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The cost of older cars

Posted By: mopowers

The cost of older cars - 07/27/12 08:26 PM

Lately I've really been digging these older street rods, traditional style rods and rat rods. Almost to the point where I've considered buying one. But damn!!! I can't get over how much these things go for!! Has it always been like this?!?!?! I'm talking PROJECTS for around 10K and up!!! I guess I won't be picking one up anytime soon. I envy you guys with these awesome older street rods. It makes us A body guys look like children!
Posted By: Dan Halen

Re: The cost of older cars - 07/27/12 11:49 PM

I hear ya'. I'd love to get a '35-'36 Plymouth but the parts are

Harley/Hemi high.
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: The cost of older cars - 07/28/12 01:42 AM

It's getting tougher to find deals, but they are still out there.
I will say that when looking at mopars, you want the absolute best, most complete one you can find. The missing parts is what will kill you.
Oh, and rust. Not many repair panels available out there.
What are you looking for? 30s, 40s, sedan, coupe, already built, stock, partially rodded?
Posted By: mopowers

Re: The cost of older cars - 07/28/12 01:58 AM

I'm looking for a 30's coupe. Something that's already hotrodded. Rough is ok with me too as long as it's a runner. Something like this: (I know it's not a Mopar- but I think it's badass)

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/3148652392.html
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: The cost of older cars - 07/28/12 03:19 AM

30s, coupe and running project for under 10K?
Going to be hard. Probably going to have to give up on either the 30s, the coupe or any sort of running.

http://www.racingjunk.com/1939-earlier/2614347/1935-PLYMOUTH-SLANTBACK-STREET-RAT-ROD-.html

double the money, but what you want
http://www.racingjunk.com/1939-earlier/2646273/1933-Plymouth-Coupe-Lowboy-Bigblock-MOPAR-440.html

If this guy sells the engine, you might be able to buy the rest...
http://www.racingjunk.com/1939-earlier/2594945/1936-Plymouth-Coupe-w-blown-354-hemi.html

Maybe a truck?
http://www.racingjunk.com/1939-earlier/2664364/1938-dodge-truck-project-.html

wrong decade, stock engine
http://www.racingjunk.com/1940-1959/2609302/1948-DODGE-2dr-Street-Rod-Kustom-will-trade.html

Ford engine truck
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1936-Dodg...=item4aba239e77

30s coupe w/ BB but not running
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/32-PLYMOU...=item3a77b6143b
wrong decade, 4 door sedan, but a pretty nice ride for the money...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1947-Plym...=item4d03618492
Posted By: 65rbdodge

Re: The cost of older cars - 07/28/12 06:58 PM

7 years ago when i started looking for a street rod project i could not believe the prices either. i looked at quite a few cars, some of them were really rough. i found this 47 desoto, it was not running and was last inspected in 1975. the paint was sanded off long ago and was completly covered in rust. not much rust through though. interior was trashed too. but it was complete. i paid $1600 for it.

Posted By: savoy64

Re: The cost of older cars - 07/29/12 05:04 PM

i think if i was a california guy i would hang out at the entrance to an auto crusher with $1000 in my pocket waiting for the right car--there are alot of guys hauling in Bounty cars that would rather sell them to a private party than have them crushed---one of my friends saw a 57 savoy 2 door wagon coming down the road--waved the guy over and bought it for $300+bounty...those guys sitting on overvalued hulks when pressured by zoning compliance send the cars in for the bounty===they are wishing they remembered the phone numbers of the previous guys that had stopped by wanting to buy and just give up...
Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE

Re: The cost of older cars - 07/30/12 04:04 AM

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It's getting tougher to find deals, but they are still out there.
I will say that when looking at mopars, you want the absolute best, most complete one you can find. The missing parts is what will kill you.
Oh, and rust. Not many repair panels available out there.
What are you looking for? 30s, 40s, sedan, coupe, already built, stock, partially rodded?


. You turned me onto my 37, $2500.00 later it was mine
Posted By: rrbrucea

Re: The cost of older cars - 07/31/12 09:36 PM



http://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/cto/3131713608.html
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/03/12 07:17 AM

30s cars are the most sought after of any brand,,,

sedans are easier and cheaper then coupes,,, some early 50 51 52 mopars can be made to look good and can be had cheap,,good luck in your search dont give up
Posted By: mopowers

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/03/12 03:37 PM

Something like these would be really cool. I still can't get over how much these things are bringing. It doesn't seem like there are that many parts to these things... Have these old ford coupes always been this pricey? Are dodge coupes in the same price range??


http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/3180476963.html

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/3148652392.html
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/03/12 05:03 PM

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Have these old ford coupes always been this pricey?



