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What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock?
Posted By: DodgeCharger
What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/04/11 01:56 PM
I was looking over the racing at the Mopar Action at the Grove. I was wondering if I can run my street car in Nastalgia Super Stock?
With the hood closed the car looks like a stock 71 Cuda with newer Cragars and radial tires. What are the rules for this class?
Posted By: fullmetaljacket
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/04/11 01:59 PM
Same thing here. with my hood closed, every thing looks like an outlaw AFX/Super stock. If not, I am content with time trials.
Posted By: StillRock69
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/04/11 04:45 PM
National Rules
http://evansvillekia.comhttp://nmcadigital.comSome other clubs, series, individual track owners and promoters for example, Nostalgia Super Stocks Inc., 422 Motorsports, Texas Outsiders, have written their own rules for their specific uses.
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/04/11 05:13 PM
It doesn't look like I can run a 71 Cuda. Did super stock end for a few years after Pro Stock was started in 1970 ?
I know Ronnie Sox ran Super Stock in the 60's and then went to running pro stock in the cuda in 70 and 71.
Posted By: StillRock69
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/04/11 06:48 PM
This is hard to explain, but giving it a try:
NHRA established Super Stock in 1957 and then reorganized and modified the classes and rules for both Stock and Super Stock in 1966, which makes for one of the most confusing aspects to current NSS rules.
The reorganization allowed the inclusion of the 'pony cars' (Mustangs, Camaros, etc.), single 4-bbl combinations and also an index timing system into Super Stock Eliminator at that time and since then.
However, many NSS racers consider the period from 1959 through 1967 with traditional post and hardtop body styles, big block engines, two carburetors and 'heads up' racing as the 'Golden Era' of factory direct participation (package cars built specifically for racing), with some exceptions such as the 1968 Hemi Darts and Barracudas and the American Motors 1969 AMX models.
In addition, with the establishment of Pro Stock in 1970 (helped by the dislike of 'brake light' index racing), and then mostly the loss of direct factory participation, many consider that time period (1967 to 1970 and later) as past the end of 'traditional' Super Stock.
Therefore, the 'pony cars' and late arrival of the 'Cudas and Challengers, have been generally been considered to be not representative of 'true' Super Stock cars.
So with the establishment of NSS in the late 1980's, the first rules were written with bias against 'pony cars' and 'the late arrivals' with the period 1959 through 1967 as the general standard and the majority is still supporting this interpretation.
As a matter of both fact and opinion, this issue has been the subject of considerable discussion and debate which will likely continue well into the future.
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/04/11 10:07 PM
Thanks for the history lesson. Drag racing reached its peak in 70 and 71. The hemi ebodies dominated prostock. The Prostock field drew as much attention as top fuel and funny car in the early 70's.
I am supprised that the organizers would want to drive so many possible entrants away just becuase they have a bias against pony cars.
Posted By: Leigh
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/04/11 10:30 PM
Well, there are no dictionary results, so, invent your own.
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/05/11 01:34 AM
I think I will just leave the car home and go as a spectator.
Posted By: cudaboy
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/05/11 01:21 PM
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I was looking over the racing at the Mopar Action at the Grove. I was wondering if I can run my street car in Nastalgia Super Stock?
It depends on which rules they are using. Did you call them and ask?
Dennis
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/05/11 02:15 PM
I will call them tomorrow and ask them.
Posted By: SSDAcuda
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/05/11 02:36 PM
If you're questioning the Mopar action race, I was kind of wondering what/ how they were going to run also.
Is nostalgia and current Super Stock cars going to run together?
I see they have an electronics and non- electronics class, where you could run one of those. Bring the car and support the event!
Posted By: Steve1118
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 01:13 AM
The entries at these races are full, and, to be frank, they don't need the E bodies and Camaros, and other pony cars. There is no shortage of "legal" NSS cars.
You would have to consider me a purist in this regard, as I agree totally with the rules as they are. Keep it to big cars, two four barrells, 62-67 with the exception of factory "package" cars. For my money, the 422 All Stars, and the manner in which it is run is what I like the best, and I've tried most of them.
If they want to make a Nostalgia Pro Stock class, for E bodies and pony cars, have at it.
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 02:48 AM
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The entries at these races are full, and, to be frank, they don't need the E bodies and Camaros, and other pony cars. There is no shortage of "legal" NSS cars.
You would have to consider me a purist in this regard, as I agree totally with the rules as they are. Keep it to big cars, two four barrells, 62-67 with the exception of factory "package" cars. For my money, the 422 All Stars, and the manner in which it is run is what I like the best, and I've tried most of them.
