Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 05:49 AM
I'm in, anywhere within 2,000 miles of Spokane. Road Race, 1/4 mile and standing mile, parking lot slalom, maybe a combo of all, sort of like the One Lap events?
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 06:08 AM
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 06:56 AM
Spring Fling has hosted a Mopar themed track day for the last 9 years. We invite all Mopars. Lots of Moparts members attend. The track is allready rented, cornerwokers paid for, etc. We even have track instuctors for novices or to get newcomers to the track up to speed quickly.
We'd gladly welcome any others that wish to attend. There's lots of comaderie and helpfulness with people with a common goal.
The event is held on Thursday before the Spring Fling Mopar event that offers many other activities. On Friday morning we have a free Malibu driving cruise through the mountains and a free kick off party Friday night. There is a free all-mopar cruise-in Saturday night.
I realize So Cal is not in the center of the country, but no location is perfect. Remember, a location halfway between two people is close for no one.
Posted By: MuuMuu101
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 07:47 AM
I'm in. I may be a terrible driver, but I'm down.
I just need a better engine and trans after I'm done with installing the new rear end, TVS, brakes, and wheels.
I will try to the best of my ability to make the Spring Fling track day this year. I should be graduated. The only thing that would compromise my schedule would be not enough vacation days if I got a new job.
Posted By: Consulier
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 05:00 PM
I am definitely in on an A Body Shootout. I would bring out my Dart and the Brick will get there one way or another.
I see a few different scenarios...
1) Have an East and West coast event. Winner from either event travels to the other. Travel fund generated by all participants to fund the fuel bill for the traveler. If it costs me an extra $100-$200 to support somebody traveling cross country, fine with me.
2) An event for all Mopars to decide each body line. Competition broken into classes by body (A,B,E) and that's it... no other rules on the car, maybe a tire rule to eliminate slicks or something. I think this is the most feasible and could even be similar to #1 with an East/West event. You could draw decent sponsor funding since it opens it up to lot's of vendors. I'm sure we could get MA involved and have something similar to their Drag Race Series. Lot's of options with this one... Open it up to LX stuff and the car count would go even higher.
3) Single event, A Body only, would have to be centrally located. Hallet, Kansas and that general area is the middle ground. Just under the 2k mark from the Northwest and about 1400+ from the East Coast. We could piggyback on an open track day, or probably easier to just get in on a NASA Time Trial event. Might not all be in the same group, but simple to organize. Rocky Mountain Region has events all over Colorado, Kansas and Oklahoma.
4) As much as I want to get a car to CA, I'm not footing the bill to just have an open track day... sorry. If we got one truck to haul 6-8 cars, that might be an option. There would have to be multiple pick up points starting on the East Coast. Bill would still be minimum $1.5 - $2k per car. Again, that's a lot for a track day. There would have to be more in it for me.
5) A USCA event is fine with me, but there really aren't any centrally located. You could do the East/West thing again and have a travel fund. They do have a group rate to get an entry discount of $100/per. That could be set aside for the travel fund. This is probably the easiest since the event will be organized and we would simply be running an event within an event. Since it would be 2015, we'll have to see if the series is still alive next year.
After all that, the scenario I would like to see is a East/West dedicated Mopar event for all body lines. Travel Fund for each body line to send the winner to the other side of the country. Minimum travel fund would be $1,500 and max $2k. Have some kind of graduated scale based on car count and/or sponsor funding. This would have a primary focus on the "major" lines... A, B, E and LX. The others are more than welcome to participate, just get the count up enough to fund the travel for the winner, or bring a sponsor to fund it.
This scenario would allow a fairly central point for each coast to have their event. Yes, it would be a dedicated track day(s) and I would plan on a budget similar to USCA of around $500 including the contribution to the travel fund. I would use the Motorstate Challenge as an example of a good event...
Day 1 - Afternoon/Evening meet and greet, food, shop tour if something is close
Day 2 - Week day open track event (cheapest option and easiest to schedule)
Day 3 - Autocross and awards
Typically this would mean 2 days off work, but you could skip the evening and show up at the track. I like to travel on Thursday morning, track on Friday, Autocross Saturday and then travel home on Sunday. Makes for a decent work day on Monday and not dead when you roll in at 2am from the late night haul. I would like to have an event within 12 hours of the participants if possible.
Let me know thoughts on the ideas. Let's keep it "big picture" and try not to get mired down in any minor details at this stage.
Posted By: jcc
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 05:35 PM
I like #3, central location for initial event, AND IMO it should just be open to all body styles, the bigger cars with bigger motors will have some advantages in road course and the smaller cars will have some on AX, etc. Its mainly just fun, a chance to measure one's car, but mainly have fun, with bragging rights as dessert, right?
