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Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it?
Posted By: domingo
Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/11/11 10:46 PM
Hi!
I was wondering if the Barton HEMI Rocker System (the one with the individual shafts) is really worth it over lets, say, a Stage V roller rockers system.
Thanks!
Domingo
Posted By: Dragula
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 12:18 AM
Depends on cam lift and usage. The OEM style rocker gear has high side loads, and can be a pain to get oiling to the tips of the push rods. I generally have to replace the titanium lash caps each year. The guys running the Barton set-ups run more lift and rpm than I do with few issues. My cam is .780" lift with lots of spring pressure and I street it. If my heads could run them, I would.Stage V is really good, but I think the benifits from the newer design becomes a must at a certain point.
Posted By: domingo
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 12:21 AM
right......besides, a nice roller setup with stage V roller rockers, hardened thick wall shafts, aluminum stands, etc isnt cheap as well....might as well go for the good stuff from the get go an be done with it!
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 12:23 AM
The Barton piece is made by T&D & is a beautiful piece. Expensive, but very nice...
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 01:12 AM
I bought them, but my engine is so mild it didn't need them, that's for sure.
And NOBODY better complain about cost, as when I bought them the dollar was at 62 cents. I paid almost $5000 for my rockers.
O-U-C-H.
Posted By: rowin4
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 01:17 AM
Do you have to do any drilling or machine work to fit the Ray Barton individual rocker set up? They even look expensive.
Posted By: mac56
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 01:19 AM
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I bought them, but my engine is so mild it didn't need them, that's for sure.
And NOBODY better complain about cost, as when I bought them the dollar was at 62 cents. I paid almost $5000 for my rockers.
O-U-C-H.
Now that is pretty 
Posted By: DusterDave
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 01:28 AM
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Hi!
I was wondering if the Barton HEMI Rocker System (the one with the individual shafts) is really worth it over lets, say, a Stage V roller rockers system.
Thanks!
Domingo
Short answer.....you don't "need" them for what you're building. Just buy a set of rockers that have a track record of keeping pushrod cups oiled sufficiently, and their ratios are close to the advertised numbers.
Posted By: 6440nssa
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 01:32 AM
Money well spent, not a problem in five years.
Posted By: domingo
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 01:38 AM
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Hi!
I was wondering if the Barton HEMI Rocker System (the one with the individual shafts) is really worth it over lets, say, a Stage V roller rockers system.
Thanks!
Domingo
Short answer.....you don't "need" them for what you're building. Just buy a set of rockers that have a track record of keeping pushrod cups oiled sufficiently, and their ratios are close to the advertised numbers.
They will be for a 4,5 bore hemi,4,375 billet crank, stage V CNC raised exh port heads, pump gas.....want to shoot for 900 hp? maybe more if possible....
Domingo
Posted By: rowin4
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 01:39 AM
If I got a set of those I would need to get a set of Charlie Westcott"s [ Hemi Mallitia ] see through valve covers.
Posted By: hemigod426
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 02:06 AM
STAGE V-STAGE V-STAGE V if you gunna turn it 8,500 rpms plus then id go jessel hemi rockers.
Posted By: racingblues1426
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 03:35 AM
I had to do some minor grinding to make them sit flat on a new set of stage V hemi head motor. They are the proverbial cat meow for a high (800 up) lift cam. Price must have went up--last set i bought was $3400.
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 04:25 PM
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Do you have to do any drilling or machine work to fit the Ray Barton individual rocker set up?
Barton assembled mine, it's the first and only engine I've had built for me by somebody else.
Great looking rocker setup, but they obviously look exactly like every other rocker system once the valve covers are on....
Posted By: Dave Watt
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 05:00 PM
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Great looking rocker setup, but they obviously look exactly like every other rocker system once the valve covers are on....
Time for some clear top valve covers. 
Posted By: Hemi Allstate
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 05:07 PM
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Do you have to do any drilling or machine work to fit the Ray Barton individual rocker set up?
