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'66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project

Posted By: RSNAKE

'66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 12/20/09 06:53 PM

I am building this car to compete in the F.A.S.T. drag racing events. My website for this project is northernbel.com It is an original 426 Hemi car that was wrecked and parked in 1972. I bought it in 2007 on ebay out of North Carolina.







As you can see, it was in rough shape but restorable. It is missing the engine, trans, and rear. It does still have a title, VIN tag, build sheet, fender tag, and certicard.

I bought a clean nearly rust free donor car in 2008. Then after a false start with one restoration shop, I sent it to US Car Tool back in NC for their Body in White (BIW) program. They got both of the cars dipped in Oct. 2009


Then cut the dented and rusted parts off of the Hemi car in Dec. 2009. As you can see we are saving the core of the Hemi car including: all frame rails, full floor, roof, right front inner fender, firewall, and core support.


The plan is to have the car painted by the end of March and then begin putting it back together again. It may take longer than that to get it painted if I decide to send it back out for dip and e-coat after all of the metal work is done.

After that, it is back to Iowa for my Dad to begin reassembly. I expect the project to take another 3-5 years to complete, due to time and cash flow. I have put my vision of the completed car on this site before, but here it is again.

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Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 12/20/09 07:40 PM

Nice project. FAST means NO heavy bondo!

Sheldon
Posted By: cirrusaero

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 12/20/09 09:31 PM

Glad to see that you're saving the car. My brother has an original Hemi, 4spd Belvie II and I have a 66 Satellite survivor. if you need any parts, pictures or info just ask.

Good luck!
Posted By: CR8CRSHR

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 12/20/09 11:58 PM

Great to see it here also. Been following your progress and posts over on For B Bodies Only. Keep us posted....
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 12/21/09 02:39 AM

Looks great. Can't wait to see it
Posted By: Sinitro

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 12/24/09 08:14 PM

Thats very close to my 66 Belvedere II Hemi in dark metallic blue I purchased new in 1965. Its long gone...
But when I jumped back into Mopars a few years ago I looked around didn't find many 66s or 67s.. So I built my 70 RR B5, but I still like the look/lines of the 66/67. Here is shot of my 70 RR.

Good luck on your project!!

Just my $0.01...

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Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 01/28/10 05:33 AM

The crew at US CAR TOOL has made a lot of progress. All of the necessary sheet metal is cut from the donor car and prepped for welding back on to the Hemi car. They are doing test fits now and making any necessary adjustments.



They have really done a fine job of carefully cutting both cars apart. No more was cut from the Hemi car than absolutely necessary. No shortcuts were taken cutting the good parts from the donor car. Notice how they removed the entire trunk including the quarter panel drops from the donor car in one piece! They cut it off frame rails and all and drilled out all of the spot welds from the underside!





I have updated my web page northernbel.com with all of the latest photos. You can also see them at uscartool.com .
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 03/14/10 02:25 PM

There has been a lot more progress. Nearly all of the good sheet metal is mocked up on the car to make sure everything fits right and it is square and level.

All of this metal will be welded in place over the next couple of weeks. The next step after that is the Chrome-moly roll cage.

To see more pictures click the title of this post or go to:
northernbel.com and click on Photos in the menu or just click:
http://www.northernbel.com/images/photos







Posted By: Race&Resto

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 03/14/10 04:02 PM

RSNAKE, very cool Hemi project!
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 04/18/10 06:03 PM

US Car Tool has nearly completed the roll cage. The main cross bar behind the front seat still has to be installed. All of the joints will be fully welded. There will be some gussets added and features such as swing-out / removable door bars and a window net.

I hate having to put one in this car. However, to be able to use it as I intend, it is required. This cage is constructed out of TIG welded chrome-moly tubing and will be NHRA and IHRA legal to a quarter mile time as fast 8.50.

A lot of care was taken to try to hide the cage as much as possible while still remaining a legal cage. The front down bars run along the A-pillars and through the top of the dash. The top bars are tucked up very close to the roof while still leaving room for a headliner. The main hoop is positioned behind the chrome strips that seal the front and rear side windows. The rear down bars follow the c-pillars as close as possible while still going through factory openings in the package tray. The door bars are shaped to meet the rules and go over the top of the factory door mounted arm rests. The car will be fitted with electric windows so there won't be any interference with the cranks. Additionally the door bars will be fitted with hinges and latches that allow the bars to either swing open or be removed entirely for street use.

In addition to the cage, these pictures show the installation of the US Car Tool sub-frame connectors. These connectors are laser cut to follow the contour of the underside of the factory floor. The combination of the roll cage and these connectors should make the unibody very stiff, at least compared to how it left the factory.

