Posted By: Bishop
Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 05/31/11 08:48 PM
Is Mopar making Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks if so does anyone know the part number?
Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 05/31/11 08:51 PM
Zippy(Rich) would know...
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 05/31/11 09:12 PM
Go to my post about " New 5.7 hemi head" I just gave it a bump. 2 page in. Matt
Posted By: johnscudashop
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 05/31/11 09:29 PM
The number on my MP Gen 3 hemi Aluminum crate engine's block is P6158896AA , It should be the same as the MP bare block
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 05/31/11 10:07 PM
Does anybody have pictures of a stripped down, bare boned "RACE" HEMI
without any of the OEM asseccories?
without any of the OEM asseccories?
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 05/31/11 10:54 PM
Finally got 'em and they're shipping.
And worth the wait, too.
They're set up to be vendor ship direct, which means it ships to your dealer direct from the machine shop in Auburn Hills, MI.
Vendor ship direct also means dealers can't see any warehouse inventory, so they might be a little nervous promising an arrival date. Tell them not to worry.
Order it, and it'll show up.
Anyway here is the spread of part numbers:
P5155507 4.125 finished bored, fully machined
P5153897 4.055 finish bored, fully machined
P5153898 semi finished machining, 4.114 bore, can be bored to 4.185
P5155630 semi finished machining "builder's special", no assembled components, allows user to finish machining to their unique requirements and aftermarket bearings if necessary
All blocks are made from casting P5153896. (P5153896AA is the most current and most often seen casting).
They're 98lbs lighter than stock. They're nice to work with, and are quite a departure from the old iron I am more accustomed to.
Here's a couple shots of an aluminum 440CI engine.
And worth the wait, too.
They're set up to be vendor ship direct, which means it ships to your dealer direct from the machine shop in Auburn Hills, MI.
Vendor ship direct also means dealers can't see any warehouse inventory, so they might be a little nervous promising an arrival date. Tell them not to worry.
Order it, and it'll show up.
Anyway here is the spread of part numbers:
P5155507 4.125 finished bored, fully machined
P5153897 4.055 finish bored, fully machined
P5153898 semi finished machining, 4.114 bore, can be bored to 4.185
P5155630 semi finished machining "builder's special", no assembled components, allows user to finish machining to their unique requirements and aftermarket bearings if necessary
All blocks are made from casting P5153896. (P5153896AA is the most current and most often seen casting).
They're 98lbs lighter than stock. They're nice to work with, and are quite a departure from the old iron I am more accustomed to.
Here's a couple shots of an aluminum 440CI engine.
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 05/31/11 11:14 PM
Quote:
Does anybody have pictures of a stripped down, bare boned "RACE" HEMI
without any of the OEM asseccories?
Should be plenty of them here:
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post6137085
Posted By: topbrent
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 06/01/11 10:36 AM
Awesome stuff.
Do I dare ask what the target pricing is on these?
Do I dare ask what the target pricing is on these?
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 06/01/11 03:32 PM
Well, I received the same question in PM so might as well post it as long as it doesn't upset anyone.
If the prices mean the thread has to be moved to the new product area, please move this thread
They all retail at 4485, except for the builder's special.
I don't understand why, but the builder's special is priced alot higher at 5780 retail. It has less machine work but costs more? Might be due to lack of demand, or that it isn't being used in a crate engine that drove the price up....really not sure.
Shouldn't be too hard to beat retail prices with a little digging...there are several dealers on here who would probably be willing to knock the number down a significant amount.
If the prices mean the thread has to be moved to the new product area, please move this thread
They all retail at 4485, except for the builder's special.
I don't understand why, but the builder's special is priced alot higher at 5780 retail. It has less machine work but costs more? Might be due to lack of demand, or that it isn't being used in a crate engine that drove the price up....really not sure.
Shouldn't be too hard to beat retail prices with a little digging...there are several dealers on here who would probably be willing to knock the number down a significant amount.
Posted By: STEFF
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 09/29/11 03:06 AM
Just curious, who has the best price? PM me if you want to.
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 09/29/11 02:37 PM
Quote:
Just curious, who has the best price? PM me if you want to.
