Posted By: BobsProFab
1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 02:29 AM
think it can be done at 410 ci using a P7 style head ?
this would take 2.68 per cube
this would take 2.68 per cube
1100 HP out of a N/A small block
Posted By: 5spdcuda
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 02:52 AM
I would doubt it. Nascar cup engines are probably as highly developed as any n a two valve pushrod engine. Pro stock engines are probably comparable in terms of development. In any case 355 cid cup engines are generally thought to produce roughly 830-850 hp. At 850 hp a 355 cid engine is producing 2.394 hp per cu in. Since engines of the same basic design generally produce less hp per cube as the size goes up it seems to me that even with multiple carbs and freedom of design in the intake manifold 2.68 hp per cube at 410 cid would be very difficult to achieve.
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 02:52 AM
Dont know enough about P7 heads but with P5's I woudl think you could.
Posted By: biff426
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 03:12 AM
Quote:
I would doubt it. Nascar cup engines are probably as highly developed as any n a two valve pushrod engine. Pro stock engines are probably comparable in terms of development. In any case 355 cid cup engines are generally thought to produce roughly 830-850 hp. At 850 hp a 355 cid engine is producing 2.394 hp per cu in. Since engines of the same basic design generally produce less hp per cube as the size goes up it seems to me that even with multiple carbs and freedom of design in the intake manifold 2.68 hp per cube at 410 cid would be very difficult to achieve.
Remember cup motors have flat tappet cams and small carbs with no valve train or induction restictions a good comp elimn engine builder may get close but it would be as high maintenance as a playboy bunny
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 03:19 AM
I have a chevy canted valve engine 358cid that make's 975 so i would venture to guess yes its possible. Better buy lots of valve springs!
Posted By: fbs63
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 04:31 AM
Bob,
I dont think you can get enough CSA in a P7 head. I would guess they are optomized for 358 cubes and thin to save weight.
Bobo
I dont think you can get enough CSA in a P7 head. I would guess they are optomized for 358 cubes and thin to save weight.
Bobo
Posted By: HotRodDave
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 04:36 AM
Solid roller cam
Sheetmetal tunnel ram
Much higher compression ratio because you can use better fuel
55 more cubes
Drag car can be built to use narrower TQ curve witch can allow you to build a higher peak HP number. Still with all that 300 more hp is a tall order but I think it could be done, and yes you will need lots of valve springs.
Mabey you could mix your own e-85 with 15% 115 octane gasoline and 85% ethanol and that could add a few more HP by bringing in a little more oxygen than is possible with pure gasoline.
Sheetmetal tunnel ram
Much higher compression ratio because you can use better fuel
55 more cubes
Drag car can be built to use narrower TQ curve witch can allow you to build a higher peak HP number. Still with all that 300 more hp is a tall order but I think it could be done, and yes you will need lots of valve springs.
Mabey you could mix your own e-85 with 15% 115 octane gasoline and 85% ethanol and that could add a few more HP by bringing in a little more oxygen than is possible with pure gasoline.
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 04:40 AM
We run VP import.
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 05:00 AM
40% nitro/alky mix should get the job done 
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 05:06 AM
Quote:
Bob,
I dont think you can get enough CSA in a P7 head. I would guess they are optomized for 358 cubes and thin to save weight.
Bobo
BoBo to make that with a cup head already ported would be a tall order
this would take a new casting with the right guy doing the work
Posted By: Mike Swann
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 05:53 AM
Quote:
40% nitro/alky mix should get the job done
Lol
Posted By: 9 Sec Phill
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 07:42 AM
"You can do it"
Posted By: STEFF
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 03:26 PM
Quote:Quote:
Bob,
I dont think you can get enough CSA in a P7 head. I would guess they are optomized for 358 cubes and thin to save weight.
Bobo
BoBo to make that with a cup head already ported would be a tall order
this would take a new casting with the right guy doing the work
Call Folts (CFE). They'll tell you if it's do-able or not.
Posted By: moderncylinder
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 03:31 PM
patterson built a chevy using the best of the best,, 400 inches,, two dominators,, made a little over 1100
i think you can do it with two carbs,, not one
who will do the heads?
i think you can do it with two carbs,, not one
who will do the heads?
