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Well, I tried to put my motor in today

Posted By: WILD BILL

Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 01:41 AM

However, ran into a slight snag with the new oil pump and lines hitting the K frame.

I cut as much off as I dared trying to gain clearance for the side inlet

But while it goes in there is no room for the fitting or for the line to reach the the pan.

It looks like I might be able to access the rear port if I was to get rid of the stock mounts and do a little cutting.

The rear port seems to line up where the red circle is

My thoughts were if I cut the mount pads off the k frame where the red lines are

And then weld in a piece of steel to reinforce the gear box mount where I have these arrows

If I do all that it looks like I'll gain the room I need to run this system but then I'll be forced to run a motor plate.

Does anyone see a problem with this or maybe see another possible solution that I haven't thought of yet?

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 01:47 AM

my pump is like that.i had to run the oil line to the front after i ground the part of the bracket in front all the way to the k frame.

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Posted By: sam64

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 01:49 AM

the steering box needs a pretty good brace,i don't know if you are going to get enough bracing in there with the oil line.i would be looking into a street L pipe fitting,then loop line around.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 01:50 AM

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my pump is like that.i had to run the oil line to the front after i ground the part of the bracket in front all the way to the k frame.

Please tell me you have some pics of that Mike?

Posted By: Ari440

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 01:53 AM

I had to do the same to fit the milidon oilpump with duel oil lines

now its a single oil line

now that the moter is out reinforce the steering bracket and box it up

my manual streering box was moving the bracet over when the car was on the ground

theres a lot of strease (sp) there

Posted By: 69CHARGERMD

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:05 AM

? might be a good time to call Bondo Bob....maybe one of his K frames ??

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:10 AM

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? might be a good time to call Bondo Bob....maybe one of his K frames ??

You buyin

Posted By: Eric

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:13 AM

Bill...why not just make a motor plate?...

Posted By: 602heavy

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:18 AM

Had the same issue on a 68 charger , ended up fitting a sandwhich plate between block & oil pump , no drain back issues to worry about.

, spun this motor to 7500 (megablock).

Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:20 AM

We used the side port on mine and had to trim the k-frame a bit but it clears fine. Routed the lines over top the mount and steering box.

You will need a 90* elbow off the back of the pump to make this work.

Ron

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Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:21 AM

i looped my oil line around the front of the k frame and down to the pan but you vould drill/cut a hole to make the line shorter.you may be able to go streight down with the line thru the k also but with both you must get the line tight on the pump before installing the engine as you will not get the pump out or tighten the line with any ease.i deal with it only taking the engine out every few yrs.i hope it will be that long for you.

here is how my line is at pan level.

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Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:22 AM

Another view with the factory mount & brackets bolted on the motor.

Ron

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Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:27 AM

Earlier K frames must have more room there

I thought about a 90* fitting but can't see it fitting in there.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:30 AM

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Another view with the factory mount & brackets bolted on the motor.

Ron

Do you have a pic of it in the car?

DO they make a 90* O ring fitting or did you piece something together?

Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:36 AM

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Earlier K frames must have more room there

I thought about a 90* fitting but can't see it fitting in there.

Bill, I have the same k-frame as you.

It will fit but you have to grind some scallops out of that bracing. I'm even running power steering on mine....it's tight but it does fit.

Ron

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:39 AM

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Earlier K frames must have more room there

I thought about a 90* fitting but can't see it fitting in there.

Bill, I have the same k-frame as you.

It will fit but you have to grind some scallops out of that bracing. I'm even running power steering on mine....it's tight but it does fit.

Ron

What fitting did you use in the pump cover?

Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:41 AM

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Another view with the factory mount & brackets bolted on the motor.

Ron

Do you have a pic of it in the car?

DO they make a 90* O ring fitting or did you piece something together?

Dwayne put the oiling system together so i'm not sure exactly what he used on the back of the pump ?

I don't have any pics of it in the car unfortunately. It took several trial fits to get it just right. I'm using factory rubber biscuit mounts that have been re-inforced so i don't know if that makes a difference or not.

