? I think it was a 6:50 gear so the crown was really thick with lots of material removed. This was before you could buy them lightened. I've done a few gear clusters for T-10 based transmissions too. Funny how circle track stuff is all hush hush...
Fun times....
Posted By: brads70
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 12/16/14 06:12 AM
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 12/16/14 08:30 AM
Nice.
Did you choose to alter the spring vs the lower ball joint to keeps it looking stock-type?
Do you think that was easier than altering the LCA for a screw in ball joint
Is that a Howe take apart adjustable ball joint?
Posted By: brads70
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 12/16/14 01:44 PM
"Did you choose to alter the spring vs the lower ball joint to keeps it looking stock-type?" -Not sure what you mean?
"Do you think that was easier than altering the LCA for a screw in ball joint." - Yes as I'll be using A-Body LCA's I could have modified the later B-Body LCA's but to get the geometry right( roll centers) I needed to get the ball joint closer to the spindle pin.
"Is that a Howe take apart adjustable ball joint?" Yes
http://www.howeracing.com/p-7933-howe-22418-fits-k719.aspx
Posted By: moparx
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 12/17/14 04:05 AM
looks good. are those ball joint rings the "universal" threaded [commonly available] rings ?
Posted By: brads70
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 03/29/15 04:24 AM
Posted By: OzHemi
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 03/29/15 05:08 AM
Why such small rotors ?
And...how well will the aluminum hold up to the stress there, does it need heat treating or anything ? (I don't really know...just curious)
And it was in the mid 90's here the past 2 days...finally cooled down into the 80's today, so was nicer in the garage too.
Posted By: dangina
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 03/29/15 07:03 PM
hmmm methinks I'll be buying more custom parts from you in the future
Posted By: brads70
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 03/30/15 03:00 PM
Ya those carbon rotors are pricey , not to mention the cost of the attaching hardware too. I would assume they also require a specific pad too? Like not the same pad compound as used on iron rotors?
Posted By: OzHemi
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 03/30/15 05:02 PM
As for attaching hardware, they have an aluminum hub already.. Here is how they came..
(Just OE Brembo ones for a ZR1. He bought OE pads too, but imagine there would be other compounds out there that work properly with them?)
Posted By: brads70
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 03/30/15 05:31 PM
Wow very little offset on those. Rims must have lots of caliper clearance.
Posted By: OzHemi
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 03/31/15 12:13 AM
Yep, my buddy is getting some wheels with a pretty thick mounting pad area for clearance. (Similar to what the ZR1 would have used, but with a little more dish to the outside as well)
The S55 rotors I use,at 76mm in height are as flat as I could go with my wheels, no way could I run something like those carbon rotors. (Let alone my wheels are only 18" in diameter as well
)
Posted By: Fishmarket
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 04/07/15 09:48 PM
Brad, what calipers are those?
Posted By: brads70
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 04/08/15 03:06 AM
Brad, what calipers are those?
2003-06? Mercedes AMG E55
Posted By: OzHemi
Re: Need help with a ball joint taper dimension - 04/10/15 05:22 PM
I run the S55 ones..
But believe they are all similar for E55, S55, and SL55.