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New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons

Posted By: RyanJ

New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:18 AM

I got this sample piston @ end of last week from Wiseco for evaluation.... This will be a new shelf stocking piston for them.

One of their engineers solicited info a while back on what was missing from the piston market for SB Mopar these days & I chimed in that I'd like to see another Dome offering. Every piston company out there had flat tops & Dish pistons but, Ross pretty much had a monopoly on the 4" Crank dome piston market, & their dome is a bit "clunky" & they are only offered in 4.07 bore which really limits you... The Ross piston is pretty basic, they took their 4" flat top & added a large 23 degree Chevy dome profile to it... was'nt alot of thought or effort in it...

The new wiseco has a much nicer SB Mopar specific profiled dome that will fit pretty much any aftermarket SB Chrysler head, B1-BA, Edelbrock, INDY, W2, W5 etc. This should fit any 18 degree SB head. I checked the dome this afternoon in an OOB Edelbrock 63 CC chamber head & clearance was fine.

The Dome displace +8 CC of total volume... For some examples of what this thing will do compression wise:

Typical 408, with 68 CC OOB CNC INDY head: ~13.2:1 compression
416 With 65 CC Edelbrock: 14.0:1

Finally have a decent piece to use off the shelf & can make race gas compression levels with these semi big chamber heads in the 65+ CC range so we don't have to cut the hell out of the deck of heads to build compression with a flat top or order customs to get a good dome piston.

The other 2 big benefits to this new piece to me is the 10 vertical gas ports & the .043"/.043"/3MM ring grooves Finally someone has brought today's technology & put it in an off the shelf piece.

Typical 1.46" CH, .984" pin diameter only (for now, hopefully .927" coming in future) Which will mean 9.583" deck height for zero deck. Should work good with most factory blocks out there unless they've previously been heavily decked in the past.

Skirts are coated, just like their Pro Tru line.

Valve relief depths are around .280" intake & .165" exhaust. The exhaust hopefully is going to get plunged a little deeper in future runs, but depending on head/cam, should be ok as long as the head has'nt been milled to death.

& Lastly, I'm glad they chose to offer them in a wide variety of bore sizes, Diamond is really the only other maker out there who seems to understand not everyone runs 4.03" or 4.07 bores. Finding a good useable 340 & even 360 these days is getting harder & harder, so having piston bore size limit your choices really hurts. These pistons will be avail in 4.03, 4.04, 4.06, 4.08, 4.10 Bore.

I've got a bunch of 4" crank bracket type motors running around out there with flat tops that I wish had these in them. Should be a great piece for future builds.

Kudo's to Wiseco for listening to what the consumers want & making a nice piece.



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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:19 AM

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:20 AM

Skirts/Rings

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:21 AM

Pin Boss

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Posted By: AndyF

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:24 AM

Looks great. I've never used Wiseco but I'd be interested in giving them a try on a future motor. I do think I'd only be interested in a Chevy piston pin though. I'd be hard pressed to find a reason to run a Mopar connecting rod in anything I build anymore.
Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:25 AM

So,,4.040" will be a shelf piston? This is good to know. Been waiting on some replacement pistons from Ross...4+ weeks. Maybe next boring will get Diamond pistons.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:27 AM

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So,,4.040" will be a shelf piston? This is good to know. Been waiting on some replacement pistons from Ross...4+ weeks. Maybe next boring will get Diamond pistons.




Yes 4.04 off shelf.
Posted By: emarine01

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:47 AM

Ryan, whats the weight give or take a little?
Posted By: Hot 340

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 01:51 AM

Would be nice if they jumped on the 4.250 bandwagon, the 4" one is is gonna loose steam.
Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 02:04 AM

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So,,4.040" will be a shelf piston? This is good to know. Been waiting on some replacement pistons from Ross...4+ weeks. Maybe next boring will get Diamond pistons.




Yes 4.04 off shelf.




Sorry,,,don't know what I was thinking,,,mis-spoke,,,should have said Wiesco, not Diamond...
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 02:14 AM

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Would be nice if they jumped on the 4.250 bandwagon, the 4" one is is gonna loose steam.




I doubt that, the 4" is gonna be very popular for a long time. 4.25 has it's place & I'm building 2 of them right now, but so does the 4" & you gotta think about how many 4" cranks are out there already.