Ron

Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:43 AM

Bill, it's time for one of Andy's 3/8" motor plates

A plate makes life much easier and less stress on the block IMO

I run the dual line system if you need some pics I'll take some even though it's an A Body and cold out

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:50 AM

Would this be the right one?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-949012ERL/

Is the dimensions they list for "fitting size 2" the same as a -12?

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 02:51 AM

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Bill, it's time for one of Andy's 3/8" motor plates

I would need another pair of pump gaskets then

Posted By: Ari440

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:01 AM

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Bill, it's time for one of Andy's 3/8" motor plates

I would need another pair of pump gaskets then

no gaskets if you use a motor plate

ultra grey silicon only

vibration will kill the gaskets and will leak

Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:09 AM

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Would this be the right one?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-949012ERL/

Is the dimensions they list for "fitting size 2" the same as a -12?

12an is the correct size for the braided line. Not sure what size the other fitting needs to be. Maybe call Milodon and see what they say ?

Dwayne would know for sure

Ron

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:32 AM

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Bill...why not just make a motor plate?...

that thing needs a motor plate anyway I think.

Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:37 AM

I've posted these before, Bill but here's how I got around this problem. The steel line is two 90 degree Aeroquip parts that I cut and rewelded into the "U" bend.

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Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:38 AM

Posted By: PC-CHARGER

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:39 AM

Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:42 AM

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Bill, it's time for one of Andy's 3/8" motor plates

I would need another pair of pump gaskets then

AND?

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no gaskets if you use a motor plate

ultra grey silicon only

vibration will kill Inferior gaskets and will leak

Fixed it for ya Ari

Motor Plate, Motor Plate, Motor Plate,

Posted By: Ari440

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:48 AM

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Bill, it's time for one of Andy's 3/8" motor plates

I would need another pair of pump gaskets then

AND?

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no gaskets if you use a motor plate

ultra grey silicon only

vibration will kill Inferior gaskets and will leak

Fixed it for ya Ari

Motor Plate, Motor Plate, Motor Plate,

THANKS

Posted By: rowin4

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:51 AM

I had the same problem and found this fitting on e-bay. Earls #849012 90deg. 12AN o-ring to 12AN swivel -seal to hose end $24.95 { at buy it now price } E-BAY # 150274214939 The 12 AN o-ring end screws into the pump , the other end , the hose is put on the fitting so it eliminates the extra fitting. Both ends swivel.

Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:54 AM

bill for what it worth
i really like the 90 to 90 degree option
just not a 'plate ' fan at all
i have seen the alumim 'charge' forward under de ecelleration top end start seeing tranny pony tails break j m o

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 04:08 AM

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I had the same problem and found this fitting on e-bay. Earls #849012 90deg. 12AN o-ring to 12AN swivel -seal to hose end $24.95 { at buy it now price } E-BAY # 150274214939 The 12 AN o-ring end screws into the pump , the other end , the hose is put on the fitting so it eliminates the extra fitting. Both ends swivel.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-849012ERL/?rtype=1

Posted By: rowin4

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 04:42 AM

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I had the same problem and found this fitting on e-bay. Earls #849012 90deg. 12AN o-ring to 12AN swivel -seal to hose end $24.95 { at buy it now price } E-BAY # 150274214939 The 12 AN o-ring end screws into the pump , the other end , the hose is put on the fitting so it eliminates the extra fitting. Both ends swivel.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-849012ERL/?rtype=1

Do you think some one at Summit is dyslexic ? got the Earl's e-bay price of $24.95 and put down $42.95

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:01 AM

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Do you think some one at Summit is dyslexic ? got the Earl's e-bay price of $24.95 and put down $42.95

The E bag listing has the same 42.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Earls-Per...sQ5fAccessories

That's why I posted it so you could verify if it was the same one you used or I looked it up wrong

Posted By: jb500

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:10 AM

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Would this be the right one?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-949012ERL/

Is the dimensions they list for "fitting size 2" the same as a -12?

Yes, that is just the OD for -12 male threads. Both share the same 3/4-16 thread. SAE O-ring boss and JIC (AN) have the same thread pitch.

