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Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014

Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis

Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/14/14 09:02 PM

I think the cat is pretty much out of the bag as to Hotchkis building a 76 Dart for Kevin on this site. The guys working on the car are the same folks who assemble all of our components we sell as well. So I think it is time for some pictures!

Hotchkis Performance East is our all-new facility in Mooresville, North Carolina that specializes in custom fabrication, cooling system optimization, racing safety equipment design and installation, and race car prep in addition to manufacturing and installing Hotchkis Sport Suspension products. It is headed up by Kevin Bryde, a designer and fabricator with over 17 years’ experience in motorsports. Kevin’s career has let him work with some of the most talented drivers in the industry including Dick Trickle, Tony Stewart, Sterling Marlin, Dario Franchiti, Juan Pablo Montoya, Martin Truex Jr., and Jamie McMurray. Most recently Kevin worked for Chip Ganassi Racing in its Engineering Department where his duties included design, fabrication, and prototyping for NASCAR, Indy Car, and Rolex Sports Car race cars. Kevin also has over ten years’ experience in all aspects of driver safety, including seat, head restraint, and race car cockpit design.

Introduction:





Hotchkis Performance East's latest project is a complete buildup of this 1976 Dodge Dart for Kevin Wesley, creator of the Hotchkis Autocross Taxi and avid driving enthusiast. Kevin's goal for this car is to have a car that he can take to compete in events like Targa Newfoundland and Pikes Peak, so this car has to be fast, but it also has to be safe. It will be receiving a full FIA-based roll cage, a modern 6.4L Hemi and Legend GT-700 transmission transplant, full Hotchkis TVS suspension, and more. Stay tuned to this thread as we continually update it with new pictures of the build as we overhaul this former Mopar econobox.



As you can see, when the car first rolled in the shop it was already stripped down and had an old roll cage in it. Though it looked a little rough, it was in fairly good shape and the body was straight and mostly rust-free.



Even the roof was rust-free and only had the adhesive residue from the original vinyl top.
[SIZE=3]Step 1: Engine Mounts[/SIZE]

The first thing we had to do with the Dart was to get its new Mopar 6.4L HEMI and Legend GT-700 transmission into place. Once we determined how much clearance was needed for the oil pan, headers, steering rack, etc, we were able to begin to design the mounts.



Once we got all of our measurements, it was off to the drawing board. What we came back with was this beautiful piece:



Now we were free to create the frame mounts and test fit the mounts together. Here's the passenger side:



And here's the driver's side:



As you can see, the clearance is perfect and the new HEMI looks quite good in its new home.



More photos of the engine mounts here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157639748590773/

[SIZE=3]Transmission Crossmember:[/SIZE]

The final step to marrying the modern 392 HEMI and Legend transmission to the car was the fabrication of a new transmission crossmember. Here you can see one of our master welders and fabricators working on the end plate to the new crossmember:



And here's a close-up of his steady hands at work:



More welding:



Here's the finished product. Gotta love the color of welding:



And now to fitting the newly fabricated crossmember to the car:







More photos of the crossmember here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157639747282175/

[SIZE=3]Step Two: FIA-Based Roll Cage[/SIZE]

Now that the engine and transmission have been mounted, it was time to construct the roll cage. Because of the different races the owner wants to be able to use this car for, we needed to make sure that all of the safety equipment conformed to the necessary regulations so that it could be raced anywhere in the world. After consulting with the Rally America Competition Director Mike Hurst, it was time to begin the construction. But before we could do that we had to cut out a few sections of the existing cage.



Once the parts of the old cage were removed we began by constructing diagonal bracing and rear kicker braces that connect to the main hoop. Because this is going to be a leaf spring car, the rear kickers had to extend all of the way to the rear mounting points of the springs.





Now that the basics were covered it was time to add the increased protection required by the higher levels of motorsports. First up were the door bars, which help protect the driver and passenger from cabin intrusions from contact during wheel-to-wheel racing or from collisions with other objects. After laying out the design on the table, we bent the bars to match the pattern before fitting them to the car.





After the bars were tacked into place, we double checked all of the measurements and angles for compliance before fully welding all of the joints.



To make this cage as strong as possible, the main joints all received additional bracing and “taco gusset“ reinforcement.







A good roll cage will tie into the unibody structure in as many places as possible. Not only does this make the vehicle safer, but it dramatically increases the rigidity of the unibody, reducing chassis flex during hard cornering. Here you can see the installation of the A-pillar gussets that are critical for driver safety in the event of a roll over.







More photos of the safety cage construction here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157639747044065/
But a proper safety cage doesn’t just end at the firewall. It extends all the way through the engine bay to reinforce the front clip and add stiffness to the front of the car. This added rigidity helps handling by allowing the suspension to do its work without having to control chassis flex while also delivering improved driver safety.





Regulations require the mounting points to be 18 square inches, so to maximize area we developed a compact mount with multiple fingers to better fit the unique curves at the corners of the engine bay while also helping to spread the load over a larger area.







The next step to reinforcing the front end was to tie these new bars into the upper shock mounts. Like the star-shaped mounts on the firewall, these mounts are fabricated out of 16-gauge sheet metal and are designed to disperse the tremendous forces the upper shock mounts will see during racing events.











Here is the finished product with completed firewall, frame, and shock mounts:





Now it was time to work on the bay bars that will tie the two shock towers together. But before we could start designing those we had to check how much clearance we had between the engine and the hood.





Even thought he clearance was tight, there was still ample room to fit the bars without contacting the hood or the intake manifold. Now it was time to take our measurements and begin constructing the bay bars (which act similar to a bolt-in strut/shock tower brace in street cars).











After creating the basic structure of the bay bars we reinforced them with new gussets.











Here is the finished product with the ends trimmed down for access to the bolts for easy removal:







More photos of the Engine Bay Bar construction here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157639746540665/
Posted By: IndyDave

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/14/14 11:44 PM

Uh, WOW!
Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/14/14 11:47 PM

Some nice work in progress going on there!
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 01:42 AM

Beautiful

If you guys has a TV/Internet show just showing this build in a professional manner (not clown like) it would be awesome.
Posted By: PHJ426

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 02:46 AM

Quality work there.

Keep the updates coming.



Posted By: 340duster340

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 03:14 AM

awesome build. awesome welds.
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 03:14 AM

Thanks guys. I'll post more as the build progresses.
Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 03:56 PM

Love the build!
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 04:55 PM


I love the fact you're not gutting it to the outer skin and basically starting over with a tube chassis. You're working with the car as built.