If they want to make a Nostalgia Pro Stock class, for E bodies and pony cars, have at it.
We have a special class for 62-67 cars. Then there is a special late model 07 and later class for the new hemis. But my car doesn't fit into either class. Maybe I will call Maple Grove and see if I can sponser a class for red plymouth hemi e bodies?
This way I will have a special class for my car and only get to run against other cars that I enjoy racing against.
Posted By: Steve1118
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 03:04 AM
Find someone to post a purse, get enough cars, and do it.
Sounds like a good idea.
Remember, NSS is designed to re-create a specific time period in drag racing history. It is not another bracket class, it is unique. They are not street cars, either.
To many of us, including me, the "golden era" of the sport was 1962 through 1969, with the doorslammer wars of the mid sixties being the most golden. That is why it is limited to what it is limited to, no pony cars, no electronics, no funky hood scoops, no gizmos. 422 All Stars requires period correct lettering. They are a specifically built car, so if someone wants to race NSS dig out the rules and build one. But, don't expect the NSS guys to change the rules. It ain't gonna happen.
It is obvious that there are many others who feel the same, as the class is full, and is growing. They pack the house at places like Beaver Springs, Pittsburgh, and others.
It is a great class, and has given guys like me new life to do something I've been doing for forty plus years. I'm not into street cruisers, not into regular brackets. There are enough like me that this is what was created, and there is enough interest that it has taken off and is growing each year.
I'm very surprised, and grateful, that it has blossomed the way it has.
Posted By: sixpakdodge
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 03:48 AM
I love Nostalgia Super Stock. Where else can you watch period correct cars from the 1960's battle it out with their 500"+ big blocks, Weld wheels, and 32x14 tires (10.5W's as you call them)?
Posted By: 383man
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 04:08 AM
Dont they have some Nastalgia Pro Stock classes out there. I mean I love the NSS Superstock classes of the 60's and enjoy them cars the most of any but I also loves the early years of Pro Stock (70-74) as I really liked the heads up racing of more or less stock body cars. The 70 to 72 Pro stock was dominated by Mopars not just E-bodies but Hemi A-bodies like Duster's and Demon's and the smallblock Vega's and Pinto's came about in the 72 and later years. I would guess the 70 and later E-bodies would fall into a Pro Stock type of Nastalgia class as that would be a very cool class. But the Nastalgia Superstock racing of the cars from the 60's I dont think will include the 70 and up E-bodies from what I have seen. Ron
Posted By: proshiftcharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 05:12 AM
I got a question. Those of you who know me also know that Im a huge fan and support NSS racing.
With that being said my question is....
Where would a 71 Charger fall into play at?
Lets say its a Super Stock legal built car with either a HEMI with factory correct carbs or lets say a 440 6 pack. It misses the "cut off" year for NSS and trying to find a Pro Stock Class would be difficult not to mention a heavy Charger might not do as well against the lighter E or A bodies. I understand the thought process in not allowing pony cars in but a Charger is far from a pony car so where would it fall into play at? Been thinking about this for a while and just wanted to hear some thoughts on this.
thanks!
Doug
Posted By: 383man
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 05:29 AM
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I got a question. Those of you who know me also know that Im a huge fan and support NSS racing.
With that being said my question is....
Where would a 71 Charger fall into play at?
Lets say its a Super Stock legal built car with either a HEMI with factory correct carbs or lets say a 440 6 pack. It misses the "cut off" year for NSS and trying to find a Pro Stock Class would be difficult not to mention a heavy Charger might not do as well against the lighter E or A bodies. I understand the thought process in not allowing pony cars in but a Charger is far from a pony car so where would it fall into play at? Been thinking about this for a while and just wanted to hear some thoughts on this.
thanks!
Doug
I dont think it would fall into a NSS class. Sure it could run NHRA SS but from what I have seen most NSS classes dont go past 1969 I believe and some dont even let 1969 cars in. I mean I guess they consider the golden years of factory backed NSS from 62 to 67 I think from what I see. This is just what it looks to me as it is not my opinion. Ron
Posted By: TMP66
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 09:02 AM
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I love Nostalgia Super Stock. Where else can you watch period correct cars from the 1960's battle it out with their 500"+ big blocks, Weld wheels, and 32x14 tires (10.5W's as you call them)?
Now that's funny!
Don't forget fiberglass panels, lexan windows, and oversized 'factory' hood scoops. But don't call them bracket cars.
