Quote:The 1964 427 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolts where way faster than the 1963 425 HP Max Wedge cars, they where also faster than the 1964 425 HP M.W. cars
What motor/combo was faster and produced the most HP, The 427 Thunderbolt or a 63 Max Wedge Dodge or Plymouth?
Here's a look at the Thunderbolt specs:
http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1964-ford-thunderbolt.htm
The 1964 M.W motors had better flowing heads, bigger carbs, bigger lift and duration cams and better intake than the 1963 M.W motors had 
That is why Mopar ended up designing and making the 426 race Hemi so they could keep up with the dual quad, 427 high Risor Thunderbolts, once they found out that the Ford Thundebolts would outrun the factory M.W. race cars 
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Check out the A/S final at Indy 2010 on you tube-----The 66 Ply is a Hemi---------now you tell me.....
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Check out the A/S final at Indy 2010 on you tube-----The 66 Ply is a Hemi---------now you tell me.....
Quote:Quote:The 1964 427 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolts where way faster than the 1963 425 HP Max Wedge cars, they where also faster than the 1964 425 HP M.W. cars
What motor/combo was faster and produced the most HP, The 427 Thunderbolt or a 63 Max Wedge Dodge or Plymouth?
Here's a look at the Thunderbolt specs:
http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1964-ford-thunderbolt.htm
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The 66 Plymouth in that race comes in approx 400lbs heavier than the Thunderbolt..Street Hemi with less compression and less cam. Two very nice cars and a great Race!
If I was going to run a hemi in NHRA Stock it would not be one of those cars, it would be a 1964 410HP race Hemi in a Plymouth Savoy 
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Just check and see how much faster the Max Wedges were at the 64 Winternats. Heck the Max Wedge was the fastest SS cars there and the Hemi had not even hit the track yet. Butch Leal won the stick class in his Thunderbolt at 12.10 and the auto Max Wedge cars ran like 11.70's and won the auto class of course. I think it was Indy in 64 that the old Ramcharger 63 car ran 11.30's and outran everything there. Closes Thuderbolt was around 11.70 I believe. Ron
100% with ya!!
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That car has been around a long time, I remember seeing him race at Pomona years ago in B/S. I'll bet that he has changed it from a 1966 Street Hemi(small carbs0 to a 1967 RO race hemi(w/big carbs) car to run in A/S or AA/S
Lighter weight, I
. Nothing wrong at all with the "ELEPHANT" motor, I just prefer them in 67'-68' B-bodies. 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsis4EQeDCE
That was a good race...that start gave me goosebumps
If the Plymouth had not hung such a long, high wheelie, it would have WON!
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The 66 Plymouth in that race comes in approx 400lbs heavier than the Thunderbolt..Street Hemi with less compression and less cam. Two very nice cars and a great Race!
Not that it would have made much difference but isn't it interesting that an A Stock 1966 Hemi Belvedere is allowed to run the 67 RO style hood scoop when no factory 66 Hemi Plymouth came with (any type) of hood scoop.
They change out the tail lights and the grill to 67' peices. So they claim them as 67' cars instead of 66's.
Quote:Ron, I think your wrong on the Hemi cars at Pomona in 1964, I'm sure they where there, maybe not allowed in SS/AA or SS/A due to not being in production at the beginning of the model year in Sept 1963
Just check and see how much faster the Max Wedges were at the 64 Winternats. Heck the Max Wedge was the fastest SS cars there and the Hemi had not even hit the track yet. Butch Leal won the stick class in his Thunderbolt at 12.10 and the auto Max Wedge cars ran like 11.70's and won the auto class of course. I think it was Indy in 64 that the old Ramcharger 63 car ran 11.30's and outran everything there. Closes Thuderbolt was around 11.70 I believe. Ron
They may have been the the first production AFX cars Maybe I'm wrong
And the only way you can run a '64 in Stock with a Hemi is the single carb, steel nose @ 400 hp. 