I wish I had even 1/1,000,00th of the skill needed to pull off that kind of fabrication.
Posted By: jrlegacy23

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 06:44 PM

Looks great. Is it going to done in time for Carlisle?
Posted By: ntstlgl1970

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 07:24 PM

So in one of the pictures of the roll cage fab, there is an electric steering assist motor - are you going to include that in this build? That would be cool to see how that is done
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 07:37 PM



You never know with these things. The biggest limiting factor is overall vehicle weight and forces put on the unit by ratio and tire size. Always fun to try something new.
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/15/14 10:00 PM

Kevin has teased me with this hot rod for a while now and its also being shown on PT.com. Really good ideas from this build and to me that is the best part and why I appreciate you guys sharing what you do. Now if I could get David Barton to share a few details about his 850hp Gen III engines we would be golden lol...Oh and this thing is getting an electric assist steering setup from what Kevin has divulged in a couple posts elsewhere.
Posted By: teflon

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/16/14 12:10 AM

Awesome build and those welds are fantastic. It will be a shame to cover them with paint.
Posted By: NV69B7RR

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/18/14 02:27 PM

Thanks for sharing! You have some very talented fabricators at Hotchkis East. I look forward to the updates on this build. Keep up the great work!
Posted By: brads70

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/18/14 04:17 PM

Cool stuff!
Posted By: dickdale

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/18/14 05:35 PM

Nice build!
Posted By: Gavin

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/19/14 02:36 PM

Fabulous work, really looking forward to seeing this done and with Kevin driving too I expect it to shock a few people!!!
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/19/14 05:00 PM

Details on the electric steering conversion I posted on FABO.
_________________________
You shove the unit from a Vue/Cruze/Equinox under the dash and run a controller available on eBay.





I'm using a Hower 2:1 steering quickener between the column and the manual box. That will give me 12:1. If I want faster I can switch to a 20:1, or 16:1, box to speed it up more and even go to fast ratio idler/pitman to adjust even further.

Since $$$ seems to be a hot topic in the thread, let's look at how much is going into this solution.

Used Vue column $100
eBay controller $65
Howe Quickener $92
U Joints/Couplers/Steering Shaft $325
Borgeson Manual Box $380

Wow... $962 for a complete electric steering solution with steering box. Price out a new FFI box (or Borgeson), rebuilt column, pump, pulleys and it's pretty much a wash.

What really drove this decision? The headers... 2" TTI Gen3 will not clear any power steering box. It's a heck of a lot cheaper to put in this solution than have a set of custom headers built. Plus, better packaging, adjustable, etc...
Posted By: brads70

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/19/14 05:11 PM

Clever!
Posted By: ntstlgl1970

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/19/14 10:12 PM

I like this solution better than the electric assist as part of a rack since you can retrofit to more cars. Interested to see how you mount this up under the dash, assuming you need to add some extra support to counter the forces from the assist unit (tie into the pedal box/dash/firewall)? Also cool since it removes some weight from the front of the car and one less belt driven accessory. How much current does one of these pull? - wait I found it. 80A. So other than packaging, the only upgrade would be a high amp alternator it looks like.

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Posted By: PHJ426

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/20/14 02:14 AM

Is electric power assist steering better or just different?

It's definitely high tech either way.

I know my Ford Flex will parallel park itself with no driver input. I don't live in the city so I never use that feature of the electric power assist steering controls.
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/20/14 06:39 PM

Step 4: Alternator Bracket Design

One of trickiest parts about swapping an engine from one vehicle into another is getting all of the engine accessories to clear all of the sheet metal of the new vehicle's engine bay. After we swapped the modern 392 HEMI into our Project '76 Dart, we found that the factory alternator was just too big to fit without some serious modification to the car. Luckily, there was a better option than modifying the car to fit the alternator - finding an alternator to fit the car! The reason we could do this is because the factory alternator that came with the engine was designed to put out a lot of amperage to be able to support a modern vehicle's massive electronic system. Because this was going into a race car with minimal electronics we could utilize a smaller alternator that generated less amps, but we had to design an all new mounting bracket for it.

After selecting the new alternator, we set out looking at the available mounting holes in the block to determine the design of the new bracket. We needed to be able to move the alternator up to clear the chassis and forward to bring the pulley into alignment. Once we measured the location of the mounting holes we were able to make our initial design of the bracket out of cardboard to verify clearance and make the final adjustments to the design.





The next step in the process was to create a temporary metal bracket that we would use to really fine tune the alternator's position to ensure proper belt alignment before we fabricate the final version of the bracket.






See more images of the alternator bracket design here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157640291514085/

Step Five: Transmission Tunnel

The design requirement of the transmission tunnel on Project '76 Dart was much different than what most people are used to seeing. Because of the types of racing that Kevin will be doing, he asked that the front half of the tunnel be removable so that the transmission can be serviced and removed through the tunnel itself - much like in professional rally cars.

The first step of the process was to create the frame of the transmission tunnel. This framework was also tied into the safety cage through the supports rails for the racing buckets.






The next step was to construct the transmission tunnel support hoops which included both a removable hoop over the transmission as well as an integrated drive shaft safety hoop just aft of the front driveshaft yoke.







Now that all of the support hoops were in place, we were able to move forward with fabricating the skin of the tunnel itself. The permanent rear section of the tunnel was the first to be completed. After creating patterns to match the contour of the floor pan, we sketched out the locations for the tack welds onto the finished piece and secured it into place.






Next it was on to the first removable section which covers most of the transmission. The sheet metal was bent into shape and structural tack weld points were identified before the new piece was secured onto the front and rear brackets.




Here is the view down the mostly complete transmission tunnel. More updates to come soon.



For more pictures of the transmission tunnel fabrication click here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157642564086195/
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/20/14 07:34 PM

Few more reasons behind the alternator bracket...

1) Yes, you could use a stock 6.4 alternator and chop into the frame rail.

2) I didn't want to have to buy an almost $400 alternator (stock 6.4)

3) I don't need an alternator that kicks out 220 amps (stock 6.4)

4) The 5.7 alternator for VVT engines is still about $250 and is 160 amp, but the VVT's seem to not be readily available at regular parts stores.

I wanted to be able to go to any parts store, pick up a standard 5.7 Hemi alternator and be on my way. I don't want to be stuck somewhere without a simple option for replacement.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/20/14 07:41 PM

Quote:

Is electric power assist steering better or just different?

It's definitely high tech either way.

I know my Ford Flex will parallel park itself with no driver input. I don't live in the city so I never use that feature of the electric power assist steering controls.




To me it's both. Different because you dump all the hydraulics and engine driven stuff. Better because it's adjustable (dial in the assistance), it fits and less weight.

There is still going to be a draw on the engine with the alternator, so not sure what the difference in HP would be between the two.
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/20/14 08:13 PM

Quote:

Few more reasons behind the alternator bracket...

1) Yes, you could use a stock 6.4 alternator and chop into the frame rail.

2) I didn't want to have to buy an almost $400 alternator (stock 6.4)

3) I don't need an alternator that kicks out 220 amps (stock 6.4)

4) The 5.7 alternator for VVT engines is still about $250 and is 160 amp, but the VVT's seem to not be readily available at regular parts stores.

I wanted to be able to go to any parts store, pick up a standard 5.7 Hemi alternator and be on my way. I don't want to be stuck somewhere without a simple option for replacement.