Being initially over ambitious might sink the whole idea, which sound good.
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 06:18 PM
East coast event and West Coast event would be the way to do it, IMO. Piggy back on something big and fun like MATS and Carlisle, so no one has an excuse to not show. Linking in stootout for suspension companies makes it easier to generate sponsorship/press and funds. Has to include all other Bodies to be successful, IMO. A bodies are an extreme minority.
Posted By: Uhcoog1
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 06:26 PM
I like the idea of all body styles. Winners for each category, and an overall winner. Not to mention, there can be some great trash talking and teamwork among the body styles.
I would prefer one event. For me, it's going to be a long haul to either event. Might as well have everyone in one place. Course, if I'm the odd man out wanting one event, then I have no problem with a two event plan. If possible, maybe a 3rd event could come together in the central US - unlikely there are enough interested participants to make that happen though (there's plenty of LX's, not sure about the rest).
If there are two events, Steve already has a West Coast event that will fit the bill.
As far as rules - I'd vote no rules for the first year. Run what you brung. That way no one needs to go out and buy a new set of tires to compete. And because I want to run this set of $450 slicks I have on the shelf.
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 07:22 PM
Exactly. This year Hotchkis is running it's own Autocross series with the NMCA at Fontana,CA and the Carlisle event. For what we are talking about here, I'd rather meet at the show(s) in a car corral, do a 100 mile Road Rally to a track, and have at it for the day, then rally back to the corral.
Classes:
A,B, E Bodies
Modern (LX/ guys)
Viper
Other (Truck, C Body, F,M,J, etc)
The toughest sell is on participation. This would need 6 months of lead time and a LOT of hyping. Event with all that, I would be impressed if we had 20-30 cars. Everyone talks a big game until it's time to throw hats in the ring, then everyone has got an excuse.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/08/14 11:42 PM
"Fodder" That's funny
Based on watching the Hotchkiss autocross event at this years Mats the cars were not the limiting factor as much as the drivers (inability) to navigate the cones. Sort of reminded me of riding trials bikes, knowledge of the course and ability to use whatever power you needed without over powering the course. In a word, finesse.
Posted By: 340duster340
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/09/14 02:06 AM
i would be in for a <north> east coast event, although may need to take the srt8 while the dart is a work in progress.
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/09/14 06:36 AM
I could've swore I read it for the USCA rules but its not in there. I also thought I read in there that rear discs were mandatory too. I have been wrong before too Mike.
Posted By: TC@HP2
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/10/14 04:00 PM
Well, by throwing SEMA in there, they have the ability to keep it an invitation only, and maintain its "ultimate" status. The whole point of the USCR is to EXCLUDE average cars that most of us would have so we look at them in inspiration instead of thinking "mine is better."
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/10/14 06:16 PM
Most tracks are getting more amd more insistant in higher safety standards, Im sure it's insurance related and will only get tighter as we move forward. A lot of the latest safety gear is expensive. Go price out a spec helmet, fire suit, gloves, shoes, Hans device, etc.
And that's just for the driver. You'll need to your homework and get a budget plan, track racing is a blast but cheap it is not.
Posted By: BergmanAutoCraft
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/10/14 06:38 PM
Now you're talking!
Lime Rock - 1:08 on street tires video -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M278ne2dVTc
Posted By: jcc
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/11/14 03:41 AM
Posted By: jcc
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/11/14 04:21 AM
Ok, I'll focus, but tell me again why it matters?
Posted By: BigBlockMopar
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/11/14 10:45 AM
But what if he just doesn't want his SS kicked by those budget-Mopar A-bodies?
Posted By: jcc
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/13/14 04:09 AM
I like the old Can Am style performance format considered for initial get together, ie no rules, except, and I know its already been mentioned, but a 200 tire rule would help with costs, keep corner speeds somewhat in check, be easier on the cars/brakes etc, and help keep an over aggressively driver on 200's unwisely chasing a car on 40's into a fast corner.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/13/14 05:49 AM
I think it would be wise to let the cars run individually for times on the courses, it's easy to get in trouble when the competitive spirit takes one beyond his or his cars abilities.
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/13/14 06:47 AM
It would be nice if Toyo RA1's and R888's were allowed. They are affordable sticky tires. But im saying that mainly because if that was the case I would only need new fronts.
Posted By: jcc
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/13/14 02:43 PM
That is my intention, and I agree, max track time, and shared track time, but being balanced with competitive juices needs to be factored.
Posted By: gmachinedart1
Re: A-Body Shootout Thread -Who's in & What have you got? - 07/28/14 04:28 AM
Im in and up for anything