Barton assembled mine, it's the first and only engine I've had built for me by somebody else.
Great looking rocker setup, but they obviously look exactly like every other rocker system once the valve covers are on....
You need a set of these for a Hemi! 
Posted By: hemigod426
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 05:07 PM
member here is blowing out a set of t/d new hemi rockers on ebay now
Posted By: chryco
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 06:08 PM
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Hi!
I was wondering if the Barton HEMI Rocker System (the one with the individual shafts) is really worth it over lets, say, a Stage V roller rockers system.
Thanks!
Domingo
YUP !
Posted By: Keith Black®
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 10:20 PM
Great subject..
How would the T&D's compare vs the Jesels?
How would the Stage V's live, say in comparison, considering side-loading issues on valves? ...what would the expected reduction in valve guide/value wear life be?
Posted By: sshemi
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 10:22 PM
Isnt stage v what every several thousen hp cars use?
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 10:39 PM
unless a hardcore build with over .750 lift even factory none roller rockers can be used. I used narrow pads on a motor with a .720 lift cam for over 250 passes. never any problem. with a cost of 3500.00 it's overkill in 95% of time.
Posted By: Darrell
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 11:40 PM
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member here is blowing out a set of t/d new hemi rockers on ebay now
Yep, he has had them for sale here in the Hemi Engine section for about 6 weeks now. I don't know how maney sets he had but I bought a set from him about a month ago. No, I didn't need them either for my 525 build, but the price was right and Mike was a great guy to deal with!!
Posted By: Keith Black®
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/12/11 11:47 PM
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unless a hardcore build with over .750 lift even factory none roller rockers can be used. I used narrow pads on a motor with a .720 lift cam for over 250 passes. never any problem. with a cost of 3500.00 it's overkill in 95% of time.
what about in a regularly street driven car where durability/low maintenance is also important.. ?
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 03:40 AM
Can you mill off the stands off the Indy Legend heads and use the Barton Hemi T & D Rockers?
Has it been done?
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 03:58 AM
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unless a hardcore build with over .750 lift even factory none roller rockers can be used. I used narrow pads on a motor with a .720 lift cam for over 250 passes. never any problem. with a cost of 3500.00 it's overkill in 95% of time.
what about in a regularly street driven car where durability/low maintenance is also important.. ?
In that environment they are absolutly perfect to use.
They were good enough even for the first pro stock cars which revved as high as 9,000 rpm before any aftermarket ones were made.if they could stand 250 passes and 7700 rpm at the traps .
Should I chose to put a set on a motor I would consider having a used set reconditioned . Rocker Arm Specialists is the outfit that does the work.They will regrind the pads and remove any wear spots,check the bushings and replace if needed.
Dick Landy used to sell rockers that were black powered coated or plated to all the fuel guys. He would check them for proper ratio and clean them up removing any parting lines.I have seen those on many nostalgia builds. . I still have as set.
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 04:29 AM
Before I installed a set of Mopar Performance roller rockers I had a black set of DLI's.I beleive the MP's are made by DLI as well.
Posted By: B G Racing
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 05:31 AM
All the Mopar roller rockers I have have DLI logo on them
Posted By: 572charger
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 02:23 PM
ray barton T-Ds on mine since 2003 7,000 + miles and 150+ 9 and a few 8 second passes never come out of adj best investment for a hemi !!
Posted By: chryco
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 06:31 PM
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ray barton T-Ds on mine since 2003 7,000 + miles and 150+ 9 and a few 8 second passes never come out of adj best investment for a hemi !!
My point exactly . High dollar ...but the valve covers stay on longer.
Chryco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmLj-Z44mo
Posted By: domingo
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 06:38 PM
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ray barton T-Ds on mine since 2003 7,000 + miles and 150+ 9 and a few 8 second passes never come out of adj best investment for a hemi !!
My point exactly . High dollar ...but the valve covers stay on longer.
