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70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build

Posted By: Darius

70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build - 01/20/09 10:18 PM

Hi all
I started a post long ago I called MAJOR Score!!!
I cannot locate it in the search function so I thought I would just start over in here. I put all the pics on photobucket anyway since I cannot figure out how to post more than one pic per post.
Here is the plan
1970GTX to start with. I bought an insurance totalled 2007 Charger R/T that still ran and drove (rear end damage)
My plan is to take as much as I can out of the Charger and install it in the GTX. Motor, auto transmission, computers, disc brakes all around, bucket seats, it even had a satellite radio but I will use a different unit.
I bought an AlterKtion front end and a 4 link rear. I also am installing the XV frame stiffening package and one of their EFI fuel tanks.
Exterior will be primarily stock except for minor changes i.e. 16" Torque Thrust D (need 16 to fit brakesand calipers from the Charger) and the rear view mirrors will be painted ralley/race style ones from that era.
I got WWWAAAAAYYYYY delayed by the rust exposed when we media blasted the GTX. It is easier to say what REMAINS of the GTX
firewall (upper cowl replaced)
rear frame rails
floor from forward trunk seam to rear footwell seam
Roof
A pillars
inner rocker panels
inner front fenders
EVERY OTHER BODY PIECE has been replaced by AMD stuff or donor car parts!
Inside will have a custom built dash and center console and katzskin leather in blue and white
B-5 is the color with a white vinyl roof.

You can see the carnage, Charger,and progress on my photobucket site.

http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll40/DariusCRCKBR/

I will post updates as progress warrants. Right now it's all about plug welding and grinding at least 1500 spot weld holes!
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build - 02/14/09 01:54 PM

I got to use the spot welder for a change....what a relief!!! Sure wish I could do the whole thing this way.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build - 02/14/09 01:57 PM

Another pic. The trunk gutter was a piece of cake this way. Too bad there are some holes to plug from removing the old gutter.

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Posted By: 4speeds4me

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build - 02/14/09 05:29 PM

WOW Darius! That's some MAJOR surgery! Looking good, though...
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build - 04/14/09 01:03 PM

Trying multiple pics in one post here.
I use AMD patch pieces for the bottoms of both sail panels.....you know the place that ALWAYS is rotted on these cars?
GREAT fit! Keep in mind I have NEVER cut a hole in a car and welde a patch back in, this was a piece of cake and the pieces fit like a glove!
I HAD some pics posted here but they got deleted???
Follow this link to see pics
http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll40/DariusCRCKBR/Bodywork%20Pics/
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build * UPDATE* - 04/18/09 03:31 AM

I was able to finally rotate my car on the rorisserie today! I was beginning to think I would never get here. Here is a link to all the pics but I will post this one now
http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll40/DariusCRCKBR/Bodywork%20Pics/

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build UPDATE - 05/17/09 02:06 PM

I got my frame connectors installed. This thing is solid now!

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build UPDATE - 05/17/09 02:08 PM

I hung my doors and fenders for test fit...not too bad considering this car was down to a floor and roof supported by false work. The fit is workable for sure!
Lots more progress pics here
http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll40/DariusCRCKBR/Bodywork%20Pics/

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Posted By: hotrod98

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build UPDATE - 05/22/09 11:33 PM

Looking good Darius.
I used a Lenco spot welder back when I worked for a dealership body shop. They save a lot of time. I've been trying to find a nice used one to use here at my new shop.
Can't wait to see this one finished.
Posted By: a12superbee

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build UPDATE - 05/24/09 05:55 AM

Wow, incredible looking at the resto pics.
I sure wish I had that skill set.
Posted By: HEMICUDA

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build UPDATE - 05/24/09 09:38 AM

Very nice work Darius!! One thing to keep in mind is, with your frame connectors, you'll have to put a through hole in them for the parking brake cable to go through if you're installing one. Don't ask how I figured that out.
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build UPDATE - 05/26/09 07:07 AM

I actually have two "thru sleeves" in the cross member just inside the inner rocker on both sides and I have a "pull " wire running thru the right frame connector so I can pull my battery cable from the trunk up without having it exposed. The plan is to mount fuel and brake cables to the sides of the frame connectors since they present such a nice tall flat surface.
I'll post pics when we get around to that. There have been many discussions about that sort of thing. I even have pull wire inside both rear frame rails since I had the trunk floor out. There will be minimal wire exposed in this car when it is done.
My 30 years of remodeling work has paid off here as I am always thinking about how to conceal wire and pipe!