Until there is a relatively large selection of big stroke pistons off shelf from a variety of companies, the 4" stuff will remain the industry standard IMO. These companies have to make an educated guess as to potential unit sales when doing a piece like this & until they see big market for the bigger stroke stuff they not gonna make big stroke pistons off shelf.

Not every SB motor needs a 4.25 crank. Just like not every Big Block Chrysler needs a 4.50" crank... Just because costs same as a 4.25 or a 4.15.... they all have their place.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 02:17 AM

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Ryan, whats the weight give or take a little?




Excellent question...I thought about that today& then we got busy this afternoon with some other stuff & I forgot to weigh it today before I left the shop. I'll get you a weight on it... I'm fairly confident it is lighter than the Ross. I'm guessing it's about 485 just based on what their flat tops weight.
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 02:22 AM

Ryan,

To compare, I have a Ross 99789 in my hand right now, just weighed it....489.3 grams. Lets see how the Wiseco does.XL400 forging
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 02:38 AM

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Ryan,

To compare, I have a Ross 99789 in my hand right now, just weighed it....489.3 grams. Lets see how the Wiseco does.XL400 forging




That's 4.03 bore advertised @ 479. I was thinking they were even more than that, the 4.07's are advertised @ 497 Gram & I kind of remember weighing some in the 510-515 range. I also have to check what bore size is on this sample as well, but I'll get it measured & weighed.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 03:24 AM

i thought builders were getting away from domes because of the flame travel issues or is it that big of an issue? maybe i should be looking for a dome instead of a flat top,then i could save my heads and deck.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/09/11 03:50 AM

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i thought builders were getting away from domes because of the flame travel issues or is it that big of an issue? maybe i should be looking for a dome instead of a flat top,then i could save my heads and deck.




This is not a very obtrusive dome size/shape.... I've made 760 Hp with INDY 360-1 heads with a dome that looked almost identical to this one. In a perfect world, yes I'd rather have a flat top @ 14:1 than a dome @ 14:1, but you gotta do what gotta do, it's not that big of a deal, we're not building Pro Stock motors here.
Posted By: Discoquik

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/10/11 05:20 PM

.927" versions will be available shortly in the same bore sizes.
Posted By: mr_340

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/10/11 05:29 PM

It's good to see something for a 4.06" bore. I see a lot of 4.03 and then skip to 4.07". I'd figure ring selection for 4.06" would be better than 4.07" or 4.08".
Posted By: Dartwizer

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/11/11 01:20 PM

When are they going into production?
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/11/11 01:30 PM

Ryan,we recieved a piston from Weisco also.It looks like a great piece.We would also like to see it in a larger bore since the quality of the new blocks will allow large bores.
Thanks to Weisco for their continued development for Mopar.
Posted By: emarine01

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/11/11 04:15 PM

How will this dome work out on W5s? It looks like it will have a void area in the heart shape of W5 and the spark plug may fall on the edge of the dome, Any chance of a pic of a W5 chamber next to this piston
Posted By: dartman366

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/11/11 04:27 PM

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When are they going into production?


these work with the lg port commando's too??
Posted By: Discoquik

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/11/11 05:32 PM

Having a solid dome, recontouring to fit the less popular applications is possible. It should fit 90% of the stuff out there as is, the minor rework needed for the other 10% is easily offset in the cost savings of a shelf stock part. Even with a "fits all" dome there will always be a small portion of the market that will need slight rework or a custom piston to fit the application. Thinking here is you can always take material away, can't put it back.

Still trying to figure out how to make screw on dome pistons...
Posted By: DavidDean

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/11/11 05:41 PM

I'll hang on to this one .Thanks for the post
Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/12/11 12:45 AM

This is a huge deal for me because I run the Ross piston and will have to bore mine this coming winter. Ryan is just awesome for posting all this stuff. I now have several pieces on my engine because of posts by him. Heck I was running the wrong oil filter mount on my R block and didnt even know till I read one of his posts. If I ever step this engine up with a new set of heads; I know where I am going.
Posted By: barracuda man

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/15/11 12:49 AM

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When are they going into production?


x2 RyanJ on the 416cu at 14:1 compression.What head gaskit is used.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/15/11 12:55 AM

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When are they going into production?


x2 RyanJ on the 416cu at 14:1 compression.What head gaskit is used.