6.4 cover must be different than 6.1, my alt clears good with lip removed off frame.
Posted By: brads70

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/20/14 08:30 PM

Love the tranny tunnel! Nice work!
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/20/14 08:44 PM

Quote:

6.4 cover must be different than 6.1, my alt clears good with lip removed off frame.




VVT cam moves it out 1/2 inch of something like that, so you can't use the 6.1 or earlier 5.7 alternators.
Posted By: PHJ426

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/21/14 12:51 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Is electric power assist steering better or just different?

It's definitely high tech either way.

I know my Ford Flex will parallel park itself with no driver input. I don't live in the city so I never use that feature of the electric power assist steering controls.




To me it's both. Different because you dump all the
hydraulics and engine driven stuff. Better because it's
adjustable (dial in the assistance), it fits and less weight.


There is still going to be a draw on the engine with the
alternator, so not sure what the difference in HP would be
between the two.





If you go by the physics of it....energy cannot be created or destroyed. ...only change forms. I see it as different and cool from my geek electrical / electronics / instrumentation background. Depending on how much you can tune it for the response you like and for the feedback you get is what I will be keeping a look out for. Are there other vendors selling controllers for this as well or is this option currently a one vendor deal?
Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/21/14 12:58 AM

Awesome build!
Kind of makes me want to go aluminum Gen III rather than aluminum LA
Posted By: Pale_Roader

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/22/14 10:33 AM


Neat build, but you guys sure aren't worried about weight are you...??? Starting with the heaviest A-body ever made and adding a LOT ov weight.

If FullMetalJacket wandered in here from the race-only section he'd have a stroke looking at those pictures...

Whats it going to weigh? Any idea?
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/22/14 03:54 PM

Quote:


Neat build, but you guys sure aren't worried about weight are you...??? Starting with the heaviest A-body ever made and adding a LOT ov weight.

If FullMetalJacket wandered in here from the race-only section he'd have a stroke looking at those pictures...

Whats it going to weigh? Any idea?




Under 3000. It started as a Dart Lite, so far from the heaviest a body.
Posted By: PHJ426

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/22/14 06:33 PM

From the searching around I have done on the EPS it appears that at low speeds the motor can draw as much as 50 - 60 amps in low speed maneuvering. If your doing a weekend of short low speed auto cross I would just monitor the voltage on the battery and see how it's handling it.

Granted your car has all the basics of a modern car, electric fuel injection, fuel pump, engine management and spark control along with the electric power steering.

If your battery voltage drops the engine management system will let you know.
Posted By: mopardamo

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/22/14 09:47 PM

Hello,

Love the build. What were the factors that made you go with the GT-700 trans? Did you consider the T56 and if so why did you choose not to use it?
Thanks

Damon
Posted By: boydsdodge

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/22/14 09:55 PM

What a great and fun read.
Thanks for posting this fantastic build.
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/23/14 12:57 AM

Quote:

Quote:


Neat build, but you guys sure aren't worried about weight are you...??? Starting with the heaviest A-body ever made and adding a LOT ov weight.

If FullMetalJacket wandered in here from the race-only section he'd have a stroke looking at those pictures...

Whats it going to weigh? Any idea?




Under 3000. It started as a Dart Lite, so far from the heaviest a body.


Is this thing going to have glass panels Kevin?
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/23/14 01:29 AM

Quote:

Hello,

Love the build. What were the factors that made you go with the GT-700 trans? Did you consider the T56 and if so why did you choose not to use it?



It started as a car that was all bolt together with no extra fab required. That has changed a bit. So, I already had the trans based on that.

Ultimately it didn't fit courtesy of the final engine position required for the headers and that required some tunnel mods. Since it was getting cut out anyway, might as well make it removable. Plus I needed good seat mounts and just tying something into the stock tunnel isn't very stong.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/23/14 01:36 AM

Quote:

Is this thing going to have glass panels Kevin?



Not to start. We'll see where the weight shakes out and if I need to put it on more of a diet.

Since it's a Dart Lite, the hood and decklid will only save about 40lbs.
Posted By: perlhaqr

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/28/14 06:48 PM

Quote:

I think the cat is pretty much out of the bag as to Hotchkis building a 76 Dart for Kevin on this site. The guys working on the car are the same folks who assemble all of our components we sell as well. So I think it is time for some pictures!

A good roll cage will tie into the unibody structure in as many places as possible. Not only does this make the vehicle safer, but it dramatically increases the rigidity of the unibody, reducing chassis flex during hard cornering. Here you can see the installation of the A-pillar gussets that are critical for driver safety in the event of a roll over.



The next step to reinforcing the front end was to tie these new bars into the upper shock mounts. Like the star-shaped mounts on the firewall, these mounts are fabricated out of 16-gauge sheet metal and are designed to disperse the tremendous forces the upper shock mounts will see during racing events.





Now it was time to work on the bay bars that will tie the two shock towers together. Here is the finished product with the ends trimmed down for access to the bolts for easy removal:







Well, dang. That's sure some amazingly pretty fabrication.

Please keep updating as you go along!
Posted By: perlhaqr

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/28/14 07:04 PM



What's the extension on the front side of the engine mount for?
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/28/14 08:03 PM

Quote:

What's the extension on the front side of the engine mount for?



Just mock up stuff.
Posted By: jcc

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/28/14 10:57 PM

Quote:

Quote:


Neat build, but you guys sure aren't worried about weight are you...??? Starting with the heaviest A-body ever made and adding a LOT ov weight.

If FullMetalJacket wandered in here from the race-only section he'd have a stroke looking at those pictures...

Whats it going to weigh? Any idea?




Under 3000. It started as a Dart Lite, so far from the heaviest a body.




So is the plan to ballast up to 3000? I see Mig and Tig going on here, so I assume this MS and not CM? With such an extensive build I would have thought Cm was a more favorable solution or is that not FIA approved? I wonder what vertical movement/flex might occur with the front bent tower connector brace under dynamic loads.

Your fabricators are talented.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 03/29/14 12:00 AM

Quote:

So is the plan to ballast up to 3000? I see Mig and Tig going on here, so I assume this MS and not CM? With such an extensive build I would have thought Cm was a more favorable solution or is that not FIA approved? I wonder what vertical movement/flex might occur with the front bent tower connector brace under dynamic loads.

Your fabricators are talented.




Chromoly is not allowed by the rules where I will run.

The only class to ballast up to would be that SCCA CAM class. I doubt this car will see much action in that class. Plus, I think that is with driver anyway, so it wouldn't be an issue.

USCA is "dry weight" or less driver as I read it and that would put me in the under 3k class.

If I really want to start taking weight out, I figure there is another couple hundred pounds moving to all fiberglass. Plus I could still do an alum block as well. Don't think I'll need it, unless I move to a small motor for some reason.
Posted By: rftroy

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/02/14 06:29 AM

Quote:

Details on the electric steering conversion I posted on FABO.
_________________________
You shove the unit from a Vue/Cruze/Equinox under the dash and run a controller available on eBay.