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build UPDATE - 05/27/09 12:37 AM

I see how you feel my pain, awesome work you are doing and I certainly think you have bigger gumbos than me.
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-5-30-09 - 05/31/09 01:07 AM

Got my AlterKtion test fitted today...sweet!!!
I only had to drill 4 holes and everything else bolted right up as advertised.
GREAT job Bill in the mfg of these units!!!
I have NEVER attempted anything like this and I got it done in about 5 hours. having my car on a rotsserie made it a lot easier.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-5-30-09 - 05/31/09 01:09 AM

Another pic

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-5-30-09 - 05/31/09 01:23 AM

Very nice Darius, just what I want but pricey. Keep up the great work.
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-7-2-90 - 07/03/09 02:12 AM

Hi Guys
Been busy lately with work finally picking back up but I have managed to get my 4 link installed and make the car a roller again. I posted the Alterkation pics so here is a 4 link one.
Easy install and I welded it all in, I would not feel comfortable just bolying it in...although it is a pretty easy thing to do.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-7-2-90 - 07/03/09 02:15 AM

This is not a very exciting pic in and of itself but I sure was excited to get this car back on it's own feet.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-7-2-90 - 07/06/09 03:22 PM

Looks fantastic!!!!!!
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-7-14-09 - 07/15/09 01:29 AM

I got the motor/trans assembly mounted on the alterktion and installed in the car today. Here are some pics of how it looks and a few of the clearance mods worked on today.
This first one is the tunnel/hump cutout. We may have to butterfly the length of the tunnel also as the w5a580 sits rather high but will know better once we get the trans mount fabbed up

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-7-14-09 - 07/15/09 01:31 AM

Here is a frame rail mod I had to make to clear the stock exhaust manifold flange. TTI does NOT make a header for the 5.7 using the w5a580 as the pipes won't clear the starter....according to the design engineer at TTI!

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-4-09 - 08/05/09 12:17 AM

Here are some pics of the 5.7 with the w5a580 installed with the new transmission mount we fabbed up

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-4-09 - 08/05/09 12:18 AM

#2

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-4-09 - 08/05/09 12:19 AM

3

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-4-09 - 08/05/09 12:19 AM

4

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-4-09 - 08/05/09 12:20 AM

5

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-4-09 - 08/05/09 12:22 AM

Here is the piece we cut out to clear the trans hump fit back into the car. All we will have to do is cut some extentions to raise the hump appx 1"

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Posted By: sogtx

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-4-09 - 08/05/09 01:53 AM

now thats hot rodding
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-17-09 - 08/17/09 11:51 PM

Here are some more pics of the transmission mounting. We turned a piece of aluminum to replace the rubber dampner on the w5a580. This allows us to bolt on a "U" joint which further allows us to use a slip yoke. Custom drive shaft is in progress.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-17-09 - 08/17/09 11:51 PM

New piece

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-17-09 - 08/17/09 11:52 PM

new piece installed

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-17-09 - 08/17/09 11:55 PM

We cut holes in the cross member and "sleeved" them with 3" dia pipe for the exhaust to run through instead of having to wrap them under the frame. This will show up better in furure pics

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-17-09 - 08/17/09 11:59 PM

Here are 2007 Charger R/T front disc brakes on a 70 B Body with an Alterktion.Bear hubs on the MustangII spindles. Had to turn a small spacer to fit on the hubs for the difference in the rotor dia and hub dia

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-17-09 - 08/17/09 11:59 PM

closer...see the aluminum ring at the hub/rotor connection?

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-17-09 - 08/18/09 12:01 AM

Here is the mount we had to make for the caliper...it will get "shaped" niver and cleaned up some.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-17-09 - 08/18/09 12:01 AM

Another view

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/25/09 12:37 PM

we got the rear brakes from the 07 Charger on the 8 3/4 axle.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/25/09 12:38 PM

another view

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/25/09 12:40 PM

The bracket from the Charger was cut down and turned on the lathe to fit around the flange on the 8 3/4 axle housing.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/25/09 12:42 PM

Mounted on axle...se how it now fits around the flange?

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/25/09 12:44 PM

The backing plate was filled in with a piece of same thickness steel and re-drilled to the correct dia to fit this application.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/25/09 12:45 PM

Here is a pic of the nbracket from the Charger and how we cut it so it would work

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Posted By: darkrider2

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/28/09 08:09 AM

Looking great Darius, you still planning on going with the B5 blue?
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/28/09 11:42 AM

Here is my "motivation" picture

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 09/28/09 11:52 AM

Slow down your making me look bad.
Posted By: darkrider2

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 10/01/09 05:22 PM

sent you a pm Darius
Posted By: Bakaruda

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 11/29/09 01:31 AM

Car looks great. I have know Bill for years and he is a great guy. I have a Alterkation and I am building a 4 bar rear.
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 11/29/09 04:58 PM

Well guys & Gals, I have been slowed on car progress by the economy....suprise, suprise.
i have had to lay off all of my employees but one which means my partner and I are back in the field building kitchens and baths.
There is some progress happening and I may be able to get some pics this week,of the stainless exhaust system. it is looking good with quick disconnects for easy maint. The way the pipes go THROUGH the cross frame rail is VERY cool!
Furstrating that now when The only real big expense left is paint and upholstry I don't have the time to go work on it!
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 08/21/10 05:16 AM