X2
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 09/29/11 03:31 PM
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 09/29/11 03:35 PM
mopar-wholesale.com is 4197.50
Posted By: dogdays
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 09/29/11 04:14 PM
That puts the engine weight at 400 lb! Awesome.
R.
R.
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/01/11 04:06 AM
Quote:
Finally got 'em and they're shipping.
And worth the wait, too.
They're set up to be vendor ship direct, which means it ships to your dealer direct from the machine shop in Auburn Hills, MI.
Vendor ship direct also means dealers can't see any warehouse inventory, so they might be a little nervous promising an arrival date. Tell them not to worry.
Order it, and it'll show up.
Anyway here is the spread of part numbers:
P5155507 4.125 finished bored, fully machined
P5153897 4.055 finish bored, fully machined
P5153898 semi finished machining, 4.114 bore, can be bored to 4.185
P5155630 semi finished machining "builder's special", no assembled components, allows user to finish machining to their unique requirements and aftermarket bearings if necessary
All blocks are made from casting P5153896. (P5153896AA is the most current and most often seen casting).
They're 98lbs lighter than stock. They're nice to work with, and are quite a departure from the old iron I am more accustomed to.
Here's a couple shots of an aluminum 440CI engine.
Are all the block the same except the one that is partially machined?
Do they just have different bores sizes?
I am trying to figure out which one to get and would like to know if the one with the smaller bore has more cylinder wall thickness.
Posted By: STEFF
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/01/11 04:09 AM
I can get one of the fully machined alum. blocks thru a friend for $2915.
Posted By: 408strokerdart
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/01/11 04:38 AM
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I can get one of the fully machined alum. blocks thru a friend for $2915.
Thats a steal for an aluminum aftermarket block.
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/01/11 03:13 PM
Quote:
I can get one of the fully machined alum. blocks thru a friend for $2915.
Can you give details. Is he a dealer or selling it privately?
Or did it come off a truck in a dark alley? LOL
What ever it is that is a great price
Posted By: STEFF
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/01/11 10:47 PM
Quote:Quote:
I can get one of the fully machined alum. blocks thru a friend for $2915.
Can you give details. Is he a dealer or selling it privately?
Or did it come off a truck in a dark alley? LOL
What ever it is that is a great price
Its just a friend that gets a discount at a local dealer. In case you didn't know, chrysler employees get a 25% discount on parts at dealers. Maybe you have a friend or family that is a Chrysler employee.
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/01/11 11:50 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:
I can get one of the fully machined alum. blocks thru a friend for $2915.
Can you give details. Is he a dealer or selling it privately?
Or did it come off a truck in a dark alley? LOL
What ever it is that is a great price
Its just a friend that gets a discount at a local dealer. In case you didn't know, chrysler employees get a 25% discount on parts at dealers. Maybe you have a friend or family that is a Chrysler employee.
Maybe I could use this the next time I purchase something.
If you could get it at that price by it .ll by it from you if you don't want it.
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/12/11 12:25 AM
Quote:Quote:
Finally got 'em and they're shipping.
And worth the wait, too.
They're set up to be vendor ship direct, which means it ships to your dealer direct from the machine shop in Auburn Hills, MI.
Vendor ship direct also means dealers can't see any warehouse inventory, so they might be a little nervous promising an arrival date. Tell them not to worry.
Order it, and it'll show up.
Anyway here is the spread of part numbers:
P5155507 4.125 finished bored, fully machined
P5153897 4.055 finish bored, fully machined
P5153898 semi finished machining, 4.114 bore, can be bored to 4.185
P5155630 semi finished machining "builder's special", no assembled components, allows user to finish machining to their unique requirements and aftermarket bearings if necessary
All blocks are made from casting P5153896. (P5153896AA is the most current and most often seen casting).
They're 98lbs lighter than stock. They're nice to work with, and are quite a departure from the old iron I am more accustomed to.
Here's a couple shots of an aluminum 440CI engine.
Are all the block the same except the one that is partially machined?
Do they just have different bores sizes?
I am trying to figure out which one to get and would like to know if the one with the smaller bore has more cylinder wall thickness.
Any help?