Posted By: joshking440
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 03:44 PM
What I want to know is how are you gonna run with me....even at 1100 hp... hahahahha
Posted By: mafo
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 04:16 PM
Nickens said they can make 1080 from 400 inches for 58000$... 
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 04:32 PM
Slawko Racing Heads 
Posted By: HardcoreB
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 05:17 PM
Quote:
...this would take a new casting...
I'm asking around, around here. Ya never know.
I may be able to get some UGL cam cores too.
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 05:26 PM
Quote:Quote:
...this would take a new casting...
I'm asking around, around here. Ya never know.
cam will be a gun drilled billet peice
and will take 1 inch lift 
Posted By: mafo
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 09:21 PM
Posted By: Get-X
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/24/11 09:44 PM
Kemp's single carb, CFE headed Chebbie made about 1K. The member here (Fastfish420 sp?) had a Mopar close to 1k with W-8s built by Uratchko. If you're talking about a sheet metal manifold, 2 carb engine unrestricted by rules or budgets than I have no doubt it could be done. I think the PS truck engines were there a long time ago Just bring your wheelbarrel full of dead presidents and let the games begin! 
Just bring your wheelbarrel full of dead presidents and let the games begin!
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 01:13 AM
billet runner sheet metal
Posted By: all spooled up
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 01:25 AM
i hope b bob has some deep pockets
Posted By: moderncylinder
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 02:41 AM
i have some used p 5 heads here that i think slawko did,, that im sending back to sonny stancil,, who has a stratus that ran 8.15 at 2500ft last year at indy with a 358 inch p5 at 3050lbs,,, he is trying to sell them,, i think he has the rockers and block too
Posted By: joshking440
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 02:58 AM
8.15 would get it done Bob
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 03:01 AM
Quote:
I think the PS truck engines were there a long time ago
Those would be the P5 heads.
Posted By: moderncylinder
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 03:16 AM
i talked to my buddy today,,, which he knew the combo,, patterson built a 400 inch small chevy using cfe sbx canted valve heads with a billet runner manifold from cfe,,, prob 20k for heads and manifold,,,, they made 1060 with two dominators on it and were happy
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 03:35 AM
the P5 stuff would be a cool deal but im set on doing the P7 deal
Slawko has the baddest SB2 head out there and said the P7 is a better head over the SB2
his lastest max effort SB2's on a 399 ci made 1105
oh yeah, this will be a budget build, no wheel barrel full of dead guys here
Slawko has the baddest SB2 head out there and said the P7 is a better head over the SB2
his lastest max effort SB2's on a 399 ci made 1105
oh yeah, this will be a budget build, no wheel barrel full of dead guys here
Posted By: His and Her 69's
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 09:32 AM
Good Luck Bob but with all the BILLET pieces you are talking of getting it SURE doesn't sound like a BUDGET DEAL to me.
I Guess my definition of a Budget might be different then yours.
I think I can only afford a set of disc brakes for my car this year according to my budget.
Keep Up the Good Work.
David
I Guess my definition of a Budget might be different then yours.
I think I can only afford a set of disc brakes for my car this year according to my budget.
Keep Up the Good Work.
David
Posted By: jg309
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 11:07 AM
thats it bob go getem jg309,you know my parts & specs & cost.you can doit
Posted By: FASTFISH420
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 10:21 PM
It would be close...but would take a boat load of coin..mine would probably make 1060 and some change with 2 carbs..
You said on a budget..I dont think so.Bob just buy mine and go racing..easy as that.I will even deliver it to your door..
You said on a budget..I dont think so.Bob just buy mine and go racing..easy as that.I will even deliver it to your door..
Posted By: Moparnut426
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 10:35 PM
Go for it, would sound sweet.
But I see catastrophic failure in your future. LOL
Im sure any chevy guy will tell ya to build an LS1....
Kasey
But I see catastrophic failure in your future. LOL
Im sure any chevy guy will tell ya to build an LS1....
Kasey
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 11:37 PM
Quote:
It would be close...but would take a boat load of coin..mine would probably make 1060 and some change with 2 carbs..
