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Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body?

Posted By: Scamp451

Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/02/11 11:35 PM

Looking at another car for street/strip. My trans has a 904 w/ a Griner trans brake (Reverse pattern). Easy enough to swap to a forward manual valve body, but may take some getting used to. Going for the sleeper look.

Ideas?
Posted By: KOS

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/03/11 12:15 AM

why not leave it reverse pattern?you dont have to worry bout hittin Neutral on the way up.had one in a mid 11sec ride worked great.
Posted By: sixpakdodge

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/03/11 01:46 AM

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why not leave it reverse pattern?you dont have to worry bout hittin Neutral on the way up.had one in a mid 11sec ride worked great.




The '65 A990 cars came from the factory with a modified column and reverse valve body. The '66 I am building is also setup this way, and I plan on leaving it like that.
Posted By: Dragula

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/03/11 01:58 AM

My Green D100 is forward pattern on the column with a bench seat, and that's how I race it...Not easy, but you get used to it.
Posted By: G-Money1320

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/03/11 02:21 AM

I run my 69 Dart with a forward pattern manual VB and column shift it with the stock linkage and shifter. I like the clean stock look of it also. "Wheelsup68" Lonnie drives my car in pro in the mopower series and he seems to like it too. Just like driving when we were younger
Posted By: Lee446

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/03/11 03:42 AM

Can you do anything to the column shift to improve it and prevent over shifting or hitting neutral?
Posted By: Discoquik

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/03/11 08:18 PM

I used a reverse pattern valvebody in my 71 Valiant 4-door for the same stealthy reasons. Pulled the column apart without removing the whole unit from car. This way you can mock up the detent as you remove and recheck to sneak up on where to stop in relation to the transmissions detent and gear indicator on the column. There is a detent held in with two philips screws that shifter pawl rides on. I ground the 2nd gear "step" over to make 1st (now 3rd gear)so you pulled back towards you for high gear.

So basically I would slap second down with two fingers and pull back for third while hanging onto the steering wheel with my thumb. Never messed up a shift because, when I modified the column, I used a dremel with a small cutting disc to make the detent have a nice sharp 90 degree edge to the pawl. A regular disc cutter would have put too gently of a radius in it. I think it would have wanted to "walk" to 3rd during race conditions.

Free and failsafe. I have to give Mel Enders credit for telling me how to do it. He went one step further and had his speedometer "mapped" out by MPH "shift points" with two small hash marks, so his 64 Valiant sleeper had no speed gadgets inside...pretty cool car that one was.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/03/11 11:54 PM

As an alternative, you could make adjustments to the governor and shift springs to have it shift automatically as well.
Posted By: old_racer

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/04/11 01:39 PM

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I used a reverse pattern valvebody in my 71 Valiant 4-door for the same stealthy reasons. Pulled the column apart without removing the whole unit from car. This way you can mock up the detent as you remove and recheck to sneak up on where to stop in relation to the transmissions detent and gear indicator on the column. There is a detent held in with two philips screws that shifter pawl rides on. I ground the 2nd gear "step" over to make 1st (now 3rd gear)so you pulled back towards you for high gear.

So basically I would slap second down with two fingers and pull back for third while hanging onto the steering wheel with my thumb. Never messed up a shift because, when I modified the column, I used a dremel with a small cutting disc to make the detent have a nice sharp 90 degree edge to the pawl. A regular disc cutter would have put too gently of a radius in it. I think it would have wanted to "walk" to 3rd during race conditions.

Free and failsafe. I have to give Mel Enders credit for telling me how to do it. He went one step further and had his speedometer "mapped" out by MPH "shift points" with two small hash marks, so his 64 Valiant sleeper had no speed gadgets inside...pretty cool car that one was.



I did this to mine also, been racing it for years. also did a friends nhra stock elim car the same way. hard to see in the picture but I relabled the indicator p-r-n-1-2-3. turned out slick.
Russ

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Posted By: dOc !

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/04/11 01:55 PM



...just put a PUSH BUTTON shifter in it ...
Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/04/11 02:03 PM

Themz be too new fer pushy buttons

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Posted By: dirtybee

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/04/11 03:25 PM

anyone have a pic of the mod to the detent in the column? i've been wanting to do this to my car but can't visualize what to do. i also use a reverse manual vb with bench seat and column shift
Posted By: viperblue72

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/04/11 03:33 PM

I left mine on the column. Run 11 ohs. Reverse manual. I've always liked it. No pesky cable to give you fits. Its all mechanical linkage.
Posted By: dOc !

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/04/11 03:37 PM

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Themz be too new fer pushy buttons




NO SO ... 'itis ..

A PB shifter is good for any occasion ...

ONE is going in my Caravan ..

BTW ...yurr shifter is on the uNcorrect side ... a DOUBLE 2 U .!
Posted By: GOREO

Re: Racing w/ a column shifter/ manual valve body? - 10/05/11 04:04 PM

Been using that setup on all 3 of my Dart's over the years. Keep the shift linkage snug with fresh bushings. I flipp the trans shift rod over to get better clearance with my TTI headers.Use only a MSD shift light on the column once I know the best shift rpm. Looks clean and almost stock.

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