Anyone running 14" brakes rotors?

Posted By: 451Mopar

Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 06:35 AM

Curious if anyone is running 14" brake rotors and how they worked out for wheel sizing and feel.
Whos kit and price would be nice too..

I have been looking at the Bear 14" with the 6P calipers, but they are $2,400+ each end.

Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 06:42 AM

Oz and Feets made their own from Mercedes rotors and Calipers. I believe 72Swinger used an AndyF kit or made his own utilizing Viper calipers. From my reading, 18" wheels are a tight fit and may require the outside edge of the rotors to be turned down to bring the calipers in a little.

Posted By: BergmanAutoCraft

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 11:29 AM

I run an srt rotor and viper gen 3 caliper with a bracket Dr diff had at one time. It's a killer setup with a hydroboost and 11.75 rear discs.

Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 01:33 PM

I have 14" brakes off the front end of the gen 3 & 4 vipers. 4-piston brembos and 14" rotors. Brakes feel great, stops NOW and inspires confidence in your ability to stop short when needed. Pedal modulation to avoid lock-up is easy. Snd despite efforts to heat them up with repeated hard stops, I've not experienced brake fade yet.

Wheel size, I doubt you could fit 17" wheels over these, never tried myself though. 18" is probably the safe minimum diameter.

I wouldn't go bigger than 14" rotors unless I bought super expensive aluminum hubs with bolt on rotor surface area to reduce weight. These stock viper rotors weigh around 30lbs each.

Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 01:57 PM

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I run an srt rotor and viper gen 3 caliper with a bracket Dr diff had at one time. It's a killer setup with a hydroboost and 11.75 rear discs.

I have the same set up in the front. Srt8 rotor = 360mm = 14.17". Rotors are 28 lb each.

And I'm running viper calipers on custom Coleman 14" rotors in the rear. Overkill for the back.

Clearance on GT500 wheels is tight but good (18x9.5 +45).

Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 02:44 PM

Nice setup. I'd like to know more about your mounting brackets, and which spindle you're using. Along with the hub set-up

Posted By: jcc

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 02:52 PM

So I notice here for almost the first time in a decade, a brake size discussion "of mine are bigger then yours" on brakes that includes more then a mere suggestion on the package weight. We have actually made progress.

To bad its a little more complicated to include MOI in casual rotor discussions since diameter is such a factor.

Posted By: AndyF

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 03:34 PM

The mounting system is designed to handle different rotor diameters. You just add a spacer to move the caliper up to go from 13 to 14 to 15 inches.

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Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 04:38 PM

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Nice setup. I'd like to know more about your mounting brackets, and which spindle you're using. Along with the hub set-up

15/16" Master Cylinder, manual
rear bias adjuster
Caddy CTS-V pads (~0.3" taller than viper pads)
'Stock' Brembo pads in rear (HP1000), Raybestos ST-47 pads in front

Front:
Spindle- 73+ a body disc
Hub- aluminum, from dr diff
Bracket- steel, from dr diff
Front:

Rear:
Floater 9"
Ruff stuff specialties weld on brake brackets chopped down and re-drilled
1.5"x1.5" aluminum bar stock for adapter
Rear:

Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 04:39 PM

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The mounting system is designed to handle different rotor diameters. You just add a spacer to move the caliper up to go from 13 to 14 to 15 inches.

That is fancy. I like that.

Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 05:36 PM

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So I notice here for almost the first time in a decade, a brake size discussion "of mine are bigger then yours" on brakes that includes more then a mere suggestion on the package weight. We have actually made progress.

To bad its a little more complicated to include MOI in casual rotor discussions since diameter is such a factor.

IMO, weight matters, but in a different way than you're saying.

Ideally, you want the lightest rotors that will handle the heat. For less-than-competitive racing, I like my 28 pound rotors- they're a huge heat sink and stave off brake fade.

