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Difference in manifold pressure versus boost

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/06/11 06:08 PM

I have always wondered what the differences are between pounds of boost versus inches of manifold pressure? Any one on here know, in laymans terms
Posted By: feets

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/06/11 07:57 PM

Don't think of boost making power. You'll get horribly confused and want to smash your head against the wall.

In a way, high boost is a bad thing.

You see, boost is a resistance to air flow. Blowers, turbos, and all that are cramming more air into the engine than it can handle. When that happens, the air stacks up in the intake and pressure goes up.
When pressure goes up, heat goes up. Heat is a bad thing.
A really efficient engine will take more air than a less efficient engine.
Example:
Engine A is a 360 with stock heads, fctory cam, and stock manifolds.
Engine B is a 360 with a killer set of heads, blower specific cam, and excellent exhaust.
Both engines have the same blower with the same pulley ratio.
Engine A will make 450 hp at 10 psi.
Engine B will make 500 hp at 6 psi.

Engine A can't handle the air flow. It barfs up all the air. The air stacks up in the intake as boost because the blower is shoving it in but the engine can't use it. Think of it as being constipated. Air temperature goes up. Efficiency goes down.

Engine B has the hardware to actually use the air you're feeding it. That means air moves through it easily and there's less air backing up and making pressure (boost).

Since engine B is doing such a good job you can change the pullies and start shoving more air into it. Change the pullies until it makes the same 10 psi as engine A and you'll have a lot more horsepower. The air will still get all clogged up in the intake and temperature will climb but the better engine is making more power.

There ya go. Clear as mud.
Posted By: feets

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/06/11 08:00 PM

Crap! I totally misread your question. Since I typed up all that garbage I'll leave it for the lurkers to read.

Boost is read as PSI. Pounds per square inch.

Inches of pressure usually refers to inches of mercury which is a much older way of measuring things.
Posted By: Duner

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/06/11 08:09 PM

It was a good explanation though.

And also a good thing to reference for people when they ask:
How much power does 6 psi of boost add.

It "depends".... on your explanation.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/07/11 02:10 AM

Quote:

Crap! I totally misread your question. Since I typed up all that garbage I'll leave it for the lurkers to read.

Boost is read as PSI. Pounds per square inch.

Inches of pressure usually refers to inches of mercury which is a much older way of measuring things.


My N/A airplane had a manifold pressure gauge in it, it is the same as a barometer with the engine shut off, it will read the actual outside barometeric pressure in inches, IE at mean sea level in instrument standard conditions(29.92 at 59 F at MSL))it will read 29.92, at 5000 ft with the same barometric pressure it would read five inches less due to the loss of pressure at the higher elevation, one inch per 1000 Ft in standard conditions My question is is there any colilation(SP?) between manifold pressure and pounds of boost, IE is 6 lbs of boost equal to or close to 36 inches of manifold pressure? N/A airplane motors with a manifold pressure gauge will read at or close to zero at idle, the more you open the throttle the more manifold prssure you will see, at wide open throttle on take off it will read the outside barometric pressure The supercharged or turbocharged airpalne motors will have above the outside B.P. at take off power IE above 31.00 inches all the way up to or above 44 inches of manifold pressure depending on the throttle position and RPMs Canton,
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/07/11 02:23 AM

kin of what feets says, boost is a measure of resistance. It's more about getting the good air in and the bad (exhaust) out. One car could have 12 lbs off boost and the other 6. the 6lbs car can make more HP
Posted By: Blusmbl

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/07/11 04:41 AM

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IE is 6 lbs of boost equal to or close to 36 inches of manifold pressure?




Not quite. 1 standard atmosphere = 29.92 inches of mercury, 14.7 psi, or 1013 hpa. 6 pounds of boost is actually 20.7 psi of absolute manifold pressure, which is 42.14 inches of mercury.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/07/11 06:21 AM

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IE is 6 lbs of boost equal to or close to 36 inches of manifold pressure?




Not quite. 1 standard atmosphere = 29.92 inches of mercury, 14.7 psi, or 1013 hpa. 6 pounds of boost is actually 20.7 psi of absolute manifold pressure, which is 42.14 inches of mercury.


Thanks, that helps Another member has PM me a link to a chart but I couldn't get it to display earlier I hope it will soon so I can print it for future use
Posted By: Clanton

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/07/11 12:26 PM

this has several conversion tables.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pressure-units-converter-d_569.html
Posted By: Blusmbl

Re: Difference in manifold pressure versus boost - 08/07/11 01:20 PM

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Thanks, that helps Another member has PM me a link to a chart but I couldn't get it to display earlier I hope it will soon so I can print it for future use




You're welcome! You already had it mostly right (knowing the difference between absolute and gauge pressures, thanks to your airplane experience), just needed the conversion formula.

This program is very good, if you're interested and want to install it on your computer:

http://joshmadison.com/convert-for-windows/

BTW, my first post wasn't that accurate. 6 pounds of boost at sea level is 20.7 psi. But, 6 pounds of boost in Denver is only 18.1 psi, since atmospheric pressure is lower.
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