You said on a budget..I dont think so.Bob just buy mine and go racing..easy as that.I will even deliver it to your door..
Uratchko already ask if i wanted to buy yours,you have a trick W8 thats for sure but some of the P7 parts are here and more will be showing up in the next few weeks.
so theres no turning back now on it.
i will start this year out with my 358 P7 till this deal is finished up
and maybe my thinking compared to others on a budget deal is 2 different things
Posted By: b1dartsport
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/25/11 11:44 PM
Ls1 got beat in the latest small block engine masters build off by a gen 2 Hemi
Posted By: blown451
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/26/11 01:07 AM
Quote:
Nickens said they can make 1080 from 400 inches for 58000$...
About 8 years ago they had a 406 chevy making over 1000 with a single 4 barrel!
Posted By: Hitman340
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/26/11 02:55 PM
Bob,You know all the right people in order to get this done and I'm sure when this thing comes out it will be nothing short of first class. 
Posted By: DakFink
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/27/11 07:09 PM
Let me know what company you get springs from. I'm buying stock in that company!!!
It will definitely be a screamer!!! 10,000rpms maybe?
It will definitely be a screamer!!! 10,000rpms maybe?
Posted By: DakFink
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/27/11 07:16 PM
Now you got me rethinking my combo!!!
A Ritter Block with P7's and a Pair of 88mm Hairdryers stroken about 4.250 inches.
A Ritter Block with P7's and a Pair of 88mm Hairdryers stroken about 4.250 inches.
Posted By: Leon441
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/28/11 01:08 AM
Got a couple sets of P7's that I am really really attached to. But, I know of a certain 468 short block that would definately incourage me to change my mind.
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/28/11 01:42 AM
will run the Pac dual P/S springs on it, should get 35 to 40 passes out of them
these went out UPS today to Slawko Racing Heads for Tom to perform his magic touch
these went out UPS today to Slawko Racing Heads for Tom to perform his magic touch
Posted By: LA360
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/28/11 10:39 AM
I don't think a P7 will get there, most of the Pro Stock stuff in Australia I don't believe has tipped over the 1100hp mark as yet. most are running with around 1050-1070hp and are running all the tricks in the book at 400 cubes. 10K may be harder on springs than you think.
Keep us posted on how you go Bob,
Keep us posted on how you go Bob,
Posted By: jg309
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/28/11 12:37 PM
bob still going right way, other than probily would be useing the endor PSI springs, as these are desing for 10,000 rpm jg309
Posted By: DakFink
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/28/11 05:25 PM
Quote:
Got a couple sets of P7's that I am really really attached to. But, I know of a certain 468 short block that would definately incourage me to change my mind.
Sorry Leon!! I got to hang on to it!!!
Posted By: 340RICK
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 01/29/11 03:42 PM
This is gonna be one cool build Bob.
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/08/11 06:03 AM
went up to Milan last night for the AM class to meet John from JTS to watch him tune on his lastest small block build.
440 inch with Slawko heads
best pass was a 8.11 @ 167 mph with a race weight of 2890 lbs on a tricky track after the rain, reading the info from the data it was spining in high gear and BK was pulling timing out to launch it on a 29.5 x 10.5 non W.
this is a single carb N/A combo with more in it.
BK is the man taking the win last night !
cant wait till mine is done
440 inch with Slawko heads
best pass was a 8.11 @ 167 mph
with a race weight of 2890 lbs on a tricky track after the rain, reading the info from the data it was spining in high gear and BK was pulling timing out to launch it on a 29.5 x 10.5 non W.this is a single carb N/A combo with more in it.
BK is the man taking the win last night !
cant wait till mine is done
Posted By: gregsdart
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/08/11 11:58 AM
Good luck on the combo and your quest! I wish I had the $$ to compete at that level, I am sure it will be a ton of fun.
Posted By: STEFF
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/08/11 12:25 PM
Quote:
went up to Milan last night for the AM class to meet John from JTS to watch him tune on his lastest small block build.
440 inch with Slawko heads
best pass was a 8.11 @ 167 mph
this is a single carb N/A combo with more in it.