I'm using a Hower 2:1 steering quickener between the column and the manual box. That will give me 12:1. If I want faster I can switch to a 20:1, or 16:1, box to speed it up more and even go to fast ratio idler/pitman to adjust even further.

Since $$$ seems to be a hot topic in the thread, let's look at how much is going into this solution.

Used Vue column $100
eBay controller $65
Howe Quickener $92
U Joints/Couplers/Steering Shaft $325
Borgeson Manual Box $380

Wow... $962 for a complete electric steering solution with steering box. Price out a new FFI box (or Borgeson), rebuilt column, pump, pulleys and it's pretty much a wash.

What really drove this decision? The headers... 2" TTI Gen3 will not clear any power steering box. It's a heck of a lot cheaper to put in this solution than have a set of custom headers built. Plus, better packaging, adjustable, etc...




Kevin,
I saw this as a great alternative to running a manual 16:1 box in my Challenger since the factory power unit is an increase of almost 40 pounds.
That was before yesterday's news when GM recalled close to a million and a half cars for this faulty electric power steering unit.

So, first, do we know what the flaws in this unit are (they seem to have been corrected after 2010, judging by the recall parameters. Unless this box was discontinued after 2010) and can we, the users, implement any fixes?

Second, would you show us the structure you fabricate to mount the unit under the dash? This would save some wheel reinvention when I go to put mine in an E body.

I wouldn't think it would be too complicated. With the factory setup all the torque is provided by the driver and reacted by the steering box. The column mounts only have to take the lateral reaction loads.
With this electric box a lot of the torque, and a smaller reaction load, is now taken by the dash structure. Since people aren't too strong, I would think that the structure to react the loads would not need to be too hefty.

Have you got this structural reinforcement planned out yet?

Robert
Posted By: 67autocross

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/02/14 06:58 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Details on the electric steering conversion I posted on FABO.
_________________________
You shove the unit from a Vue/Cruze/Equinox under the dash and run a controller available on eBay.





I'm using a Hower 2:1 steering quickener between the column and the manual box. That will give me 12:1. If I want faster I can switch to a 20:1, or 16:1, box to speed it up more and even go to fast ratio idler/pitman to adjust even further.

Since $$$ seems to be a hot topic in the thread, let's look at how much is going into this solution.

Used Vue column $100
eBay controller $65
Howe Quickener $92
U Joints/Couplers/Steering Shaft $325
Borgeson Manual Box $380

Wow... $962 for a complete electric steering solution with steering box. Price out a new FFI box (or Borgeson), rebuilt column, pump, pulleys and it's pretty much a wash.

What really drove this decision? The headers... 2" TTI Gen3 will not clear any power steering box. It's a heck of a lot cheaper to put in this solution than have a set of custom headers built. Plus, better packaging, adjustable, etc...




Kevin,
I saw this as a great alternative to running a manual 16:1 box in my Challenger since the factory power unit is an increase of almost 40 pounds.
That was before yesterday's news when GM recalled close to a million and a half cars for this faulty electric power steering unit.

So, first, do we know what the flaws in this unit are (they seem to have been corrected after 2010, judging by the recall parameters. Unless this box was discontinued after 2010) and can we, the users, implement any fixes?

Second, would you show us the structure you fabricate to mount the unit under the dash? This would save some wheel reinvention when I go to put mine in an E body.

I wouldn't think it would be too complicated. With the factory setup all the torque is provided by the driver and reacted by the steering box. The column mounts only have to take the lateral reaction loads.
With this electric box a lot of the torque, and a smaller reaction load, is now taken by the dash structure. Since people aren't too strong, I would think that the structure to react the loads would not need to be too hefty.

Have you got this structural reinforcement planned out yet?

Robert




I have a 2012 Mustang with electronic power assisted steering and to be honest it has done a few strange things in the last few years. In the summer if you take a bunch of hard corners it sometimes will shake the steering wheel in your hand after you would pull it straight. And this winter I had the car out maybe 5 times and twice while driving it the steering stuck to the point I had to give it a hard snap to get it to turn, Ford did just put out recall for some of their other cars but not the mustang.
It does have good feel and you can change the steering effort with the push of a button.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/02/14 01:16 PM

Quote:

That was before yesterday's news when GM recalled close to a million and a half cars for this faulty electric power steering unit.

So, first, do we know what the flaws in this unit are (they seem to have been corrected after 2010, judging by the recall parameters. Unless this box was discontinued after 2010) and can we, the users, implement any fixes?



All the news I have seen revolves around the ignition switch for the recall and the power steering issues are for a different system (Cobalts, HHR's, etc...). There are some known issues and known fixes with the one I selected, but those are well documented and simple. When GM fixes it, they just swap out the entire unit, so the entire assembly is labeled as "bad". Typically you will see a burned up motor is this unit, which is available for replacement. Don't lump the Equinox/Vue unit in the with the Cobalts and HHR's. Different system that is being recalled.

One thing to remember, this system is adjustable. The motors burn up from slow parking lot, lock to lock, daily driver stuff. This thing isn't a daily driver. If you are worried about burning the thing up in slow stuff like that, turn the thing down. What's left? Your usual Mopar manual steering.

We'll see how it goes, but I'm not losing sleep over this. It's a very well documented swap in Europe on a lot of cars.

Quote:

Second, would you show us the structure you fabricate to mount the unit under the dash? This would save some wheel reinvention when I go to put mine in an E body.

I wouldn't think it would be too complicated. With the factory setup all the torque is provided by the driver and reacted by the steering box. The column mounts only have to take the lateral reaction loads.
With this electric box a lot of the torque, and a smaller reaction load, is now taken by the dash structure. Since people aren't too strong, I would think that the structure to react the loads would not need to be too hefty.

Have you got this structural reinforcement planned out yet?



When I have pics of the mounts they come up with I will post them up and detail the build.
Posted By: rftroy

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/03/14 05:03 AM

Quote:

Don't lump the Equinox/Vue unit in the with the Cobalts and HHR's. Different system that is being recalled.




Yep, you're right, I checked the recall list; I'm not up on GM vehicles.
Good to know. Thanks, Kevin. Time to hit the wrecking yards.

Looked up specs on Saturn Vue and Chevy Equinox. Saturn is about 3500 lbs., and the Chevy is 3926 per Chevy's website, so the power steering unit should be a decent match to a lightened Challenger, even with big tires.

Robert
Posted By: dezduster

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/05/14 09:04 PM

Wow I am seriously excited about this build on moparts. This stuff reminds me of the fabrication done to class 1 and TT in desert racing. Beautiful fab work excellent pictures, great write up and great responses to questions. Thank you for sharing.
Posted By: dangina

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/23/14 08:06 AM

curious any pics of the rear part of the rollcage? just curious as to how tied in the rear shock towers together
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/23/14 03:02 PM

When they get the next round of pics loaded the details should be in there.