Check out more information at northernbel.com or uscartool.com



















Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 05/03/10 03:56 AM

Northern Bel has completed the US Car Tool Body-in-White (BIW) program. There are updated photos on Northernbel.com showing the details. All of the metal work is done. The body is now straight and rust free. The roll cage is done and sub-frame connectors are installed.

The next step on my project is to send the car out for an e-coat dip. It was not easy to find a place to dip a car this size but I did find one. A jig is being built and then the body will be mounted sidways in the jig and dipped.

One of the requirements for dip is that there be no sealed areas where vapor can get trapped. Due to this, 3/16 inch holes will be drilled at both ends of all roll cage tubes to allow the liquids in all of the tanks to enter and leave each tube. This will prevent potential explosions going from one tank to another. It will also assure that liquid doesn't collect during dip and then harden in the tubes during bake.

After e-coat, it is finally time for paint. Included in the updated photos are some paint samples shown against the inside of the original trunk lid. The darker sample was shot with paint that is supposed to match the correct factory paint code. The lighter sample was shot with paint created by scanning the trunk lid. I need to decide on the shade and who will paint the car.











Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 11/14/10 10:36 AM

Northern Bel has been e-coated! To recap... the car was acid dipped. All the metal work was done. Now the car has been e-coat dipped at an industrial facility using PPG Powercron 590.

This process submerges the entire car in a series of tanks that clean, prepare, and coat the metal. The entire car is coated, inside and out. Every crack and crevice, in which water can go, has now been coated. This process should provide excellent corrosion protection and a good surface for final body work and paint.





Double click the video below to watch the process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9zh3nZMVFE
Posted By: BEEQUIK

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 11/14/10 01:19 PM

WOW= that is very cool.I wonder how many gallons of primer must be in that tank? Did it then get baked dry?That is fun to watch I would love to go watch that happen sometime.Wher is that place? Did you decide on a color? It took me a while to settle on a color of blue for my dads car,now it is almost back together.Looks like a very cool project , I have a 69 RR to do I would love to hav that thing dipped like that.How much does that process cost?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 11/14/10 04:40 PM

Now thats what I call redoing a car properly. I say dipping the car is the only way to really clean the whole car and then dunk and prime.......that's 100% in my book. Awesome!
Posted By: demon440

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 11/14/10 05:33 PM

That is very cool, would love to do
my Demon like that.
Only thing I see wrong with that process is
how do they get full coverage,when they don't
rotate or flip the parts around while submerged.
It seems like there would be air pockets that
don't get covered.
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 11/14/10 05:43 PM

Quote:

That is very cool, would love to do
my Demon like that.
Only thing I see wrong with that process is
how do they get full coverage,when they don't
rotate or flip the parts around while submerged.
It seems like there would be air pockets that
don't get covered.




Small holes are required to be drilled on any closed areas that you are not absolutely sure are air tight. Otherwise, the air could escape in a big bubble in the process and send chemical flying.

For example, inspection size holes were drilled on all of the roll cage tubes to allow the coating to flow into and out of the tubes in the process.
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 11/14/10 05:53 PM

Quote:

WOW= that is very cool.I wonder how many gallons of primer must be in that tank? Did it then get baked dry?That is fun to watch I would love to go watch that happen sometime.Wher is that place? Did you decide on a color? It took me a while to settle on a color of blue for my dads car,now it is almost back together.Looks like a very cool project , I have a 69 RR to do I would love to hav that thing dipped like that.How much does that process cost?




I think that it did get baked dry. I will double check that and post back.

I haven't decided on a specific color. It will be '66 Dark Blue Metallic, or something close. I can appreciate the difficulty that you had in choosing a color. It is not an easy decision and it has a HUGE impact on the final project. The picture in your post is beautiful. I think that color looks great on that car!

The e-coat process itself is not that expensive. However, I had to get the cage that it is in custom built. Add that to the transportation and the total cost was close to $3,000. Now that I own the cage, doing another one would cost a lot less. I plan to keep the car for the rest of my life and I plan to use the car, not leave it parked in the garage. Because of this, I wanted the extra protection that e-coat offers and felt the cost was worth it to me.
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 11/15/10 12:58 AM

I think the cost and trouble for the E-coat is probably the best money you'll spend on this project. Well worth it. Nice progress BTW.

Sheldon
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 01/22/12 04:57 AM

It has been a long time since I last posted and update. The project got stalled for a while. I made a change in direction and it is now moving along well again.

I decided to build it more along the lines of a pro-touring car rather than for the F.A.S.T. races. There are a number of reasons, but it basically boils down to the fact that I want to be able to use this car for a lot of different types of driving. Building it to be truly competitive in F.A.S.T. would have meant too many sacrifices for other uses that I wasn't willing to live with.

The car is currently at Rad Rides by Troy. The plan is to go with an aluminum 572 Keith Black Hemi with remote (behind the rear axle) twin turbos. The transmission will be a GM 4L80E with a gear vendors OD behind that (there is an OD in the trans and the GV will be double OD).