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but there was this one Poncho that was very impressive! Don't think it was Arnie Beswick but another gent from southern Ohio.
Quote:Quote:Ron, I think your wrong on the Hemi cars at Pomona in 1964, I'm sure they where there, maybe not allowed in SS/AA or SS/A due to not being in production at the beginning of the model year in Sept 1963
Just check and see how much faster the Max Wedges were at the 64 Winternats. Heck the Max Wedge was the fastest SS cars there and the Hemi had not even hit the track yet. Butch Leal won the stick class in his Thunderbolt at 12.10 and the auto Max Wedge cars ran like 11.70's and won the auto class of course. I think it was Indy in 64 that the old Ramcharger 63 car ran 11.30's and outran everything there. Closes Thuderbolt was around 11.70 I believe. Ron
I was 19 then and the information disemination was nowhere like it is today I did attend several(5 or 6) drag races at Fontana drag city that summer, lots of Max wedge Dodges and Plymouths of all three years, even saw the Flying Dutchmen, Brutus and one of Mickey Thompson early funny cars there Hayden Profitt was big on the west coast back then, he had multiple cars, all M.W. Plymouths 4 speeds if I'm remembering correctly 
Time marches on 
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From everything I've seen on the T-bolts, the mods required to get the big motor in that engine compartment were extensive!
10 lbs. of Sh** in a 5 lbs. bag whereas the maxie had plenty of room even with the huge exhaust manifolds they had!
Lots more B-body NSS Maxie repli-cars running around than there are Ford T-bolts. Mainly because of the simplicity and interchangeability of BB's that Mopar designed in. Ford always over-complicated things IMO.
Multiple motors with the same displacement (or close) yet nothing interchanges.
Yeah, I got off track but I don't care which was faster.
Give me a simple, proven combo that's not a complicated nightmare and I'll run that combo all day! ..and win with it!
BUT 
The FORD Y block, FE and Lima Series motors were a slightly confusing mix of part swapping from the factory. They (FORD) often played around with piston deck heights, rod lengths, bore sizes etc. to form it's vast amount
Quote:Quote:Quote:Ron, I think your wrong on the Hemi cars at Pomona in 1964, I'm sure they where there, maybe not allowed in SS/AA or SS/A due to not being in production at the beginning of the model year in Sept 1963
Just check and see how much faster the Max Wedges were at the 64 Winternats. Heck the Max Wedge was the fastest SS cars there and the Hemi had not even hit the track yet. Butch Leal won the stick class in his Thunderbolt at 12.10 and the auto Max Wedge cars ran like 11.70's and won the auto class of course. I think it was Indy in 64 that the old Ramcharger 63 car ran 11.30's and outran everything there. Closes Thuderbolt was around 11.70 I believe. Ron
I have read that they were not happy with the Hemi at first and decided to get it running better before it made its track apearence. Thats why I have heard it was only Max Wedge cars at the 64 Winter Nats. I believe it talks about it in the new Ramcharger book also that they changed cams in the Hemi to get it running better. They said at first they were no faster then the Max Wedge cars. Ron
ing the competition!! Everyone else was chasing their tire smoke!!
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Ron, what I remember(limited) was the Hemi cars spun the snot out of the tires, worse than the M.W. cars did back then
Tire spin makes much sense. Course we dont think about tire spin that much now a days with the tires out now. Ron
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsis4EQeDCE
That was a good race...that start gave me goosebumps
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Ron, what I remember(limited) was the Hemi cars spun the snot out of the tires, worse than the M.W. cars did back then
That may be very true as it says in the new Ramcharger book that the Max Wedge was aproacing 500 hp and the first Hemi's hit 550 with ease but were no faster on the track.
. The new found power of the HEMI engine
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Ron, what I remember(limited) was the Hemi cars spun the snot out of the tires, worse than the M.W. cars did back then