I was down for seat and steering column placement a couple weeks ago and looked at it. The rear shock upper mount was all cut out. A new bar between the rails was fabbed and tied into the down tubes of the cage. It moves the upper mount out more so that the shocks are more vertical. Super beefy and reinforced so there shouldn't be any issues with durability.

You can see a little bit in this pic how far out the upper mount was moved.

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/23/14 03:12 PM

Looks like the rails are moved in a tad. That car should be rediculous.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/23/14 04:45 PM

Quote:

Looks like the rails are moved in a tad. That car should be rediculous.




Framerails are untouched. Wheel wells are opened up to the outside and you can see the inner tubs are stock.
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/23/14 05:01 PM

I was looking at the trunk supports and they're different on the Duster trunks. That makes it look like the inner tubs are moved in further. Optical illusion.
Posted By: NV69B7RR

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 05/15/14 03:56 AM

Any updates? I love this build!
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 05/15/14 01:59 PM

Some new updates... just pulled what the PR guys are doing on another site.

When we last saw the Hotchkis Performance East Project 76 Dart the transmission tunnel structure was built and welded into place with reinforcing plates and the sheet metal covering has mostly been finished.







More pics of the transmission tunnel here: Tunnel Pics

Radiator

Now that the engine bay bars have been built and the engine placement finalized, it was time to focus on the cooling system. Obviously for the rigorous racing that Project Dart was going to be used for an OE-spec radiator just wouldn't do. Instead, we opted for this robust all-aluminum unit from BeCool that will offer great reliability and tremendous cooling capacity. After we bolted the unit into place, it was time to secure it from the top to keep it from rocking back and forth. Rather than creating a simple two point brace, we fabricated an entire cooling tray secures the top of the radiator to the upper radiator support and also creates an air dam both in front of and behind the support to maximize the air flow through the radiator and prevent air from escaping over the top.













More pics of the radiator install here: Radiator Pics

Fuel Cell

Safety on a race car doesn't end at just the roll cage and racing seat. A properly mounted fuel cell must also be installed to make sure that the supply of volatile fuel remains safe and leak-free in the event of an on-track collision or off-track excursion. One other important factor when building the fuel cell is to make sure that the unit is level so that your fuel pickup(s) can get as much out of the cell as possible before it runs dry. If the compartment isn't level with the vehicle, you will have an accumulation of fuel on one side of the tank away from the pickup, effectively reducing the usable amount of fuel in the tank.











More pics of the fuel cell construction here: Fuel Cell Pics

Mini-Tub

Obviously one of the major keys to traction is how much rubber you can put in contact with the ground, and the easiest way to stuff as much tire under the rear end of a classic muscle car is to mini-tub it. Now because Project Dart will remain a leaf spring car, we didn't need to go to extremes to widen the wheel wells. We just needed them to be opened up and free of any potential obstructions.













More pics of the mini-tubbing here: Mini Tub Pics
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 05/15/14 02:28 PM

A few more pics in the other albums...







Firewall Pics







Rear Shock Pics
Posted By: 67autocross

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 05/15/14 03:57 PM

Holy F..............! Very Nice
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 06/09/14 02:11 PM

Some pics of the Dart from the Hotchkis East Open House before Power Tower.







Fiberglass Dash from Moparts member B1Cuda.
















Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 06/09/14 05:18 PM

Looks just right Kevin, what wheels? Can we put a 71 Demon nose on her?? That would require a hood change, not really something that is probably a priority.
Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 06/09/14 06:43 PM

Quote:

Looks just right Kevin, what wheels? Can we put a 71 Demon nose on her?? That would require a hood change, not really something that is probably a priority.




Hey, stop trying to make it so mainstream with a Demon front end. It's a '76 Dart Sport.

And I agree, those are nice looking wheels.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 06/09/14 09:23 PM

No Demon nose. It stays '76 ugly. Might try something with the grill some day, but nothing in the near future. Maybe some scoops where the turn signals are now and move the signals to the headlights or something.

Those wheels are quite popular for some reason. Funny thing is that they are just used to roll the car around. Offset is wrong and they are just $189 cheap Chinese wheels from Discount Tire. I actually had them laying around from the Satellite. Had to use them the first couple events because my Weld Wheels weren't finished yet.

MB Battle 18x9.5

Posted By: AlexP

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 06/09/14 10:26 PM

Are those +15 offset?
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 06/10/14 01:22 AM

Quote:

Are those +15 offset?




Yes, with a 275 on the Satellite. They had some minor rubbing at full lock and under hard lateral loads in the rear, but a small spacer would have fixed that. For the price, they are great wheels. Opened up the center with a die grinder. There is a lip that hits on the fronts.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/05/14 10:51 PM

Kevin, that build is over the top cool, fantastic work man!
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/07/14 01:36 PM

Quote:

Kevin, that build is over the top cool, fantastic work man!




Kevin and the guys at Hotchkis East are doing a great job. Just sorted out the final bit of the timeline and the car should be ready to be fired by mid August.

Good luck with the Valiant. The Brick should be back on the road by spring. That's the current plan anyway...
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/08/14 05:31 PM

Just a reminder of the type of events this car is being built to run...

2014 Manx Rally

I can't wait...
Posted By: JAMESDART

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/12/14 04:13 PM

what size tires are going on the back with just the outer tub removed? offset spring hangers or stock hangers?
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/12/14 11:23 PM

Quote:

what size tires are going on the back with just the outer tub removed? offset spring hangers or stock hangers?




295/40 for now with room to fit more and using stock hangers.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/13/14 12:05 AM

Quote:

2014 Manx Rally

I can't wait...






Nice knowing ya!
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/13/14 12:43 AM

Quote:

Nice knowing ya!




That type of tarmac stuff is what I love. Very challenging to say the least.

Here's another good one from the same guys...

2014 Manx Rally
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/13/14 12:57 AM

My first question....A manual trans? That should make things less technical.....NOT!
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/13/14 02:01 PM

Quote:

My first question....A manual trans? That should make things less technical.....NOT!



If I could column shift my 5 speed like this guy, I would...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6se7UKjARmY

If anybody knows how to get a column shift to work with a four speed in an early a body and still have reverse, post it up. I want one for an upcoming project after the Dart.
Posted By: JAMESDART

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/13/14 04:39 PM

Quote:

Quote:

what size tires are going on the back with just the outer tub removed? offset spring hangers or stock hangers?




295/40 for now with room to fit more and using stock hangers.




ok. im going to put 315s on my duster and don't really want to do spring relocation. I was thinking offset hangers, and remove the outer wheelhouse like that. it looks like it could work, but tight.
Posted By: brads70

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 08/04/14 12:30 AM

Anything new Kevin?
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 08/04/14 04:46 AM

Quote:

Anything new Kevin?