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 11:36 AM
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I love Nostalgia Super Stock. Where else can you watch period correct cars from the 1960's battle it out with their 500"+ big blocks, Weld wheels, and 32x14 tires (10.5W's as you call them)?
I don't know much about NSS but I do remember racing in the 60's. SS cars weren't running 500" motors or Weld Wheels.
I don't know about the 32x14's.
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 11:48 AM
Ok so now I understand the class better. It is basically a closed exibition class.
Also don't take my comment about the ebody class serious. I like racing against any type of vehicle. I just don't like bracket racing.But I won't build a spec car for a class because the rules keep changing and classes come and go quicker than I can build a car to meet the rules.
Posted By: Steve1118
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 03:08 PM
Doug, I think the idea was to try to limit the class to those that originally represented an available factory "package" SS car...i.e., Hemi & Wedge b body 62-67; R code Galaxies, T bolts, Z-11 409s, 427 Fairlanes and the like. The later factory "package" cars, the AMX's, 68 CJ's, and Hemi Darts & Cudas have been included for that reason. There may be an exception or two, but not many.
Don't lash me to the mast on that...but I'm pretty sure that is the deal, because the cars are representative of those offerings.
Yeah, you could say it's an enclosed exhibition class, but the racing is hard and close.
Doug, sorry we missed you at the Nitro Jam. We spent some time with Bob Roles, he's got that car flyin', doesn't he? See you at the Beaver.
Posted By: RodStRace
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 04:03 PM
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Ok so now I understand the class better. It is basically a closed exibition class.
Also don't take my comment about the ebody class serious. I like racing against any type of vehicle. I just don't like bracket racing.But I won't build a spec car for a class because the rules keep changing and classes come and go quicker than I can build a car to meet the rules.
Seems you are making your own bed here.
You won't go Bracket racing, which is for any safe car to run at a level the owner is comfortable and can afford.
You won't race in a class because of the costs and changes.
You want to run your car that doesn't fit into an existing exhibition class for different cars.
Like what was said, if you want to run your car in it's own closed exhibition class, develop a class and get the money and other racers lined up to present to a promoter as a package.
There are FAST, NSS, N P/S (is that going?) various doorslamer, altered, F/C and other groups all working to provide a good safe show for spectators and like-minded racers. Either build to one of those or start your own.
BTW, a bunch of "street cars that look stock with the hood closed, except wheels and tires" could be a bit boring and the owners will all be harder to herd than cats. 
The FAST guys are already going fast enough to be running into safety/looks problems. I'm sure there are plenty of "street cars that look stock with the hood closed, except wheels and tires" that can run nines. Are you going to be happy running these guys and how will you keep them safe without a cage and the other stuff that goes with 9s?
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 04:37 PM
The Rules. I talked to Maple Grove. The class will be for NSS cars and current stock and super stock cars only.
Posted By: mr_340
Re: What are the rules for NOstalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 04:38 PM
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I love Nostalgia Super Stock. Where else can you watch period correct cars from the 1960's battle it out with their 500"+ big blocks, Weld wheels, and 32x14 tires (10.5W's as you call them)?
Now that's funny!
Don't forget fiberglass panels, lexan windows, and oversized 'factory' hood scoops. But don't call them bracket cars.
I don't mind the fiberglass panels as long as they still look stock. I HATE the oversized scoops. They ruin the "NOstalgia" look IMO. I also like the period correct wheels. They should put in a wheel restrictions to TT, SS and Keystones. I want it to look like it's right out of 1965 issue of SS&DI. 
Posted By: Steve1118
Re: What are the rules for NOstalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 06:33 PM
Jim, I can't totally disagree with you on the wheels, I still use old Cragar Super Tricks, but I think it's a safety issue. I know I wouldn't want to run as fast as Ronnie does on a set of Keystones, no matter how cool they work. Also, I think you'd have some problems finding correct width and offset, as well as being compatible with the new brakes. And, I don't want to go back to drum brakes.
Just my thoughts.
Posted By: sixpackjeff
Re: What are the rules for NOstalgia Super Stock? - 06/06/11 11:27 PM
Check out
www.nostalgiaprostock.com. We have rules listed for both NPS and NSS. We'll be running both of those classes at The Chrysler Challenge, July 22-23 at Marion County (Ohio) International Raceway.
Here's a photo of our Pro Stock event at Union Grove last week. Yea, I know they're Chevys, but it's still cool!!! So far, we have about a dozen Pro Stock Mopars in our group.