Cometic is all I use above 11:1

They are waiting for new batch of Forgings, but if you "need" a set ASAP, they are willing to do run of Customs in this spec for same cost until they get caught back up on forgings. The new forgings are supposed to be few weeks out & will have a .250" exhaust pocket for increased piston to valve with the bigger cams.
Posted By: barracuda man

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/15/11 01:13 AM

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When are they going into production?


x2 RyanJ on the 416cu at 14:1 compression.What head gaskit is used.




Cometic is all I use above 11:1

They are waiting for new batch of Forgings, but if you "need" a set ASAP, they are willing to do run of Customs in this spec for same cost until they get caught back up on forgings. The new forgings are supposed to be few weeks out & will have a .250" exhaust pocket for increased piston to valve with the bigger cams.


Will they be a package deal with pins and rings.
Posted By: barracuda man

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/15/11 01:26 AM

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When are they going into production?


x2 RyanJ on the 416cu at 14:1 compression.What head gaskit is used.




Cometic is all I use above 11:1

They are waiting for new batch of Forgings, but if you "need" a set ASAP, they are willing to do run of Customs in this spec for same cost until they get caught back up on forgings. The new forgings are supposed to be few weeks out & will have a .250" exhaust pocket for increased piston to valve with the bigger cams.


I'm looking for 11:5 to 12:1 compression on the 418cu.I have 65"cometic gaskits.what compression will i have with a 65cc eldlebrock 340 heads.
Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/15/11 06:16 AM

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When are they going into production?


x2 RyanJ on the 416cu at 14:1 compression.What head gaskit is used.




Cometic is all I use above 11:1

They are waiting for new batch of Forgings, but if you "need" a set ASAP, they are willing to do run of Customs in this spec for same cost until they get caught back up on forgings. The new forgings are supposed to be few weeks out & will have a .250" exhaust pocket for increased piston to valve with the bigger cams.


I'm looking for 11:5 to 12:1 compression on the 418cu.I have 65"cometic gaskits.what compression will i have with a 65cc eldlebrock 340 heads.



You would be closer to 13:1 with the Ross domed pistons so my gut says you would be close to the same with these from the info Ryan has given thus far.
Posted By: Discoquik

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 02/15/11 07:20 PM

Due date for all oversizes is 3/18/11 for finished parts in all oversizes. We did some internal milling to take some weight out with added dome rise that is needed to compensate for the deeper valve pocket. Wound up a little lighter than the samples sent to Ryan, Indy, Muscle Motors, Bob G, Koffel, Hughes, and Compuflow.

Should be able to order through any distributor with K0011B3/4/6/8 or 100 oversize part numbers and includes piston, rings, and clips.

.927" pin versions do not have a part number as of yet, but in process.

As a side note 318 flat top and dish parts are on the way for 4.00" stroker combos in the Pro Tru line.
Posted By: ddart81

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 03/05/11 02:32 PM

Please, where can I buy these pistons? How much it costs? I'm looking for these pistons with 4.040.
For 318 stroker, with 3.970 bore, do you know where to buy dome pistons, to reach 14.5:1 desired compression, with 68 cc heads?
Posted By: barracuda man

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 03/16/11 03:04 AM

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Due date for all oversizes is 3/18/11 for finished parts in all oversizes. We did some internal milling to take some weight out with added dome rise that is needed to compensate for the deeper valve pocket. Wound up a little lighter than the samples sent to Ryan, Indy, Muscle Motors, Bob G, Koffel, Hughes, and Compuflow.

Should be able to order through any distributor with K0011B3/4/6/8 or 100 oversize part numbers and includes piston, rings, and clips.

.927" pin versions do not have a part number as of yet, but in process.

As a side note 318 flat top and dish parts are on the way for 4.00" stroker combos in the Pro Tru line.


Any update on the pistons.
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 03/16/11 03:24 AM

Yes..PM me.
Posted By: meus31

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 05/02/11 03:43 AM

Any body build anything yet with these pistons and could these be ordered ith a zero cc piston basically a dome big enough to take up the valve notches. thanks all
Posted By: Discoquik

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 05/02/11 08:02 PM

Koffel has used two sets. They are solid domes so they can be milled to be "0"cc's if need be. They are 8cc out of the box.
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: New 4" Crank Dome Piston Offering from Wiseco Pistons - 05/02/11 08:53 PM

Brett,

I have a sample you can look at. I will try to call you later tonight.

Todd
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