Getting closer. Plumbed for brakes now, wiring soon.
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 09/08/14 10:33 PM

Racing Pedal Assembly

We installed a Tilton Firewall Mount Pedal Assembly to take care of the brake and clutch pedals in the Dart. The Tilton unit is super robust and up to the task of the races that the owner of this car has planned. The pedal assembly has built in master cylinders for the clutch as well as separate ones for front and rear brakes, allowing us to precisely dial in brake bias.






https://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157646442451386/

Steering Column
We wanted to have a car that was easy to steer while driving around the pits, on and off of the trailer, and on a tight autocross track but could also have completely manual steering for higher-speed tracks. So we installed a Unisteer Electronic Power Steering system onto an Iditit tilt-wheel column along with a 2:1 steering quickener. We fabricated both the mount for the column on the dash bar as well as the mount for the quickener itself.






https://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157646085990379/

Fluid Reservoirs

Next, we fabricated a mounting bracket for the three Roush fluid reservoirs (Brake, Power Steering, and Clutch) on the engine bay bars.





https://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157646483745611/

Bumpers

For the car's bumpers, we needed something that was going to be lighter than the factory steel bumpers but just as strong. We fabricated a tubular bumper out of 1.25-inch (.083-inch wall) tubing and made it mount to the factory bumper mounts. Then we created a fiberglass bumper from the factory unit and riveted the fiberglass piece to the tubular bumper underneath. We did this for both the front and rear bumpers (though we are only showing the front here).




https://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157646084847510/

Interior

We also started work on the interior paneling and accessories. We created the template for the aluminum panels using paper and cardboard. After creating the templates we then transferred them to the aluminum sheet metal and carefully cut out the pieces before tacking them into place inside the car. We also added two battery boxes to the drive shaft tunnel behind the rear seat. The two batteries will eventually be connected through a BUS switch allowing the driver to switch batteries mid-race should one of the primary one go bad. Finally, we added a hydraulic hand brake lever so that the owner can quickly rotate the car on tight rally stages.






https://www.flickr.com/photos/hotchkis/sets/72157646085843329/
Posted By: boydsdodge

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 09/11/14 01:05 AM

HOLLY FRIG, You guys are rocking this build.
Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 09/11/14 03:20 AM

This build is amazing. Keep the pics coming!
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 09/18/14 09:21 PM

The original intent was to use stock parts available from the wrecking yard for the electric steering. During the course of the build, Unisteer came out with an Ididit column with electric integrated. Unfortunately, it was only available in chrome (yuk), but the price was good from Summit at about $1k.

With this combination of stock manual box, steering quickener and fast ratio arms (if they fit), the ratio options range from under 8:1 on up to standard 24:1. In it's current setup it's at 12:1.

Here are some more steering pics...





Posted By: dangina

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 09/19/14 06:56 AM

this build keeps on getting more baller as time goes on!
Posted By: RichV

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 09/28/14 12:22 AM

http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic....36d3a48960c8886


If anyone knows how to get a column shift to work with a four speed in an early a body and still have reverse, post it up. I want one for an upcoming project after the Dart.

Here's some info on this subject.
Posted By: ns1aar

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 09/28/14 06:13 PM

Some early 60s chevy vans had a 4sp column
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 11/18/14 12:23 AM

Some stuff I added to the thread on FABO today...

Some sheet metal work on the doors...







Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 11/18/14 12:28 AM

Bulkhead on the Hotwire Harness... yes this will all get wrapped when finalized.






Brake Bias mount...




Leaf Spring front hanger support...

Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 11/18/14 01:21 AM

Very nice!
Posted By: 70blackfish

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 11/21/14 05:50 PM

VERY NICE WORK!!!!!
Posted By: NV69B7RR

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 11/21/14 07:05 PM

Beautiful! The level of fab work on your car is amazing! More pictures please!!
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/12/15 06:28 PM

Wheels are on and the car is on it's suspension at the moment...

I went cheap on the wheels to start with since I'm not sure where this will end up for tire size. They will always make good rain wheels. Got them from American Muscle. They are 18x10 at 24mm and weigh 20.9 lbs for $210 each. Didn't think that was too bad for a wheel of that weight and size.











Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/12/15 06:45 PM

Some more fab shots and details...


Wiring with OBDII Port that will be used for the RacePak.


Dual Battery switch and isolator that is used for the FIA legal kill switch. There is a button on the cowl and on the dash that is used to kill the car. Details on their site Armtech .






At least I have a piece of Carbon Fiber on the car...


Racepak and Dash layout




Fuel Cell and pump leads


Dual pumps mounted in a surge tank. Switch on the dash to flip between if one fails.




Remote oil filter mount
Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/12/15 09:02 PM

I highly recommend getting the clear cover for the IQ3
250-DS-IQ3CVR
The one without a flange
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 01:56 AM

Love the build, helps me make up my mind on a lot of nick nack stuff. I will probably resign myself to nixing the glove box compartment for fuse box access and just have a tray in there for my registration and insurance to sit.
Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 06:28 AM

Quote:






So you can rear mount these calipers... Maybe my rough and dirty approximation of an alignment was a little funky.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 06:51 AM

Quote:

Quote:






So you can rear mount these calipers... Maybe my rough and dirty approximation of an alignment was a little funky.




But what UCA's is he using? And what diameter rotors and what/who's brake setup?
Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 06:58 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:






So you can rear mount these calipers... Maybe my rough and dirty approximation of an alignment was a little funky.




But what UCA's is he using? And what diameter rotors and what/who's brake setup?




He's using Dr Diff's, I asked him on FABO. I'd assume he's using Hotchkis' UCA's as they're building his car.
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 07:01 AM

That is my Stage 4 brake kit with Baer rotors and a slightly shorter caliper. I don't think it will clear the Hotchkis UCA, when mounted toward the rear, however.
Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 07:13 AM

Quote:

That is my Stage 4 brake kit with Baer rotors and a slightly shorter caliper. I don't think it will clear the Hotchkis UCA, when mounted toward the rear, however.




My experience proves this to be true... Granted my alignment was pretty rough and dirty, the bleeder was literally sitting right underneath the UCA at full droop.
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 07:29 AM

I'll call the HPE guys tomorrow and get the skinny.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 07:54 AM

Quote:

That is my Stage 4 brake kit with Baer rotors and a slightly shorter caliper. I don't think it will clear the Hotchkis UCA, when mounted toward the rear, however.




Are those 13" rotors or 14"?
Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 08:03 AM

Quote:

Quote:

That is my Stage 4 brake kit with Baer rotors and a slightly shorter caliper. I don't think it will clear the Hotchkis UCA, when mounted toward the rear, however.




Are those 13" rotors or 14"?




It looks like the same kit as mine with 13" rotors. If they were 14" they'd fill up the wheel almost completely. Have you ever seen OzHemi's setup with 14" rotors on an 18" wheel?

Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 02:37 PM

Quote:

Are those 13" rotors or 14"?




13", they say it clears, I've not been there to see it. If for some reason it doesn't, then they'll flip them around, or whittle up a new adapter to rotate the caliper down to clear.