BK is the man taking the win last night !
cant wait till mine is done
My money is on Butch for the 1st 7.99 All Motor Pass at Milan. I had to work late Friday & missed the race. I will not miss the next one. June's race is gong to be Killer!!
Posted By: Dartman928
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/08/11 02:16 PM
I missed the first one also.....I can't wait for next month
Posted By: Adrielp
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/08/11 03:10 PM
Quote:
I missed the first one also.....I can't wait for next month
Hey Bob, who cares if it can't be done? I say do it anyway cause thats how innovation happens. You might find what others have not plus if nothing else, you'll learn lots from the experience. Then when you get through, take the car to some races in the South so I can come watch lol
Posted By: Get-X
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/08/11 04:19 PM
Quote:
went up to Milan last night for the AM class to meet John from JTS to watch him tune on his lastest small block build.
440 inch with Slawko heads
best pass was a 8.11 @ 167 mph
this is a single carb N/A combo with more in it.
BK is the man taking the win last night !
cant wait till mine is done
I think Pettiwitt (sp?) went 8.06 with the Chevelle. That was with a 1.18 60' so it ain't gonna hook much harder than that. Chris said the da was about 1000', so they will probably see better air later on. I wouldn't rule out Vince Khoury, he was running teens and also has the potential to get it done. Should be interesting to see who gets to the 7's first.
Posted By: Leon441
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/08/11 04:28 PM
These guys are flying no doubt.
What are they using for transmissions?
Leon
What are they using for transmissions?
Leon
Posted By: STEFF
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/08/11 04:43 PM
Quote:
These guys are flying no doubt.
What are they using for transmissions?
Leon
I know Butch Kemp is a long time Pro Flite user. Not sure of anyone else.
Posted By: fishy340
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/09/11 02:21 AM
that motor in butch kemp's car is a sm blk sb2 built by jeremy shannon @ extreme engines here in LI NY its a cast intake also it went 8.11's @ 174mph... ps there's a sm blk here on moparts i wont say who,that has a stock blk 340 in it,,and it halls the mail pretty well also.
ps there's a sm blk here on moparts i wont say who,that has a stock blk 340 in it,,and it halls the mail pretty well also.
Posted By: Get-X
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/09/11 09:04 PM
Quote:
These guys are flying no doubt.
What are they using for transmissions?
Leon
I think it's a Rossler T-400 in the Chevelle. Liberty in Khoury's deal.
Posted By: BobR
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 02:40 PM
Quote:Quote:
I think the PS truck engines were there a long time ago
Those would be the P5 heads.
I know for a fact that the 358's didn't make 1100 HP.
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 03:01 PM
The Ritter block with the P5 head at 434" and two carbs would do it pretty easily I would think. Even at 410" should be no problem. Call Patterson up and talk to him. He told me to find a set of heads and he would build me one for a turbo application. The P7 would be my second choice. 
Posted By: moderncylinder
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 03:12 PM
i dont think butch went 174mph,, he went 5.162 @ 133.80
at the 1/8th,, that would be a 40 mph gain in the "big end",, which would be impossible for him n/a and an auto,, i thought i was told he went 164-165 or around there,, i think thats a solid 1000hp
at the 1/8th,, that would be a 40 mph gain in the "big end",, which would be impossible for him n/a and an auto,, i thought i was told he went 164-165 or around there,, i think thats a solid 1000hp
Posted By: joshking440
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 03:20 PM
The 174mph number was caused by faulty timing equipment. Kemp does not claim to have ran that number
Posted By: HardcoreB
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 04:08 PM
Quote:
The 174mph number was caused by faulty timing equipment. Kemp does not claim to have ran that number
X2 That's what I heard too...too bad I sent out about 3 text right after I saw that 174.95 MPH. I think the fastest MPH last Friday was by Khoury, in the BBC-powered grey Mustang, which was 170. I think the next few runs Kemp settled in around 166+ MPH.
Posted By: johnl1961
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 05:01 PM
I have a spread port small block head that is in R&D as we speak!
We are looking for big things out of this head! We will offer a intake as well as a cam!