A point of reference - Matt Robertson road races a dodge magnum, and switched from lightweight 2 piece rotors back to factory rotors. Why? Because the two piece rotors were very expensive and wouldn't hardly last a weekend. The factory SRT8 rotors last multiple weekends, cost much less, and didn't get as hot doing so.

I agree that increasing unsprung rotating mass isn't good, but it doesn't outweigh the benefits of the increased heat sink (i.e. weight) for most.

Posted By: AndyF

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 09:24 PM

If you look in the archives you'll see a couple of magazine articles that I wrote on Tim's Valiant. We put a 13 inch Baer 6P kit on his Valiant and it works fine. Tim's car is road raced and has 150+ mph capability so it is very fast for a vintage Mopar. We could've gone 14 inch or 15 inch on the rotor size but there wasn't any reason to do so. The 13 inch rotors do the job from 150 so why go bigger. A 14 inch rotor does give you a little more leverage and a little more surface area and perhaps some additional head sink. I doubt that very many guys on here have a car that is fast enough to require a 14 inch rotor but nothing wrong with putting them on a car if you have the cash and don't mind spending it.

Posted By: jcc

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 09:29 PM

I suspect that brake technology has progressed in pretty big strides lately, in the area of pads/fluids. I have been around racing applications since discs (solid) were introduced. And surprisingly Nascar had to wait for the technology to progress enough before they became a user. That said, and I have said before, any un ducted brake system that can lock a tire in use, and doesn't fade, in competition should be considered over capacity in whatever way you choose to measure. Racers have for decades added ducting/blowers to be able to reduce the size of the heat sink, and all the benefits that reduced heat sink provides. I am doubtful many here are experiencing brake fade with a properly set-up brake system ( balanced correctly, correct pads for application, fresh bleed fluid). Anybody suffering severe brake fade has a problem with their brake system, or it s undersized for the application, or their driving technique might be in need of improvement. The only way to actually determine that, is to push the system to point of approaching brake fade. That should not be hard to do, if the system is balanced properly, concerning suspension, F/R, HP, etc. If that fade is difficult to achieve, ducting will provide more then enough safety margin for one's peace of mind, if it the can't, something is not in balance and you have brake system overkill, to a proven performance detriment. I have heard others say that brake ducting is difficult, well only if you haven't tried, and F1 aero is not a big concern. Anything is a lot better then nothing. I also get a kick out of the bigger brakes givening better modulation crowd, well if you are braking at 100% thresholds at over 100mph with the typical cars here, you are first 1 in 1000? and can't be gaining much insight on this forum. If you are running under 100mph and or autocross, your oversize brakes are costing you time.

FWIW at the recent optima Daytona,less then 1/3 of the cars had brake ducting, which for a competition event seemed rather strange, it was hot, it was long, and Daytona was/is likely one of the faster courses in the series. No way to find out reliability what factor brake fade played, on most of the big brake cars. remember it is 3+ miles long, serious banking, and possible to hit 160mph.

I think the last paragraph is fairly accurate, and I'm sure there will some disagreement on how to interpret my observation.

Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 09:33 PM

I think any of the disc brake setups will be lighter than the 11x3" drums that are on my car now.

What is the difference with the spindles?
I know I need to change the spindles, but which is better in a '69 Coronet?

Posted By: AndyF

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 09:49 PM

I use the taller (and lighter) FMJ knuckles on everything I build.

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/26/14 10:39 PM

Mine are same as Wades in the front except for color.

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Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/27/14 09:34 AM

So what about the rear brakes?
I have a stock Dana 60 with the tapered wheel bearings.

Posted By: AndyF

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/27/14 05:50 PM

Doctor Diff has what you need.

Posted By: ntstlgl1970

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/27/14 09:27 PM

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Curious if anyone is running 14" brake rotors and how they worked out for wheel sizing and feel.
Whos kit and price would be nice too..

I have been looking at the Bear 14" with the 6P calipers, but they are $2,400+ each end.