![Attached picture 6669914-UnionGroveMay20110001[1]small.jpg](https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/6669914-UnionGroveMay20110001[1]small.jpg "6669914-UnionGroveMay20110001[1]small.jpg")
Posted By: dvw
Re: What are the rules for NOstalgia Super Stock? - 06/07/11 03:45 AM
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I love Nostalgia Super Stock. Where else can you watch period correct cars from the 1960's battle it out with their 500"+ big blocks, Weld wheels, and 32x14 tires (10.5W's as you call them)?
Now that's funny!
I spent a long time looking for these for my N/SS car. Hopefully the carbs will fit under the stock scoop as well.
Doug
The rears were easy to find
Don't forget fiberglass panels, lexan windows, and oversized 'factory' hood scoops. But don't call them bracket cars.
I don't mind the fiberglass panels as long as they still look stock. I HATE the oversized scoops. They ruin the "NOstalgia" look IMO. I also like the period correct wheels. They should put in a wheel restrictions to TT, SS and Keystones. I want it to look like it's right out of 1965 issue of SS&DI.
Posted By: dvw
Re: What are the rules for NOstalgia Super Stock? - 06/07/11 03:47 AM
The fronts were a lot tougher. supposedly only 50 pair of 4" made.
Doug
Posted By: mr_340
Re: What are the rules for NOstalgia Super Stock? - 06/07/11 04:27 AM
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The fronts were a lot tougher. supposedly only 50 pair of 4" made.
Doug
I forgot the 200S. Good looking wheel. Too bad they don't make a modern version of the old wheels to make them look right.
I guess part of the problem is everyone wants to run 500"+ engines and a lot more power than they used to make. Nobody had 800 HP back then. Even the Pro Stocks didn't make 800 HP in the early 1970s from what I remember.
Posted By: dvw
Re: What are the rules for NOstalgia Super Stock? - 06/08/11 03:56 AM
Actually I'm running a 572. My goal is to run 9.25 index or better. I also have a stock style interior,push button trans and chrome steel bumpers.
Doug
Posted By: nss guy
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/09/11 01:22 AM
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I love Nostalgia Super Stock. Where else can you watch period correct cars from the 1960's battle it out with their 500"+ big blocks, Weld wheels, and 32x14 tires (10.5W's as you call them)?
hmm
Posted By: Mr. T
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/09/11 02:45 AM
The NSS rules are pretty strict. They would not allow me to compete against them a few years back at a local track because my car is equipped with a small block. But I still enjoyed watching them make passes down the track.
Posted By: proshiftcharger
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/09/11 03:03 PM
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Doug, I think the idea was to try to limit the class to those that originally represented an available factory "package" SS car...i.e., Hemi & Wedge b body 62-67; R code Galaxies, T bolts, Z-11 409s, 427 Fairlanes and the like. The later factory "package" cars, the AMX's, 68 CJ's, and Hemi Darts & Cudas have been included for that reason. There may be an exception or two, but not many.
Don't lash me to the mast on that...but I'm pretty sure that is the deal, because the cars are representative of those offerings.
Yeah, you could say it's an enclosed exhibition class, but the racing is hard and close.
Doug, sorry we missed you at the Nitro Jam. We spent some time with Bob Roles, he's got that car flyin', doesn't he? See you at the Beaver.
Hey Steve, funny I was thinking the other night on my very first NSS event I attended at Beavers. You were the first car I took notice to pulling in on the trailer. You were also the first person I talked to that weekend to learn more about NSS. In that same conversation thats also when I learned who Bob George is. I dont know if you remember that or not. It was back when the event first started and you were parked across the other side of the pits opposite from where you park now.
The Nitro Jam I heard was a good time. I wanted to go but work obligations kept me tied up. I talked to Bob Roles that Monday after the event and he said he did go a few rounds and had a good time. He mentioned he spoke to you guys also. Yes the cars running fast. Its gone as fast as 8.80's and forced him to install a chute.
Take care and see you soon.
Posted By: Steve1118
Re: What are the rules for Nastalgia Super Stock? - 06/09/11 04:19 PM
I do remember! A lot of times my memory fails me these days, but I do remember that vividly.
It's too bad you couldn't make the Nitro Jam, but I understand about the work deal. One has to eat.
Bob's car is flying! He went a bunch of rounds, and did a good job. His car was unique among all the pure bracket guys, and got a lot of attention. It's amazing to me how popular these old cars are, maybe I'm jaded because I've always been around them. 8.80's at 150+ is mighty stout.
Looking forward to the Beaver...see you there. It's good to hear from you!