Chryco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmLj-Z44mo
That sounds good. I always hear the downside of a HEMI is the complicated and awkward valvetrain....I guess that anything that improves upon the original design has to be a plus.
Posted By: Keith Black®
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 08:04 PM
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ray barton T-Ds on mine since 2003 7,000 + miles and 150+ 9 and a few 8 second passes never come out of adj best investment for a hemi !!
.. no wear ..? do you reckon they're good for, say, 20,000+ miles.. how have the valves/guides worn?
durability & wear stats of the StageV, T&D, Jesel systems would be informative from anyone using them for sustained periods?
Posted By: DodgeCharger
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 08:08 PM
They are worth it! I have them on my Cuda since 2003. I also drive it on the street and strip. They never go out of adjustment.
Posted By: Gumbydammit
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 08:16 PM
I've worked with them on Ralph's KB hemi. Rock solid design. Sent them back to T&D for a rebuild for $150 just because the engine was out of the car. Great customer service.
Here is the ebay link to the ones for sale. Good price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/mopar-per...=item2a0edf6c55
Posted By: 72Challenger
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 08:27 PM
I've used the stock narrow ones Fred was talking about for 6 yrs now. Around 750hp started out as street/strip, but since last year race only. .670 lift / 7k rpms never had a single problem or weird valve adjustment etc. Old design, old set but works fine for me.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/13/11 09:32 PM
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I've used the stock narrow ones Fred was talking about for 6 yrs now. Around 750hp started out as street/strip, but since last year race only. .670 lift / 7k rpms never had a single problem or weird valve adjustment etc. Old design, old set but works fine for me.
within that lift there will never be any problems
Posted By: an8sec70cuda
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/15/11 01:34 PM
I have the DLI rockers on mine. Been on there for almost 5 years running mid 9s and a lot of street miles. I check the valves twice a year, but they never move really.
From what I've been told, unless you're running 8k+ rpm on a regular basis, the T&D/Barton rockers are not needed and have no benefit. Nothing wrong w/ them at all, just money you don't need to spend.
They are pretty though.
Posted By: BobR
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/15/11 02:57 PM
The BAE rockers we just paid close to 6 grand for are the nicest rockers/systen I've ever seen. I'm not sure if they fit non BAE applications though.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/16/11 03:11 AM
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The BAE rockers we just paid close to 6 grand for are the nicest rockers/systen I've ever seen. I'm not sure if they fit non BAE applications though.
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Posted By: Teamx
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/16/11 09:03 AM
I have these Norris arms the rocker geomatry is perfect!
Posted By: cbarracuda
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 01:19 AM
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ray barton T-Ds on mine since 2003 7,000 + miles and 150+ 9 and a few 8 second passes never come out of adj best investment for a hemi !!
My point exactly . High dollar ...but the valve covers stay on longer.
Chryco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmLj-Z44mo
That sounds good. I always hear the downside of a HEMI is the complicated and awkward valvetrain....I guess that anything that improves upon the original design has to be a plus.
Domingo I can only say one thing: Get that car out of the garage and RACE RACE RACE. This 27 go to the track and race, you have a heads up against my small block, motor to motor. 4 years ago you said you would beat every car in Peru and I'm still waiting to get beat. 
Posted By: domingo
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 01:29 AM
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ray barton T-Ds on mine since 2003 7,000 + miles and 150+ 9 and a few 8 second passes never come out of adj best investment for a hemi !!
My point exactly . High dollar ...but the valve covers stay on longer.
Chryco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmLj-Z44mo
That sounds good. I always hear the downside of a HEMI is the complicated and awkward valvetrain....I guess that anything that improves upon the original design has to be a plus.
Domingo I can only say one thing: Get that car out of the garage and RACE RACE RACE. This 27 go to the track and race, you have a heads up against my small block, motor to motor. 4 years ago you said you would beat every car in Peru and I'm still waiting to get beat.
$#!t happens man, I just broke my knee. A year ago, I broke my leg. It took me a full year to partially recover and now I broke my knee, same leg.