Finally got some time to work on the car again. I'll post pics in the morning of the 07 Charger dash assembly and console in the 70 GTX.
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-21-10 - 08/21/10 04:37 PM

I got the entire dash assembly installed in my GTX.
It was almost as if the engineers for the new LX Charger was thinking "somebody might want to put this in an old B Body" when they designed it, the fitr was that close.
I even got the HVAC box to fit in very nicely, grtting the duct work installed will be a challenge but it is doable.
I realize many of you may not care for this "mod" but it is what I want and I am happy with it so far.
For lots more pics than this site will allow go to
this link.
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=1121&page=6

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-21-10 - 08/21/10 04:38 PM

Another

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-21-10 - 08/21/10 04:39 PM

Here is the subframe installed with the HVAC box behind it

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-8-21-10 - 08/21/10 04:50 PM

It is looking real good Darius, I for one love resto mods so please continue!
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 08/21/10 05:59 PM

Quote:

Slow down your making me look bad.




Did I take enough down time for you to catch up??
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 08/21/10 06:13 PM

Wow, I'm impressed!
I'm guessing you will have almost ALL the creature comforts of the donor car, not JUST the engine.
I'm a little bit of an "old school" guy usually, but I sure want to see how your car turns out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 08/21/10 07:45 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Slow down your making me look bad.




Did I take enough down time for you to catch up??




I am almost a half a roller minus the axles and spool/Locker
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 12/25/11 05:33 PM

Suprise!
I finally got some time in. I have a more complete pic post on bbodies only 66-70 forum called "b body stiffening"
Here is a pic of the brake pedal/linkage and you can also see how I fit the steering column using the original column mount bracket

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 12/31/11 03:31 PM

I got the steering linkage done finally. I figure all told I have appx 30 hours in messing with this part of the swap. A lot of in-and-outs and mock ups to make sure it would be just right before fabbing up the mounts for the Heim joints. This will take a few separate posts.
This first one is the end of the Alterktion frame. I added appx 2" and mounted the lower Heim joint there plus capped off the end so crap won't collect in there.

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 12/31/11 03:32 PM

Here is the bracket I fabbed up

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 12/31/11 03:34 PM

Here it is installed with the end cap welded on. I just tacked this in , I will finish welding when we take the engine out for paint

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 12/31/11 03:36 PM

Here is the mount for the upper Heim

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 12/31/11 03:37 PM

Top view of it all

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Posted By: johnscudashop

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 01:47 PM

This looks great!!! , I like how your using the modern dash cage and console from a LX car. Great fab work. Keep us posted.
Posted By: JDMopar

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 05:17 PM

Quote:

This looks great!!! , I like how your using the modern dash cage and console from a LX car. Great fab work. Keep us posted.




... and the thing that really impresses me about this build, is that you used the brakes from the LX car on your GTX. From all that I have learned while gathering parts and ideas to put the 5.7 in my Duster...is that the NAG1 5 spd automatic won't work no way/no how without the brake system being incorporated also. I chose the easy way out and bought a low mile 545RFE out of a 2wd Hemi Durango. For me, the floor pan is easier than fabbing the brakes.
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 05:31 PM

I have read a lot of threads on this kind of swap and have never seen a reference to the brake/trans issue you mention.
I hope that is NOT the case as I was able to get the brakes themselves swapped over but I am not doing the anti lock part of the brake system.
Where did you see that discussion?
Posted By: JDMopar

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 05:51 PM

Just from talking to Mopar transmission guys. The NAG1 doesn't have input or output sensors, so it gets it's MPH readings from the brakes. They supposedly take the readings from the antilock brake sensors, average the 4 readings and that is what tells the computer...to tell the tranny when to shift. If you have the antilock parts,check on this before you rule out using them. You've done a lot of nice work installing the LX dash, so if I was doing the same...I would use every inch of wiring from the Charger if you have it. The antilock brakes can be a PITA, but they can be a good thing too.
Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 06:08 PM

I do still have all the brake parts from the parts car as well as the entire wire harness and computers. The intent is to use everything stock. The only things we decided not to swap over were the entire rear end....too much modification to make it work well, and the anti-lock component.
My transmission is a w5a580. Not sure how much, if any, difference there is. I know the Nag1 is from trucks mostly but they are similar. Not being a transmission guy I really cannot say.
Posted By: JDMopar

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 07:30 PM

The W5A580 is the NAG1, and the 545RFE is the truck transmission. I'll try to get some pics of my 545 and post it.
Posted By: JDMopar

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 08:34 PM

Here's the 545RFE that's going into my Duster.

Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 10:01 PM

Very similar in size and shape, here's mine

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Posted By: Darius

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/02/12 10:03 PM

Actually, mine appears shorter and fatter
Posted By: JDMopar

Re: 70 GTX-5.7 Hemi build-9-24-09 - 01/03/12 12:18 AM

It's definately shorter, but the 545 main body is wide all the way back to the tailshaft housing. I think your W5A580 main case tapers off some.

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