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K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me?

Posted By: cudabitten

K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 02/29/12 02:44 PM

Hi, I guess the more I read here the more questions I have. It seems like the K-Member plays more of a part than just holding the engine, and tying the front end together.

What can you guys tell me about what goes on with this structure?
Looks like it's in a constant state of being pulled and pushed.
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 02/29/12 07:39 PM

I am learning more here every day. Some of the handling and cornering knowledge that I have began with my interest in Camaro/Firebird models back in 1986. Those cars are vastly different, but some principles do apply.
Regarding the K member and it's role, some members here, but not all, believe that some very simple modifications can be made to it to improve the car's handling. Some areas of the K member need to be better supported with better welds and more bracing. These mods are thought to increase durability and steering response.
Posted By: ThermoQuad

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 02/29/12 08:44 PM

My , not directed at the op, but my thoughts in general.

Just keep driving around on those un-welded, no steering box reinforced K frames and think your handling is great. But then again one must go test to see what really works. It's an ongoing process and only works if you are paying attention to details. A car's rotation thru the turn or lack of rotation is the final test.

I built a large, heavy, fast flat handling rwd car that steers like a car with rack and pinion and rotates well thru a high speed turn...how's that?...Do you think just frame connectors and spring boxes made that happen?? Hardly, however they do contribute but the welded k frame is the key. Show results not conjecture and theoretical hypothesis.

So let me know what you learned, in the meantime I am going back to the porch and take a long nap in the rocking chair.
Posted By: Mattax

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/01/12 02:19 PM

Frankenduster summerized the opinion on the situation.

There's a few things to look at in terms of construction; geometry, attachment and integrity.
Since the K's are not all the same, their rigidity is not all the same. When there are problems, they seem to primarily be the steering box mount, and integrity. By the latter I'm refering to seams that were a bit open when welded and things like that.

Since you (the OP) are going to be using this only as a driver, there is little gain to be had here if the integrity is OK. With sticky tires, high rate springs, sway bars etc, then stiffening the chassis becomes important. That said, poor weld joints and highly leveraged steering boxes can be a problem even on street driven vehicles. For example, there were some Dodge vans that had a reputation for having a problem with the steering box mountings.

My only caution to those with much stiffer springs etc is that if the car will ever be used for competition, be aware of the rules. Some sanctioning bodies do not allow seam welding in certain classes. In these cases care should be taken that the welds look to be either factory or acceptable repairs.
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/01/12 03:03 PM

And dont think that the K member is the only area that can be improved upon either..

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Posted By: cudabitten

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/02/12 04:29 AM

What is that?
Posted By: 68HemiB

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/02/12 05:07 AM

Inner fender. To orient you, the blue thing is the top of a front shock.
Posted By: cageman

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/02/12 06:30 AM

Is that a tire rub mark
Posted By: Viol8r

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/02/12 06:40 AM

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Is that a tire rub mark




That is why I don't run them. To be low they must go!
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/02/12 07:08 AM

Yep the 275s get lovey dovey pullin into the driveway. I think I have a solution, just dont have a bender. They dont rub going through a corner though thank goodness.
Posted By: Evil Monkey

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/06/12 12:18 PM

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That said, poor weld joints and highly leveraged steering boxes can be a problem even on street driven vehicles. For example, there were some Dodge vans that had a reputation for having a problem with the steering box mountings.




It wasn't just the Dodge vans either. I had the factory welds on my steering box mount fail on my Cuda, and it's never worn anything but street tires. There was a thread here a few years ago about reinforcing the steering box mount welds, and there were 5 or 6 others that said they had complete failures of the welds also. Some guys had some pretty exciting stories from when theirs failed, but I wasn't moving fast when it happened to me, so I got it stopped without hitting anything. Complete loss of steering, though, but if I was moving at highway speeds who knows what the results would have been.

I didn't know anything about welding up the K frame when I fixed the steering box mount, but the next time I pull the engine you can bet the K frame gets welded too!
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: K-Member role in suspension, what can you tell me? - 03/06/12 07:14 PM

Its a great idea and doesn't cost much!
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