Id like to be racing, its just that I can't get to it. My race car is ready.
Ive gone to the races and raced everytime I was able to, health permitting. With my Challenger and the SRT-10 truck.
I havent said I would go there and beat everyone (although thats what everybody says, they must be scared or something, otherwise there wouldnt be so much BS talk flying around), although it would be nice...and very possible. Guess you will have to wait some more to find out.
Posted By: cbarracuda
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 02:12 AM
How many years? stop hurting yourself
I guess you´re waiting for me to retire
I would be nice if you show up the 27 so you can grab a lane
Posted By: domingo
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 02:33 AM
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How many years? stop hurting yourself I guess you´re waiting for me to retire I would be nice if you show up the 27 so you can grab a lane
I really wanted to do that, that was the plan, and the race car is ready...but its gonna be impossible. I broke my knee it buckled backwards. Thats gonna take some serious rehab and lots of time to heal.
Yeah I know it sucks, but it is what it is.
Posted By: fishy340
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 02:35 AM
just order em from t&d and save $ 1500 for the name
Posted By: cbarracuda
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 02:45 AM
Hey man, I didn't know that but now i know why you´re online
hope you get better
Posted By: domingo
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 03:17 AM
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Hey man, I didn't know that but now i know why you´re online hope you get better
Yes, its boring, and most of all FRUSTRATING, and thats why im spending so much time here lately instad of turning wrenches at my shop.
Thanks.
Posted By: OUTLAWSSAA
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 02:54 PM
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just order em from t&d and save $ 1500 for the name
You can't,they will tell you to order them through Barton.
Posted By: Mopar_Rich
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 03:14 PM
Unless I missed it, nobody has mentioned that you need to use oil spray bars because there is no rocker shaft that carries oil. Spray bars can be a bitc$ to get right. With a race application there's plenty of oil bouncing around, but on the street you better get oil to all the critical spots.
In my opinion it's an overkill for a street motor, but I have noticed less valve guide wear with these rockers.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 05:10 PM
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Unless I missed it, nobody has mentioned that you need to use oil spray bars because there is no rocker shaft that carries oil. Spray bars can be a bitc$ to get right. With a race application there's plenty of oil bouncing around, but on the street you better get oil to all the critical spots.
In my opinion it's an overkill for a street motor, but I have noticed less valve guide wear with these rockers.
Could they be run with pushrod oiling ?
Posted By: JAKE68
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 05:33 PM
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Unless I missed it, nobody has mentioned that you need to use oil spray bars because there is no rocker shaft that carries oil. Spray bars can be a bitc$ to get right. With a race application there's plenty of oil bouncing around, but on the street you better get oil to all the critical spots.
In my opinion it's an overkill for a street motor, but I have noticed less valve guide wear with these rockers.
Could they be run with pushrod oiling ?
yes i would highly recomend it.
Posted By: Mopar_Rich
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 05:43 PM
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Could they be run with pushrod oiling ?
Sure - in fact it's preferred, but the oil line that Ray provides is sitting right next to the push rod cups so with careful assembly it's not really needed. But you still have to get oil to each shaft.
Posted By: HEMIFRED
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 03/17/11 05:44 PM
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Unless I missed it, nobody has mentioned that you need to use oil spray bars because there is no rocker shaft that carries oil. Spray bars can be a bitc$ to get right. With a race application there's plenty of oil bouncing around, but on the street you better get oil to all the critical spots.
In my opinion it's an overkill for a street motor, but I have noticed less valve guide wear with these rockers.
Could they be run with pushrod oiling ?
mine are that way but you need to make sure the block has oiling in the bushings
Posted By: MoparJunkie
Re: Ray Barton HEMI Rocker System: worth it? - 12/10/16 06:48 PM
If I got a set of those I would need to get a set of Charlie Westcott"s [ Hemi Mallitia ] see through valve covers. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scope.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/popcrn.gif" alt="" />
Where do I get said valve covers????? I'd like a set!