I'm running this kit on the front of my car and I like it. As far as overall weight is concerned, it was a wash between my 10.875 rotor, slider caliper setup and the baer kit. Also 13 or 14" rotors are the same price. I like the pedal feel on mine, but I might try a different master cylinder bore to lessen the overall pedal travel a little bit. At willow springs, I didn't have any issues with fade. I think I was ~110-115 at the end of the straightaway into turn one so my car isn't as fast as others on here. I'm running the 11" stock drums in the rear. I also won't claim to be a great driver as this was my first track experience - just my 2 cents

Posted By: feets

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/27/14 09:55 PM

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So I notice here for almost the first time in a decade, a brake size discussion "of mine are bigger then yours" on brakes that includes more then a mere suggestion on the package weight. We have actually made progress.

Someone must be ignoring my posts.
I've mentioned the weight penalty on almost every thread where I've discussed my brakes.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/28/14 06:43 AM

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Oz and Feets made their own from Mercedes rotors and Calipers. I believe 72Swinger used an AndyF kit or made his own utilizing Viper calipers. From my reading, 18" wheels are a tight fit and may require the outside edge of the rotors to be turned down to bring the calipers in a little.

Yep, 360mm x 36mm Mercedes rotor with 8 piston Brembo calipers..no problem with fitment under my 18" wheels, but they are made for extra caliper clearance on race cars, so plenty of room around the caliper.

And as Feets has mentioned numerious times, they are on the heavy side..but hard to beat for the price I suppose.

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Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/28/14 12:29 PM

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15/16" Master Cylinder, manual
rear bias adjuster
Caddy CTS-V pads (~0.3" taller than viper pads)
'Stock' Brembo pads in rear (HP1000), Raybestos ST-47 pads in front

Front:
Spindle- 73+ a body disc
Hub- aluminum, from dr diff
Bracket- steel, from dr diff
Front:

Rear:
Floater 9"
Ruff stuff specialties weld on brake brackets chopped down and re-drilled
1.5"x1.5" aluminum bar stock for adapter
Rear:

Did I read that the diff doctor was not going to make those brackets anymore though?

Posted By: Jerry

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/28/14 02:03 PM

are any of these "factory" rotor applications that you can find at an autoparts store? or is everyone ordering mail order?

Posted By: AlexP

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/28/14 04:21 PM

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15/16" Master Cylinder, manual
rear bias adjuster
Caddy CTS-V pads (~0.3" taller than viper pads)
'Stock' Brembo pads in rear (HP1000), Raybestos ST-47 pads in front

Front:
Spindle- 73+ a body disc
Hub- aluminum, from dr diff
Bracket- steel, from dr diff
Front:

Rear:
Floater 9"
Ruff stuff specialties weld on brake brackets chopped down and re-drilled
1.5"x1.5" aluminum bar stock for adapter
Rear:

Did I read that the diff doctor was not going to make those brackets anymore though?

I called a few weeks ago, he isn't interested in doing them at the moment. The last 5 sets took years to sell.

Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 06/28/14 09:31 PM

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The mounting system is designed to handle different rotor diameters. You just add a spacer to move the caliper up to go from 13 to 14 to 15 inches.

Thanks for the photo and info, that is helpful to know how easy it would be to change rotor sizes.

Posted By: astjp2

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 07/28/14 08:06 AM

I looked into doing the 15" Grand Cherokee rotors and calipers, they are doable on the drum spindles very easily, just wheel fitment was way expensive. Almost 1000 per wheel for the right back spacing. I set up 12" rotors and calipers from a crown vic, cheap to do, easy to get upgraded parts for. Cop cars are abundant and I did my conversion with new rotors for less than $300.00. Tim

Posted By: HUSTLESTUFF

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 07/28/14 08:17 AM

I used a wilwood hub on B body drum spindle and added a coleman racing 14" rotor then used US Brake caliper with homemade bracket. Stops my 4000lb Charger pretty good and have never had any fade. I get going pretty good at ThunderHill, but I try to stay off my brakes and on the gas pedal.