Posted By: Leon441
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/12/11 01:03 AM
First off, all out drag engine can it make at least 900HP N/A minimum. Would like to see numbers over 1,000 at 450 CID.
What is the deck height?
How much spray could you put on it? How does it compare to a R3 or the sprint car aluminum blocks for W series heads?
I am very impressed by these hemis just can't seem to get honest answers. I would love to do one all out for my Barracuda.
If someone has an interest better speak up. I am days away from buying an R5 EEI block or maybe a complete EEI R5 P7 engine.
Leon
What is the deck height?
How much spray could you put on it? How does it compare to a R3 or the sprint car aluminum blocks for W series heads?
I am very impressed by these hemis just can't seem to get honest answers. I would love to do one all out for my Barracuda.
If someone has an interest better speak up. I am days away from buying an R5 EEI block or maybe a complete EEI R5 P7 engine.
Leon
Posted By: n20mstr
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/12/11 01:36 AM
Leon contact Scott Brown, he has some good info on these engines. Over 426 will require a custom crank and getting rid of the factory reluctor wheel off the crank. No big deal as you will prob just run a external crank trigger anyway. No one has really built one of these engines for nitrous, But imagine this, 426 cubes, sheetmetal intake, fuel injection, 2 foggers could be 4 stages of dry nitrous.....I know sounds pretty nice Oh yea they have been making in the 800 - 850 range already NA with these engines.....best part is they are considered Small Blocks by most racing sanctions , at least for now...LOL
Posted By: Leon441
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/12/11 01:41 AM
4.185 bore block 4.250" BPE crank and you have 461 CID. That is store bought parts.
BES had two belt drive distributors on theres for Engine Masters the other year. The Jesel rocker system is $3,500. The engines can make big power just don't know how big.
Leon
BES had two belt drive distributors on theres for Engine Masters the other year. The Jesel rocker system is $3,500. The engines can make big power just don't know how big.
Leon
Posted By: 408strokerdart
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/12/11 02:11 AM
Quote:
4.185 bore block 4.250" BPE crank and you have 461 CID. That is store bought parts.
BES had two belt drive distributors on theres for Engine Masters the other year. The Jesel rocker system is $3,500. The engines can make big power just don't know how big.
Leon
I would love to do one of these and I don't know of anyone who has done a N/A all out deal yet. Seen quite a few boosted that make pretty big power, but nothing with the aluminum block yet.
With the cost of some of the parts that are still up there $$$, it is still hard to beat a big inch all alum big block. If I had the coin to spend, I would have "Diablo's" old engine that is for sale in the parts section. That is a bad piece for the money.
Posted By: Irun5snd8th
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/12/11 03:46 AM
I keep hearing that they are making these 700-850 NA numbers but at this point I have yet to see a real world engine produce that much with the exception of BES and that was a bunch of trick one of a kind crap in that engine. Show me someone with a real combo making that power without issues. You have several people on here with money ready to spend and as Leon stated we arent getting real answers.
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/12/11 02:19 PM
Quote:
Leon contact Scott Brown, he has some good info on these engines. Over 426 will require a custom crank and getting rid of the factory reluctor wheel off the crank. No big deal as you will prob just run a external crank trigger anyway. No one has really built one of these engines for nitrous, But imagine this, 426 cubes, sheetmetal intake, fuel injection, 2 foggers could be 4 stages of dry nitrous.....I know sounds pretty nice Oh yea they have been making in the 800 - 850 range already NA with these engines.....best part is they are considered Small Blocks by most racing sanctions , at least for now...LOL
I think the biggest problem ,when you get to this level , will be head gasket sealing.
Mopar should have the extra bolts on the head and block.
You would have to machine it but have them there.
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/13/11 12:33 AM
Quote:Quote:
Leon contact Scott Brown, he has some good info on these engines. Over 426 will require a custom crank and getting rid of the factory reluctor wheel off the crank. No big deal as you will prob just run a external crank trigger anyway. No one has really built one of these engines for nitrous, But imagine this, 426 cubes, sheetmetal intake, fuel injection, 2 foggers could be 4 stages of dry nitrous.....I know sounds pretty nice Oh yea they have been making in the 800 - 850 range already NA with these engines.....best part is they are considered Small Blocks by most racing sanctions , at least for now...LOL
I think the biggest problem ,when you get to this level , will be head gasket sealing.