Not way up there on my worry list at the moment...
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 03:56 PM

The rotors measure 13". I also have offset mounting brackets that move the caliper downward 1".
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *DELETED* - 01/13/15 04:13 PM

Post deleted by Consulier
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 05:36 PM

Spoke with the HPE guys this morning; they said that it looked good when they cycled it during mock up. They did it with the center link removed as well, so it was full against the steering stop.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/13/15 09:39 PM

Quote:

The rotors measure 13". I also have offset mounting brackets that move the caliper downward 1".




And that checks out to clear the tie rod and not change any caliper to inner rim clearance?
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/14/15 12:37 AM

Yes.
Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/14/15 04:03 AM

Quote:

Yes.




Do you have pictures and how much? Do they work in conjunction with the caliper adapters already provided in your kit or are they separate? Although, looking at the '76 Dart, it doesn't seem like he's using them.
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/14/15 05:16 AM

Your calipers are longer, so the offset brackets (which you already have) are required.
Posted By: MuuMuu101

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/14/15 05:21 AM

Quote:

Your calipers are longer, so the offset brackets (which you already have) are required.




Ah... So the kit on the '76 is an older Stage 4 kit?
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 01/14/15 05:30 AM

I built the prototype Stage 4 kit around a pair of sample calipers. The production calipers were longer, so I had to design an offset caliper bracket for additional clearance.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/16/15 06:18 PM

It's alive...

Dart Test Firing - If anybody knows how to embed video on Moparts, let me know and I'll update the post.

Very happy with the exhaust sound. It's using single chamber Magnaflows and will have a dump before the axle. Racepak dash is super cool and I'll probably not know how to use half of what it has. You can see on the switch panel it flips between 2 different screens.










The most expensive brake lines known to man... seriously


Red button on the left kills everything and there is another of the same on the cowel for external kill as well. Green button powers up everything. Red light next to the headlight switch is the electric power steering failure light in case it goes out. High Beams are on the floor and Front, Mid, Rear switches run optional lights in those areas, or interior pieces.




You can see the center head restraint net in this shot and the mounts on the door bars for window nets on both sides.


Straps in the trunk are used to hold a full size spare.
Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/16/15 06:28 PM

Very Nice!
For the RacePak there is a formula to input into the software to program the IQ3 to get a speedo signal from the transmission if it has an electronic output. You have to wire the electronic output on the trans to a USM box and then input a value into the software. The formula for the value or "factor" as the RacePak guys call it is:
tire height x 3.14 ÷ 12 ÷ 5280 ÷ rear gear ratio x 60

This is handy to have because the GPS speedo does not always connect when you need it or if you are in cities or tunnels

The IQ3 will at times freeze up but I just reset mine on and off and it works fine
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/16/15 06:57 PM

Quote:

This is handy to have because the GPS speedo does not always connect when you need it or if you are in cities or tunnels.



Yeah, it's setup with the GPS pickup in the back window now. I'll see how it goes. I have the pieces to use the pickup in the trans if I want to go that route later.

I'm looking forward to the lap times and such in the Racepak. So glad I went with that instead of standard gauges. It's just so compact and seems pretty easy to deal with.
Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/16/15 07:05 PM

To be honest I never ended up using the laptime feature on my RacePak it was just too complicated for me to figure out! I use the RaceChrono app on my smartphone instead. It is just way easier.

Cool seats by the way! Although I am surprised why you didn't go with a halo style seat to offer extra protection especially since you have a cage? Also I would recommend to install a sturdy back brace to your driver seat that ties to the horizontal bar right behind it. Makes the seating position soo much stiffer!
Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/16/15 07:42 PM

The car looks great and sounds great! Getting close!

Couple questions:
Are ya'll logging / monitoring brake pressure?
Did ya'll cut down the front bumper to get it closer to the body on the sides?

Once again - looks and sounds awesome. Can't wait to see it running.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/16/15 07:54 PM

Quote:

Cool seats by the way! Although I am surprised why you didn't go with a halo style seat to offer extra protection especially since you have a cage?



No Halo seats allowed at the 'Ring on Tourist days. I've got a Halo Sparco if I need to swap it in for anything serious. I had them put the center net in just in case those become required with Halo seats later.

Quote:

Also I would recommend to install a sturdy back brace to your driver seat that ties to the horizontal bar right behind it. Makes the seating position soo much stiffer!



I've never had an issue with seats moving around too much. I'm ok with it for the moment.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/16/15 08:02 PM

Quote:

Are ya'll logging / monitoring brake pressure?



No, haven't even ventured down that path yet.

Quote:

Did ya'll cut down the front bumper to get it closer to the body on the sides?



When it gets to the body shop we'll fiddle with the bumper mods.

For 2015, other than putting a fiberglass bumper on the rear, there will probably be little to no work done on the interior finishing, or the body work. I'm not going to lose another season to making it look pretty.
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/16/15 08:13 PM

Awesome! Like the trunk firewall, oh and every damn thing else too....
Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/17/15 01:03 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Are ya'll logging / monitoring brake pressure?



No, haven't even ventured down that path yet.






There is what looks like a honeywell type pressure sensor in the brake line. Is that something else? ha maybe I need a tutorial on which master cylinder is which.
Posted By: goldduster318

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/17/15 01:23 AM

Love the car...sounds great as well.

I was curious as to why those lines to and from the master cylinder had to be flexible? I suppose I can understand the ones from the reservoir but not the others. Seems like hard plumbing would have worked fine and had less volume consumption.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/17/15 01:43 AM

Quote:

There is what looks like a honeywell type pressure sensor in the brake line. Is that something else? ha maybe I need a tutorial on which master cylinder is which.



Brake light pressure switch. Has Tilton pedals, it was easier than fabbing a standard switch mount.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/17/15 01:57 AM

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I was curious as to why those lines to and from the master cylinder had to be flexible?



Because they called the plumbing guy that does all the Cup and Indy car plumbing, so he did it just like those cars. Unfortunately no one asked how much they would be before he made them. My kids found out when I cancelled Christmas to pay for my brake lines...

Sometimes things just get done on these builds and that's the way it goes. When it's at a shop, discussing it costs money, so not every decision is completely reviewed. Some just happen...

And no, I'm not bitter or complaining... it is what it is.
Posted By: cudazappa

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/17/15 04:09 AM

Looks and sounds great! Makes me want to build up a gen III hemi for my car!
Posted By: 68cuda440

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/17/15 05:24 AM

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For 2015, other than putting a fiberglass bumper on the rear, there will probably be little to no work done on the interior finishing, or the body work. I'm not going to lose another season to making it look pretty.




Quick, drive it and get it out on the track before scope creep sets in...
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/17/15 02:55 PM

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Quick, drive it and get it out on the track before scope creep sets in...



Scope creep set in many months ago...
Posted By: 68cuda440

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/18/15 03:35 AM

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Quick, drive it and get it out on the track before scope creep sets in...



Scope creep set in many months ago...