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Posted By: astjp2

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 07/30/14 07:57 PM

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I used a wilwood hub on B body drum spindle and added a coleman racing 14" rotor then used US Brake caliper with homemade bracket. Stops my 4000lb Charger pretty good and have never had any fade. I get going pretty good at ThunderHill, but I try to stay off my brakes and on the gas pedal.

Well this caused me several sleepless nights thinking of how I can make the 15" Grand Cherokee Brembos work on the Charger.....hmmm now to do a little more planning!

Posted By: feets

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 07/30/14 08:45 PM

Is there any particular reason you want such a heavy rotor up front?
Life will by much happier (easier) if you go with a more reasonably sized 13" or even 14" rotor. Wheels and tires will be less expensive and your performance will likely go up.

Posted By: astjp2

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 07/31/14 05:10 AM

cool factor! and the challenge to see if I can make it fit?>

I made the crown vic 12" calipers and rotors fit real easy on the drum spindle, this was more of a mental exercise than anything...Tim

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 07/31/14 07:09 AM

Aside from having to run large wheels on the front to clear that size a rotor...why not just make up some brackets and go then ?

Posted By: astjp2

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 08/01/14 07:16 AM

Rotors are not offset enough, no one makes a wheel for less than 1k each to fit a B body. I might be able to get custom rotors and then use an affordable wheel, but Feets gave me crap about wanting to run cheap wheels...so I am stickin with the 12" for now until I get another 20K rounded up to put the car back together. The mental exercise is fun to see if I can make it work though. Tim

Posted By: feets

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 08/01/14 09:04 PM

I didn't intend to give you crap.

You can make anything work if you have enough money to throw at it.

One reason I used the 2003-2006 S-class rotors was to get the rotor surface back as far as possible. That gave me more caliper to wheel clearance. They get close to the outside of the wheel but the biggest concern is between the back of the spokes and the side of the brake caliper. Multi-pistion calipers are really w-i-d-e.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 08/01/14 09:14 PM

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really w-i-d-e.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 08/01/14 09:22 PM

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That gave me more caliper to wheel clearance. They get close to the outside of the wheel but the biggest concern is between the back of the spokes and the side of the brake caliper.

Wheels with flatter spokes can make it easier...mine is a little tight but works well. I have good clearance on the outside diameter sort of area.

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Posted By: challenger70

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/04/15 09:06 AM

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15/16" Master Cylinder, manual
rear bias adjuster
Caddy CTS-V pads (~0.3" taller than viper pads)
'Stock' Brembo pads in rear (HP1000), Raybestos ST-47 pads in front

Front:
Spindle- 73+ a body disc
Hub- aluminum, from dr diff
Bracket- steel, from dr diff
Front:

Rear:
Floater 9"
Ruff stuff specialties weld on brake brackets chopped down and re-drilled
1.5"x1.5" aluminum bar stock for adapter
Rear:

Did I read that the diff doctor was not going to make those brackets anymore though?

I called a few weeks ago, he isn't interested in doing them at the moment. The last 5 sets took years to sell.

I tried him a few months before that, same story, how many would he need to make it worth his while I would gladly pay upfront...or anyone with the required equipment to replicate it if he has no interest.

Posted By: bordin34

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/06/15 03:05 AM

Is there anything out there that will fit a 73+ B-body spindle?

Posted By: AndyF

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/06/15 04:34 AM

Most everything fits the late B-body knuckle.

Posted By: bordin34

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/06/15 05:42 AM

I see dr.diff lists a 13" rotor with a 4 piston caliper for my knuckle. Do you know if that is currently produced and where the caliper is sourced from? I would like to get the pedal feel similar to that of my 944 that has 4 piston brembos on all four corners 300mm rotors and braided lines.

Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/06/15 05:49 AM

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I see dr.diff lists a 13" rotor with a 4 piston caliper for my knuckle. Do you know if that is currently produced and where the caliper is sourced from? I would like to get the pedal feel similar to that of my 944 that has 4 piston brembos on all four corners 300mm rotors and braided lines.

I'm in the middle of the install, but I'd say they're generic parts. I know the rotors are Mercedes based. I'm not sure about the calipers.

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Posted By: bordin34

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/07/15 03:33 AM

Knowing what caliper it uses is a pretty big concern for me because of pad selection.

Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/07/15 06:19 AM

My Stage 4 brake kit uses the same pads as second generation (ie '05) Viper calipers.

Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/07/15 06:48 AM

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My Stage 4 brake kit uses the same pads as second generation (ie '05) Viper calipers.

Good to know!

Posted By: mopardamo

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/07/15 09:20 PM

Hello Cass,

On your site how do we tell stage 1 from stage 2 etc? I did not see a stage 4 kit is why I asked.

Thanks

Damon

Posted By: shawge

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/07/15 09:59 PM

Brembo-style 13" Front Disc Brake Kit (Stage 4)

Posted By: bordin34

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 01/08/15 02:22 AM

Thank You

Posted By: go-fish

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/06/15 12:46 AM

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Wheels with flatter spokes can make it easier...mine is a little tight but works well. I have good clearance on the outside diameter sort of area.

Or ...

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/06/15 03:32 AM

My calipers are 8 piston Brembos, so might be a little larger then those as well? (On 360mm rotors)

I still have decent clearance to the spokes of my wheels...but every combo will be slightly different I would say, depending on wheels with spoke shape, mounting pad height, and rotor height people use.

(Mine are 2 piece, so no bolts along the inside edge eight depending on how close people's calipers may come to that area?)

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Posted By: moparpollack

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/06/15 03:34 AM

So how did the Tostito do running on he beach?

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/06/15 03:48 AM

I tried to keep out of the sand as much as possible.

And happy birthday!

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/06/15 04:32 AM

Speaking of large brakes...check this out...a buddy in Oz ordered a set of brakes for a ZR1 that he is going to retrofit onto a Torana (like mine). Carbon rotor, HUGE (nearly 15.5") and weighs next to nothing !

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Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/06/15 08:15 AM

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Speaking of large brakes...check this out...a buddy in Oz ordered a set of brakes for a ZR1 that he is going to retrofit onto a Torana (like mine). Carbon rotor, HUGE (nearly 15.5") and weighs next to nothing !

Having the billet hats and the carbon disc is probably a 40 lb weight reduction off one end of a car if you replaced steel with those.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/06/15 08:20 AM

It would have to think it would be way less than half the weight of mine easily if not more.. (and an inch larger in diameter)

I might toss it on a scale tomorrow for the heck of it.

Still waiting for the other 3 rotors to turn up for him too, be any day now I would imagine.

Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/06/15 09:50 AM

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Most everything fits the late B-body knuckle.

I thought most of the Wilwood kits fit small bearing drum knuckles.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 06:35 AM

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Speaking of large brakes...check this out...a buddy in Oz ordered a set of brakes for a ZR1 that he is going to retrofit onto a Torana (like mine). Carbon rotor, HUGE (nearly 15.5") and weighs next to nothing !

Having the billet hats and the carbon disc is probably a 40 lb weight reduction off one end of a car if you replaced steel with those.

13.2 pounds for one!

Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 08:45 AM

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Speaking of large brakes...check this out...a buddy in Oz ordered a set of brakes for a ZR1 that he is going to retrofit onto a Torana (like mine). Carbon rotor, HUGE (nearly 15.5") and weighs next to nothing !

Having the billet hats and the carbon disc is probably a 40 lb weight reduction off one end of a car if you replaced steel with those.

13.2 pounds for one!

Vs probably close to 50 lbs for a similar 15.5" steel rotor. That's a lot of rotational energy you're saving.