Fords have always been more popular, and always commanded a higher price.
Model As (28-31) were the last bastion of cheap in Fords. The whole retro or rat thing has driven them up too now.
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Are dodge coupes in the same price range??




No. However a 1931 Dodge is going to require a lot of work and scrounging, unless you find a great example.
Again, the retro thing has been driven prices up, but more cars are being built out of off-brands. If that's what you want, hang out at HAMB, killbillet, and other sites that cater to this style. When you have cash and are ready to deal, step up and ask for what you want!
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/03/12 05:18 PM

As for the "not many parts to these things", well, they have to have steering, suspension, drivetrain, electrical, body, seats, windshield and brakes.
The T-bucket is probably the most basic and elemental car, and those kits are getting expensive too.
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/T-Bucket-Kits.html
You can save some money by scrounging and building yourself, but all those elements must be there and look right. You can't just buy a Dakota, tear off the body and slap a 34 Dodge PU shell on the chassis. It doesn't look right.
EXAMPLE
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post7319099

Here's a Model A build
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=482087
Posted By: mopowers

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/03/12 07:02 PM

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Quote:

Have these old ford coupes always been this pricey?



Fords have always been more popular, and always commanded a higher price.
Model As (28-31) were the last bastion of cheap in Fords. The whole retro or rat thing has driven them up too now.
Quote:

Are dodge coupes in the same price range??




No. However a 1931 Dodge is going to require a lot of work and scrounging, unless you find a great example.
Again, the retro thing has been driven prices up, but more cars are being built out of off-brands. If that's what you want, hang out at HAMB, killbillet, and other sites that cater to this style. When you have cash and are ready to deal, step up and ask for what you want!




Is this "retro" hotrod thing a fad that you see going away soon?? I'm 30 and have always been into mopar muscle cars so this era of cars is new to me. I always remember seeing 30's traditional style hotrods at Goodguys events when I was younger, but I guess I never really noticed the pricing on them. I wonder if the prices will come down a little when the whole retro rod fad dies down a little.

I've definitely got cash. I guess at this point though, I've still got sticker shock. But what they say?? You only live once??
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/03/12 07:55 PM

It's like any other hobby, stuff ebbs and flows.

Will you be able to buy a bare bones rod for under 10K any time soon?
Only if the cost of everything else skyrockets and all the other guys that would buy-in at that price are not in the market. Think Mopar clones in the past 10 years. Only now can you touch one for less than it took to build.

Are they at a peak now?
They are still near cost of materials without scrounging. That's typically the price modified cars sell for, except race cars, which are almost always pennies on the dollar. They may come down some more as the next big thing hits, but won't be as popular. Consider the typical 80's dechromed pastel painted rod. They look funny in today's scene and are worth less than a more traditional car that was built at the same time.
One of those would be a cheap way to get into the rodding world, if you can live with that look.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/04/12 01:05 AM

Just wait 10 years and they will be MUCH cheaper, that is when I am going to buy one... Plus I will be old enough by then to look like I built it!
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/06/12 05:43 AM

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Something like these would be really cool. I still can't get over how much these things are bringing. It doesn't seem like there are that many parts to these things... Have these old ford coupes always been this pricey? Are dodge coupes in the same price range??


http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/3180476963.html

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/3148652392.html




one posting looks like it was deleted,,but the model A looks a little bare bones to me,,,seems like a very high price,,ide be thinking 12 g,,,
Posted By: poorboy

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/07/12 02:22 AM

Any Ford coupe between 1928 and 1939 is going to bring big money unless its junk. Fords are generally 2x to 3x as high as a comparable "other" car. That said, nothing built in the late 20s or through the 30s is going to be cheap unless it has issues or the owner is in a bind. On the rare occasions something decent at a good price shows up, you have to jump on it fast or someone with money will buy it to flip for fast cash, at the going rate.

Most of the decent stuff showing up these days is something someone saved a long time ago and has decided to sell it off for whatever reason. Often the first guy to "find it" gets a deal, and the price progresses with each sale until someone actually buys it to build.

The cheapest way to buy into pre 50 something cars is to buy an unfinished project, all you have to do is be the first guy to stumble onto it. Gene
Posted By: mopowers

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/07/12 02:48 PM

Still can't get over how much people want for this stuff!!!

