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Cam endplay math?

Posted By: astjp2

Cam endplay math? - 09/16/11 11:22 PM

Ok, I made a brass cam button and now I need to see if my numbers and assumptions are ok.
Superformance gasket thickness .051
total gap between cover and camshaft using clay with no gasket and bolts tight .648
cam button length .684

assumption 1: Roller cam end play .005-.010
assumption 2: Gasket crush .005-.010

So I get for math
gasket .051
minus crush -.005
plus gap +.648
equals =.694
minus button -.684
equals gap =.010

If I crush .010 on the gasket, my endplay would then be .005

Is my math ok? Are my tolerances ok? Did I miss anything?
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Cam endplay math? - 09/16/11 11:26 PM

I'm not sure you can crush those gaskets that much. Your idea is correct, just not sure what the endplay is that you'll end up with. I'd recommend using a dial indicator to check the end play.
Posted By: astjp2

Re: Cam endplay math? - 09/16/11 11:30 PM

I will when I get it together but wanted to get the button close. I have some .006 shims that I can put behind the button. Thanks for the response. Tim
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Cam endplay math? - 09/16/11 11:34 PM

I have an end plate with a window in it so I can quickly check the end play. I include these window plates with the timing covers that I sell.

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Posted By: BSB67

Re: Cam endplay math? - 09/17/11 01:01 AM

I have measured the crush of my stamped steel timing chain cover and water pump Felpro gaskets (0.031" if I remember correctly) was like 0.001" FWIW
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Cam endplay math? - 09/17/11 01:24 AM

Your math looks right to me.

But....
I agree with Andy you likely won't crush the gasket that much.
And I don't think you are going to get a clay reading within plus or minus 0.005"

Third, depending on the timing cover stiffness, that will help you determine the desired end play. i.e. a stock timing cover will flex a bunch, so you don't need much end play. A cast aluminum cover won't flex much, so you need a couple thousandths more.
Posted By: astjp2

Re: Cam endplay math? - 09/17/11 02:18 AM

there is a .045 4130 chromoly plate welded inside the stock cover which is shaped like the original V recess. I just hope that I can shimm up any extra with my .006 shims....

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Posted By: astjp2

Re: Cam endplay math? - 09/17/11 02:36 AM

Andy, your cover is wonderful and excellent quality, just beyond my price range for this engine. Hopefully I can get one on my next hemi! Tim
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Cam endplay math? - 09/18/11 12:44 AM

Quote:

there is a .045 4130 chromoly plate welded inside the stock cover which is shaped like the original V recess.


I did that for a friend of mine back in 2004 when he built his roller cam, Indy headed, big block. It works fine, but any off the self button needs more taken off when it is welded to the inside. But it looks nicer that way after the motor is put together. We used a dial indicator on the cam during assembly to set the end play. I forget the number, but it was pretty tight since the cover will still flex some.
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