Posted By: astjp2

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 07:17 PM

What does those carbon rotors cost? Tim

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 07:36 PM

They are GM/Brembo replacements for a ZR1, think they are like 2006 and up?

Prices vary a little depending on seller, think like $1300 - 1500 each or so ? (I didn't order them so don't know for sure) just looked around a little online out of curiosity.

I have front and rear rotors and all 4 calipers laying around until I send them to Oz.

Posted By: ntstlgl1970

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 07:42 PM

I would have guessed 2500 per rotor, but at 1500 per, that is a lot cheaper than other offerings at SEMA that were in the 9-11k price range.

of course the term "cheaper" doesn't really apply here.

cool stuff!

Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 07:53 PM

Wilwood's 14" carbon ceramics are about $2300 per rotor.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 08:04 PM

Makes these look the bargin then!

Just get some hubs in 5 on 4 3/4 bolt pattern, redrill your rear axles, and get going!

Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 08:23 PM

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Makes these look the bargin then!

Just get some hubs in 5 on 4 3/4 bolt pattern, redrill your rear axles, and get going!

Or you could replace the rotor hat with a Mustang one...

http://www.wilwood.com/Hats/HatProd.aspx?itemno=170-12624

Rotor...
http://www.wilwood.com/Rotors/RotorProd.aspx?itemno=160-12442
http://www.wilwood.com/Rotors/RotorProd.aspx?itemno=160-12442

Ironically I priced it out. Buying the hats, rotors, and calipers separately cost more than the entire Mustang kit.

http://www.wilwood.com/brakekits/BrakeKitsProdFront.aspx?itemno=140-12756-CSIC

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 09:06 PM

Those are only teeny little 14" rotors though it looks like?

Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/07/15 09:45 PM

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Those are only teeny little 14" rotors though it looks like?

They are, but they have the hats for Chevy bolt pattern...

http://www.wilwood.com/brakekits/BrakeKi...t%20Brake%20Kit

Posted By: astjp2

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/08/15 04:39 AM

Hat height needs to be taller...custom by coleman?

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/08/15 07:42 AM

Wilwood has a bunch of different hats.
http://www.wilwood.com/Hats/HatList.aspx
http://www.wilwood.com/Images/HATS/Hat_Photos-Large/Big_Brake_Flared_Bell-lg.jpg

Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/08/15 08:06 AM

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Wilwood has a bunch of different hats.
http://www.wilwood.com/Hats/HatList.aspx
http://www.wilwood.com/Images/HATS/Hat_Photos-Large/Big_Brake_Flared_Bell-lg.jpg

Yes they do. I bet one would offset it properly with Dr Diff's hubs.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/08/15 07:24 PM

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I would have guessed 2500 per rotor, but at 1500 per, that is a lot cheaper than other offerings at SEMA that were in the 9-11k price range.

of course the term "cheaper" doesn't really apply here.

cool stuff!

Funny to think of close to $6k for 4 rotors as "cheaper" but know what you mean.

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/10/15 02:24 AM

Actually the rotors are cheaper then I thought, here they are...

http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-177-1120-O...xgy_auto_text_y

http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-177-1121-O...ywords=177-1121

Posted By: go-fish

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/10/15 05:00 AM

Those rotors aren't any good, they're drilled. I heard on here that drilled rotors are no good because they crack between holes.

Posted By: feets

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/10/15 11:43 PM

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Those rotors aren't any good, they're drilled. I heard on here that drilled rotors are no good because they crack between holes.

Only when the car is on a treadmill.

It happens only because you can't stack that many pancakes on a doghouse. The ice cream keeps melting.

Posted By: Twostick

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/15/15 03:09 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Those rotors aren't any good, they're drilled. I heard on here that drilled rotors are no good because they crack between holes.

Only when the car is on a treadmill.

It happens only because you can't stack that many pancakes on a doghouse. The ice cream keeps melting.

Ice cream has no bones.

Kevin

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/15/15 03:24 AM

Quote:

Ice cream has no bones.