We are looking for big things out of this head! We will offer a intake as well as a cam!
Posted By: fishy340
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 05:05 PM
Quote:you guys if you dont believe look on the bullet! early pass rolled the beams did 8.20..not on the 11 pass..ps thats a low deck sb 440 ci for u hatersQuote:
The 174mph number was caused by faulty timing equipment. Kemp does not claim to have ran that number
X2 That's what I heard too...too bad I sent out about 3 text right after I saw that 174.95 MPH. I think the fastest MPH last Friday was by Khoury, in the BBC-powered grey Mustang, which was 170. I think the next few runs Kemp settled in around 166+ MPH.
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 05:21 PM
Quote:
I have a spread port small block head that is in R&D as we speak!
We are looking for big things out of this head! We will offer a intake as well as a cam!
SB Mopar?? Pictures?
Posted By: HardcoreB
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 07:33 PM
Quote:
you guys if you dont believe look on the bullet! early pass rolled the beams did 8.20..not on the 11 pass..ps thats a low deck sb 440 ci for u haters
I don't have to look on the bullet...I was there. Not hating here.
How nice that you are proud of your engine builder. He's one of the people who communicated his disbelief about the MPH. There were a few quirks that night in that lane. When Butch 'rolled the beams' his '60 was 1.18. AGAIN somehow his MPH 'fell' to 166ish the rest of the night. NOONE in AM has run 174.95 MPH. I wouldn't believe everything you read on 'the bullet'.
Posted By: HardcoreB
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 07:40 PM
motor pic...
Posted By: fishy340
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 08:02 PM
the guy with the blk t shirt is jts carburators,john ten speed..im not pounding a chest,i could drive 10 miles and have jeremy build my motor,im just giving props to a kid,that shows some real real real big dogs a lesson,i know the motor is capable of running a HALF second faster then bartons hemi's all i can say is WOW a sb ps i prey bob can do it with the mopar..I AM a MOPAR FAN 1ST
ps i prey bob can do it with the mopar..I AM a MOPAR FAN 1ST
Posted By: fishy340
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 08:12 PM
Posted By: joshking440
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 08:31 PM
Bob was with the Kemp at Milan Friday and saw the pass and then saw the racepak screen after the run. Im no hater, Im impressed as hell buy the run,
Posted By: Whompin_Wedge
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 08:51 PM
Quote:
the guy with the blk t shirt is jts carburators,john ten speed..im not pounding a chest,i could drive 10 miles and have jeremy build my motor,im just giving props to a kid,that shows some real real real big dogs a lesson,i know the motor is capable of running a HALF second faster then bartons hemi's all i can say is WOW a sb
half a second faster? really? probably over 300 pounds lighter..
But that small block is gettin it done! I can't wait to see when Bob gets his goin.
Casey
Posted By: fishy340
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 09:57 PM
Quote:i know i was just playin,i like 99.9 pct of the mopar boys...lol
Bob was with the Kemp at Milan Friday and saw the pass and then saw the racepak screen after the run. Im no hater, Im impressed as hell buy the run,
Posted By: RumbleVid
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/10/11 11:54 PM
Here's link to a video of last Friday's Milan All Motor if anyone would like to check it out.
http://blip.tv/file/5128942
http://blip.tv/file/5128942
Posted By: BobsProFab
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/11/11 04:30 AM
Quote:
Here's link to a video of last Friday's Milan All Motor if anyone would like to check it out.
http://blip.tv/file/5128942
thanks for the vids
you do a awesome jobno matter how you look at it
John from JTS
Jermey from Extreme engines
Tom from Slawko racing heads
and Paul Swarts
made one hell of a team to put together one of the meanest small blocks out there and BK has the car and know how to put the runs down
my hat is off to all of them.we will see how the P7 does once i get mine done
Posted By: Dave W
Re: 1100 HP out of a N/A small block - 05/11/11 01:53 PM
Any guess on what Kemp's combo would make with 2 dominators?
Bob, when do you expect to have the P7 up and running. Can't wait to see the results!
Bob, when do you expect to have the P7 up and running. Can't wait to see the results!