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723406

I'd love to find an early dodge runner somewhere.
Posted By: rrbrucea

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/07/12 02:51 PM

Well, '34 Fords are always gonna be WAY expensive. Right there with the '32s. That's the way that's always been...
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/07/12 03:02 PM

Yep 32-34 Fords are top of the food chain.
If you want to freak, price out OE steel 40-41 Willys coupes.
These were cheap economy cars.

A good way to gauge what OE stuff is valuable is what is available aftermarket.
Poor patch panels? not so much.
'glass fenders? a bit better.
complete 'glass bodies? pretty popular.
multiple sources of glass bodies? Big time!
new steel bodies? Top shelf!

http://www.brookvilleroadster.com/

http://www.realsteel.com/about/
Posted By: mopowers

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/07/12 03:16 PM

How much is something like this worth? A little earlier...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/3188965648.html
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/07/12 09:15 PM

1. that's not a roadster, it's a coupe with the roof cut off, often called a coupester.
As a basic car, it's probably not a big difference, but it will be noticed by the guys in the know, and if your future plans are to keep it forever and keep making it better, it will top out on value much quicker than a true roadster.
2. No mention on the frame. Looks like it's all scratch-built. Not a bad thing, the OE would need major work to handle the power and to be Z'ed like this one is. You will want someone who is very familiar with these to check for integrity!!!
3. I don't know how the cops in your area treat such cars, but no wipers, no horn, speedo?, open exhaust. Will you be able to go to the local cruise night and back without a hassle?
4. It looks like a nice, decent build, but they probably want 15-18K at least for it. It really should have some of the stuff changed for the right vintage look. Valve covers, billet air filter and lokar shifter base and trans dipstick stick out like sore thumbs on it. the rubber hose from pump to carb is another minor ding. I'd also check the body structure. It could be braced with metal tubing and decent stiffness, or it could just be bolted down and flop around in the breeze.
5. On any of these, make sure you will be able to title and register it where you live. A lot of these guys are pretty cavalier about gathering a bunch of parts, doing all the work and then adding whatever #s are the cheapest, easiest way to get a title on it - IF they do that much. Check with your insurance agent too BEFORE handing over the cash.
Posted By: rrbrucea

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/09/12 07:38 PM

Wish this one had pics...

http://greensboro.craigslist.org/cto/3191069335.html
Posted By: mopowers

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/09/12 08:45 PM

Here's another one I found.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/3192552536.html

Another question comes to mind. Whats the difference in value of a 31-32ish ford hotrods w/ original steel bodies vs reproduction bodies??? I'm assuming this one is a repro. Other than that, it seems like a good deal compared to all the others I've seen on HAMB, EBAY, and CL. Not really my style though with all the new-ish type bolt ons. Seems like a neat driver though otherwise... May be worth a phone call at least.


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Wish this one had pics...

http://greensboro.craigslist.org/cto/3191069335.html




Yeah it'd be nice to see what that one looks like.
Posted By: dogdays

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/10/12 05:38 PM

Steel is real, but I believe there is NO difference in the finished asking price between fiberglas and steel in something as highly sought-after as a 32-34 Ford. Also, be aware there are people making new bodies out of steel for these cars. If you have the $$$$$ this is probably the way to go.

R.
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/12/12 12:32 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1923-FORD...=item2320cdc4a2
Posted By: moparx

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/12/12 02:02 AM

my cousin just sold this car at the york nats in june for $25k. glass body,LT1/700R4,m2ft,etc. the car runs out great,[including cold ac] and in the 6-8 years since it was done he had zero problems with it. it is way nicer in person than the pic shows and it was built correctly with no mousey hacks of any kind.


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Posted By: fstfish66

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/12/12 06:30 AM

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Still can't get over how much people want for this stuff!!!

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723406

I'd love to find an early dodge runner somewhere.




ide say its way over priced,,but it is a steel 34 ford,,,is it complete/?
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/12/12 06:35 AM

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How much is something like this worth? A little earlier...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/3188965648.html [/quote

its a model T,,, with the roof wacked off,,i hate when they wreck a cool car]
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/12/12 06:48 AM

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Wish this one had pics...

http://greensboro.craigslist.org/cto/3191069335.html





i agree sounds intresting,,,good price if its clean and complete sheet metal
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: The cost of older cars - 08/12/12 06:53 AM

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1923-FORD...=item2320cdc4a2






look at the positioning of the brake pedal,,,you have to be 4 foot tall to drive this,,or work the brake pedal with your hand
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