Kevin

Are you sure?

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Posted By: moparx

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/15/15 03:15 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Ice cream has no bones.

Kevin

Are you sure?

and i thought i heard of everything by now........

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 02/15/15 07:03 PM

Google images, can be a scary place..

Posted By: dogdays

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/16/16 09:17 PM

There are three reasons for reducing weight of brake assemblies:

1. Overall vehicle weight.

2. Rotational acceleration energy use.

3. Reduced unsprung weight.

The first two make the vehicle easier to accelerate, the third lets the tires follow the road more easily.

Back in the day, many drag racers ran drum brakes because they were lighter and could be adjusted to have less drag.

R.

Posted By: BergmanAutoCraft

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/19/16 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By AndyF

I'm probably the only one on this board who has not only had both the 13 and 14" systems, but has had them on the track as well. My Dart is probably 600lbs heavier than Tim's Valiant which plays a huge roll in brake performance.
Another thing to consider is feel and balance. This is almost more important than the brakes themselves. Most on the board don't understand this factor.

Even though the 13" system was adequate, the 14" is far superior in braking and confidence. I had the complete system working for years and changed to the 14s by themselves. I also run an expensive set of Carbotech pads.

Bottom line, if you can afford it, brakes are worth it!

Posted By: MoparCar

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/20/16 03:31 AM

Peter,
What brakes and spindles (make,year, drum/disk) are you running now? I know you've got your car sorted out well!

Thanks, Wes

Posted By: jcc

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/20/16 04:20 AM

Originally Posted By dogdays

And slow down.

Posted By: BergmanAutoCraft

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/20/16 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By MoparCar

Peter,
What brakes and spindles (make,year, drum/disk) are you running now? I know you've got your car sorted out well!

Thanks, Wes

73 UP A Body disc spindles. Gen 3 Viper Caliper, Carbotech XP20 pad, OE Srt slotted rotor.

Posted By: MoparCar

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/20/16 09:19 PM

Pete,
Did you build the brackets/adapters or did you use someones? I apologize if this already out there in your posts someplace. I know the brackets have been produced and then not produced by some over the years.

Thanks, Wes

Posted By: BergmanAutoCraft

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/20/16 09:30 PM

Cass made them many years ago. Aside from some of the Porsches and Stoptech equipped XV cars they are one of the best brake systems I've ever experienced.

Posted By: MoparCar

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/21/16 03:12 AM

Originally Posted By BergmanAutoCraft

Cass made them many years ago. Aside from some of the Porsches and Stoptech equipped XV cars they are one of the best brake systems I've ever experienced.

Thanks-Wes

Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/21/16 04:29 PM

Wes-

I run the same fronts as Peter. I have a few sets of the correct calipers if you wanted to get the correct bracket from Cass and copy the kit.

-Wade

Posted By: Alchemi

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/22/16 12:09 PM

Originally Posted By 451Mopar

I think any of the disc brake setups will be lighter than the 11x3" drums that are on my car now.

Actually no.... I thought that until I had both set ups in front of me on the scales, the 11.75 c-body set up is heavier than 3" drums by a couple of pounds

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/22/16 10:11 PM

Weight wise, drums are hard to beat.

Posted By: feets

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/29/16 11:23 PM

Originally Posted By Uhcoog1

Wes-

I run the same fronts as Peter. I have a few sets of the correct calipers if you wanted to get the correct bracket from Cass and copy the kit.

-Wade

Were you able to solve the pad knock back issue you had on heavy cornering?

Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Anyone running 14" brakes rotors? - 12/31/16 01:23 AM

Originally Posted By feets

Originally Posted By Uhcoog1

Wes-

I run the same fronts as Peter. I have a few sets of the correct calipers if you wanted to get the correct bracket from Cass and copy the kit.

-Wade

Were you able to solve the pad knock back issue you had on heavy cornering?

The hubs you made were a big improvement! Thanks for that