Suspension will use the full Hotchkis set up including their upper A arms, torsion bars, leaf springs, and sway bars front and rear.

Brakes are Wilwood 14" six piston front and 11" four piston rear.

Tires will be 255/40ZR18 front and 275/40ZR 18 rear for street use and 255/60/15 drag radials in the back for drag use.

You can see all of the details at my updated web site NorthernBel.com







Posted By: Anselmi

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 01/22/12 04:57 PM

David, good to see you making progress... I was allready wondering why there was no updates on your website
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 01/26/12 04:20 AM

I just got back from another visit to Rad Rides. A lot of parts have come in:
Hotchkis suspension components
Mod Man intake
Wilwood brakes
Magnum Force 2" drop spindles
Strange Dana S60
SFI Spec 4L80E transmission shield

Also Bob Sweeney from FX Engines met me there and we had a long conversation about the engine specs. Clearly I still have a lot to learn and a lot more research to do before nailing down all of the specifics. Very knowledgeable guy that built a land speed record engine for Blow Fish.

Note in the picture below that the engine bay is further cleaned up and the seams between the inner fenders and the firewall have been welded. Also the seam between the cowl and the firewall has been ground back, welded and ground smooth.











Posted By: NV69B7RR

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 01/27/12 05:40 AM

I cannot wait to see that car finished!! To say its in good hands now is an understatement. Troy and employees are beyond talented. Keep up the progress pics.
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 02/04/12 02:45 AM

In these photos Rad Rides demonstrates the importance of mocking up as much as possible before final weld and well before paint. When we were planning to build the car for F.A.S.T. racing, I would have used a Chrysler 727 transmission. Now that we are going the pro-touring route and using the GM 4L80E & Gear Vendors Over Drive, the floor had to be cut to make room in the transmission tunnel. Once we did that, the NHRA rules require adding a few more bars to the roll cage. We have to put in one connecting the front bars that follow the A pillars. We also have to add in bars that run on the interior of the car along the rocker panels.

It is common to leave the front connecting bar exposed, either on top of or below the dash. In this build, Rad Rides carefully found a way to conceal it entirely behind the dash. Note in the pictures how it clears the Vintage Air unit, gauge cluster and wiper control, wiper linkage, and radio.

After going that far, Troy really liked the idea of adding the bars connecting the front of the roll cage to the front sub-frame, just above the engine K member. This will add that much more stiffness to the chassis to resist warpage from engine torque. It will also make a more stable platform for the suspension to be able to do its job. It definitely won't look stock, however as Troy pointed out, the cage is in the car is going to be pretty obvious to begin with. Also, they will do a nice job of blending the bars into the engine bay along the inner fenders.



















Posted By: NV69B7RR

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 02/04/12 03:54 PM

Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 02/04/12 05:39 PM

Thanks for the encouragement.

I would love more feedback. If anyone has comments or questions, please post.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 02/05/12 12:52 AM

Great project, I had a 66 Satalite before. That's some serious money going into the car with Rad Rides involved Are you planning on using drum brakes on the rear? How much HP are you wanting to achieve? Keep the pics coming, it keeps me motivated while I don't have time to work on my car.
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 02/05/12 08:46 PM

I am using 11" Wilwood discs with 4 piston calipers in the back. The shot showing the drum looking actuator is just the Wilwood emergency brake assembly that will be inside the disc hat on the rear.

I don't have a specific horsepower goal yet. I am shooting for 1,000+ on pump gas. I think that should be achievable with a relatively reliable build. I think I can hit between 1,250 and 1,500 running race gas and higher boost levels, but I am not sure about that yet. I know it could be done building it as an all out race motor, but I want to build the thing so that I can drive 300 miles, change tires, run it at a track, and drive it home without lifting the hood.
Posted By: Race&Resto

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 03/06/12 11:58 PM

Well it's been almost 2 years since my last post in this thread and all I can say is wow, that is going to be one sick 66 Hemi Belvedere II. This build sure has taken a different direction, but I hope you are still keeping the exterior of the car stock appearing, because everything else about it is over the top. Also what type of wheels are you going to be using, anyway keep us updated.
Posted By: superbee68

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 10/24/12 06:36 PM

where did you get the body e-coated....city.....facility
Posted By: RSNAKE

Re: '66 Belvedere II Hemi Car - Northern Bel Project - 11/04/15 03:43 AM

It has taken a LONG time, but the car is finally done.

I created a Facebook page for easier updates:

facebook.com/NorthernBel
Northern Bel

This is a link to the teaser article posted on the Hot Rod web page:

Hot Rod Northern Bel SEMA

http://www.hotrod.com/events/1510-sema-2...legit-hemi-car/

Thank you to all of you from Moparts that have helped me with information and advice over the years!!!!
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