OK... goes something like this. Driver 1968 Barracuda, referred to by some of my friends as "Pro Patina". Car has what is left of the GG1 Forest Green that was applied in May of 1968 in Hamtramck, Michigan. I have owned the car since 1988 and it is a reformed street racer. 440 with ported iron heads + 727 with a Coan converter, 3.90 gears and a 16 gallon plastic gas tank in the trunk.

The wiring harness was a mess. Decided to do something about it. Hate the Jazz Fuel Cell, it has to go. Then, a few other things and, it would be a total pain to do all this work, then pull it apart again to paint it a year later - so we dove in. Nine months later it is at the body shop. Might as well convert it to a stick. Has to be OD, has to be able to handle 600+hp... T-56 Magnum conversion. Then, stumble across a must have intake manifold that I always wanted... and of course it needs to be EFI... do not want to cut the intake to fit the iron heads... time for aluminum heads... and it needs a hood that clears the intake...

Let's just say at least now it is in the assembly stage.

Before picture:

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Posted By: 68cuda440

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/18/15 03:38 AM

Engine Before:

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Posted By: 68cuda440

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/18/15 03:38 AM

And traded the 325 drag radials and 165R15 fronts for RT615k 295/40-18 rears and 255/40-18 fronts and some sizable brakes to go along with the suspension upgrades. Car now:

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Posted By: 68cuda440

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/18/15 03:42 AM

Got to love scope creep. Sorry about the "hijack" back to the regular scheduled program. Engine now:

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Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 02/18/15 04:23 AM

Wish we were closer.
Posted By: Dan@Hotchkis

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/23/15 08:50 PM

Hey folks, just dropping to to say that the car went on it's maiden voyage this weekend! A few more ends to tighten up and Kevin should be driving this thing home in a couple weeks!



https://www.facebook.com/HotchkisPerformanceEast
Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 03/23/15 09:19 PM

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Hey folks, just dropping to to say that the car went on it's maiden voyage this weekend! A few more ends to tighten up and Kevin should be driving this thing home in a couple weeks!



https://www.facebook.com/HotchkisPerformanceEast




So awesome. Congrats and can't wait to see it on track!

Posted By: boydsdodge

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 04/29/15 02:22 AM

I have loved watching this build.
Good luck.
Posted By: 48Heap

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/28/15 10:35 PM

What are the headlights out of?
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/30/15 03:47 AM

Originally Posted By 48Heap
What are the headlights out of?
Jeep Wrangler
Posted By: 48Heap

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 07/30/15 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By Consulier
Originally Posted By 48Heap
What are the headlights out of?
Jeep Wrangler


That's what I Was guessing but wasn't sure. Thanks!
Posted By: boydsdodge

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build - 11/04/15 01:31 AM

Hows the Dart build going?
Posted By: DemonDuster

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 08/14/17 08:15 PM

Whatever happened to this deal ? ? ?
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 08/15/17 02:33 AM

I think Dan left Hotchkis?
Posted By: NV69B7RR

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 08/30/17 03:48 PM

Did the Dart ever get to turn any tires on a racetrack?
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 08/30/17 05:12 PM

It would be interesting to see what happened to the car. Seems like something happened to derail the project. Not that that ever happens to any of my projects!
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 08/30/17 07:28 PM

Dan wasn't working on it. It was being built in North Carolina.

Kevin Wesley, the owner, I think has been racing Vipers in some pro class.
Posted By: 67autocross

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 08/30/17 07:44 PM

Did they ever show how the windshield would be installed in the car? The way they welded the cage to the pillars would not allow the factory rubber seal to fit from what I can see.
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/01/17 02:46 AM

The windshield can still fit fine.

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Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/01/17 08:15 AM

Is Dan dead ?
Posted By: 68rrunner

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/01/17 03:33 PM

Originally Posted By Frankenduster
Is Dan dead ?


Nope, I've just been super busy and not posting much. Still reading smile
Posted By: 67autocross

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/01/17 07:20 PM

I just did a windshield in my car and I don't see how you could use the factory gasket the way they welded those cage braces , of course you could just use urethane and stick the glass in like a new car.

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Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 04:59 AM

Originally Posted By AndyF
It would be interesting to see what happened to the car. Seems like something happened to derail the project. Not that that ever happens to any of my projects!


It's sitting in my garage on jackstands with the trans out of it. Needs a clutch and put back together. It's been sitting that way for 2 years now.

I told them when it was being built that if it got out of hand and wasn't finished when I got it back it would just sit. It got out of hand, clutch was installed wrong and now it just sits.

I've been spending my spare time with other programs now, so I have no idea when I'll get to this again. I really should just drop it off somewhere and have it finished... again.
Posted By: 67autocross

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 05:51 AM

Thanks for the update, I was hoping you would make it to Targa Newfoundland with it ...that car would be perfect for that event.
Posted By: 68rrunner

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 03:29 PM

Originally Posted By Consulier
Originally Posted By AndyF
It would be interesting to see what happened to the car. Seems like something happened to derail the project. Not that that ever happens to any of my projects!


It's sitting in my garage on jackstands with the trans out of it. Needs a clutch and put back together. It's been sitting that way for 2 years now.

I told them when it was being built that if it got out of hand and wasn't finished when I got it back it would just sit. It got out of hand, clutch was installed wrong and now it just sits.

I've been spending my spare time with other programs now, so I have no idea when I'll get to this again. I really should just drop it off somewhere and have it finished... again.


Still waiting for it to show up smile
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By 68rrunner
Still waiting for it to show up smile


Why don't you just fly in for a few days and knock it out here? That's a lot cheaper than me shipping it across the country.

Plus, if I have to actually package it all up to ship it, I'm sure it will just continue to sit. Zero time, crazier stuff to work on at the moment.
Posted By: Consulier

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By 67autocross
Thanks for the update, I was hoping you would make it to Targa Newfoundland with it ...that car would be perfect for that event.


Life has had some interesting turns with amazing opportunities for me the last couple years.

I built the Dart to run all the events, that I've currently been running... with other peoples cars. Weird how it has worked out. One of the reasons it's still sitting is because I've not needed it to run events. I've had other stuff available. Good for me, bad for the Dart, unfortunately.
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 05:31 PM

If your luck is anything like mine, when you need the Dart it won't be ready because you didn't have time to take advantage of it's down time to get it ready because you were busy do what you do.

It's a catch 22
Posted By: 67autocross

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 07:03 PM

Sometimes you end up doing things you never expect... I'm loading up one of my cars and leaving to Drag Week today... and I'm not even really interested in drag racing that much.

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Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 07:10 PM

Must be down under
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 07:37 PM

Yeah... Australian event?
Posted By: 67autocross

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 07:48 PM

I hope it's in the States...
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/08/17 08:20 PM

Probably be a good idea to keep the shiny side up
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Hotchkis 76 Dart Build *Updated 20 March 2014 - 09/09/17 12:38 AM

Want me to fly into town and finish that Dart for you? I'll bring my plasma cutter, bailing wire and bubble gum. Should have it up and running in no time!
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