Mopar should have the extra bolts on the head and block.
You would have to machine it but have them there.
Leon, Kurt Busch is in super gas and running an aluminum G3 with 1600 hp and thats with 6.1 heads.
Apparently the 6.1 don't flow well above 8000 rpm
but the 6.4 heads take care of that.He is at 8:30 at 168 with 17 psi turbo.
The guy who build the engine is Donnie Lewis at MERE.
Now for another question which block to use?
Are all the block the same except for the level of machining?
And remember that with a production head
Posted By: Leon441
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/13/11 02:00 AM
The BES engine masters engine had some tricks but, obviously nothing that could not be bought. Tony offered that engine with fuel injection for $10,000. How can you complain about a price like that.
Leon
Leon
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/13/11 03:07 AM
Leon i know Barton is making some serious steam with these new HEMI's.
Just look at what he did at Indy!!
If he did not have to follow the nhra rules, he could make some REAL SERIOUS power!!!
What i am saying is that people are making the power.
Ray said at Indy that he had just started messing with that motor and hadnt really done anything yet.
Just look at what he did at Indy!!
If he did not have to follow the nhra rules, he could make some REAL SERIOUS power!!!
What i am saying is that people are making the power.
Ray said at Indy that he had just started messing with that motor and hadnt really done anything yet.
Posted By: Irun5snd8th
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/13/11 04:46 AM
Ask him how many they have blown up trying to get to that power level. Furthermore 6 of them blew up at Indy. Keep asking questions and have yet to get a definitive answer on what the oiling issue is with these blocks and how to fix it. Barton said if he built it the issue would be resolved but would not elude what the issue was
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/13/11 03:35 PM
Yeah sadly that is how the game is played.
Barton dont want to give away his secrects.
I cant blame him, but it does not help anyone else.
It puts money in his pocket, but thats how he takes care of his family.
And im sure he spent some money to learn about those HEMI's.
The oiling issue could be as simple as something they cant change due to the rules for stock and super stock.
Barton dont want to give away his secrects.
I cant blame him, but it does not help anyone else.
It puts money in his pocket, but thats how he takes care of his family.
And im sure he spent some money to learn about those HEMI's.
The oiling issue could be as simple as something they cant change due to the rules for stock and super stock.
Posted By: hemidup
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/13/11 06:40 PM
I really don't think there is an oiling issue. The way these new Hemi's are oiled the 7/8 rod's are the last to get oiled. The main problems/failures come from the 5/6 rods, next the 3/4 rods getting married to the crank. Never seen a failure with the 1st oiled 1/2 or the last oiled 7/8 journals.
I take it Barton also know's there's an issue with with the exhaust rocker shafts at high rpm. Right after Indy he personally called and bought a set of our rocker shaft ties.
I have my own thought's and theories as to why the center 4 cylinder's have issue's and it ain't oil.
I take it Barton also know's there's an issue with with the exhaust rocker shafts at high rpm. Right after Indy he personally called and bought a set of our rocker shaft ties.
I have my own thought's and theories as to why the center 4 cylinder's have issue's and it ain't oil.
Posted By: Irun5snd8th
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/14/11 02:38 AM
Yeah I was hearing alot about the 5/6 being an issue. I just want someone to give me an honest answer about what the issue is. I have no interest in speding 10 grand to do research. I will let Barton do that. 
Posted By: MattW
Re: Mopar Alum. 6.1 Hemi blocks - 10/14/11 02:01 PM
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I really don't think there is an oiling issue. The way these new Hemi's are oiled the 7/8 rod's are the last to get oiled. The main problems/failures come from the 5/6 rods, next the 3/4 rods getting married to the crank. Never seen a failure with the 1st oiled 1/2 or the last oiled 7/8 journals.
I take it Barton also know's there's an issue with with the exhaust rocker shafts at high rpm. Right after Indy he personally called and bought a set of our rocker shaft ties.
I have my own thought's and theories as to why the center 4 cylinder's have issue's and it ain't oil.
Sounds like the centre 4 rods are cavitating like the smallblock would if you got over a certain RPM