You can go the industrial fitting route and spend less than $5.00
6801-12-12-FG or 12-C5OX

Posted By: rowin4

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:22 AM

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Do you think some one at Summit is dyslexic ? got the Earl's e-bay price of $24.95 and put down $42.95

The E bag listing has the same 42.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Earls-Per...sQ5fAccessories

That's why I posted it so you could verify if it was the same one you used or I looked it up wrong [/quote

I just punched in the # 150274214939 It's $24.95 plus $4.90 expedited shipping. I thought for a minute I was seeing things different.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:25 AM

Now I get it,

Ad # 150274214939 is from a different seller. Not Summit Racing Equip.

Posted By: B1KILLER

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:35 AM

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Now I get it,

Ad # 150274214939 is from a different seller. Not Summit Racing Equip.

Its about time

Posted By: rowin4

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:36 AM

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Now I get it,

Ad # 150274214939 is from a different seller. Not Summit Racing Equip.

Yup! Same part, same manufacture,

Posted By: Dartthunder340

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:37 AM

I wonder if you could just cut a hole where your red circle was in the picture, then put whatever diameter pipe to run the oil line through the area and weld around it all, I don't know if that would be more of a hassle or if I even explained it enough to understand. Just trying to offer a suggestion.

Posted By: Ari440

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:43 AM

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:44 AM

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I wonder if you could just cut a hole where your red circle was in the picture, then put whatever diameter pipe to run the oil line through the area and weld around it all, I don't know if that would be more of a hassle or if I even explained it enough to understand. Just trying to offer a suggestion.

If you'll study the pic above the one with the circle where I have the motor sitting on the mounts I think you'll see that my "circle" isn't quite to scale and that most of the fitting/line routing would be where the motor mount now resides.

Posted By: Dartthunder340

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:51 AM

Bummer Wild Bill. I've got great plans for a horse...

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 05:54 AM

At this point hosre racing is looking mighty tempting

Posted By: mikeysmopars

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:31 AM

I put one of Any F's motor plates in my ride and it cured all my clearance issues. I then took a torch to all the extra mount supports and had all the room in the world for the external oil pump & lines.
Also helps strengthen the frame and with the And f plate you dont have to worry about the engine shift foreward or back its 3/8'' thick and solid.
Also inspires you to lighten your kframe.
I'm sure road hazzard can help with the extra w/p gaskets

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Posted By: megajoltman

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:42 AM

I went the motor plate route with mine because of that little problem....

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 10:01 AM

this may sound stupid but one of the reasons I went with the world block is cause the front oiling option in the block to eliminate this issues! I have no motor plate either! here is how my mount is if it helps you in any way!(a body) someday I may switch to a motorplate, who knows!

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 03:59 PM

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you dont have to worry about the engine shift foreward or back its 3/8'' thick and solid.

I thought you had to run a limiter with any type of motor palte

Posted By: mikeysmopars

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 04:41 PM

I'm sorry wild bill. That plate isn't 3/8'' its 3/4''

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Posted By: Kevins493

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 06:52 PM

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you dont have to worry about the engine shift foreward or back its 3/8'' thick and solid.

I thought you had to run a limiter with any type of motor palte

Limiters are easy to make though. Took maybe a day for mine and we had to take it to a friend to get it welded because I don't have a tig and we made it in CM.

Posted By: ro23car

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:00 PM

on my pump cover 1 line comes out the front. the other comes out the back. if you want pics lemme know.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:08 PM

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on my pump cover 1 line comes out the front. the other comes out the back. if you want pics lemme know.

Is it in a stock K frame using factory mounts and steering?

Posted By: 70blackfish

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:09 PM

I thought dual lines take a long time to build oil pressure.

to me thats not good.

Posted By: rowin4

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:15 PM

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I'm sorry wild bill. That plate isn't 3/8'' its 3/4''

I've got the same Andtf plate in both of my cars and they look the same as yours, there 3/8" thick.

Posted By: 9secondsatellite

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:19 PM

do you have a 60 degree fitting you can try in that area? i had the same problem and with a very small bit of clearencing was able to make a 60 degree swivel fit with no problem. my line fit through the opening between the k-member and the gear box mount.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:26 PM

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you dont have to worry about the engine shift foreward or back its 3/8'' thick and solid.

I thought you had to run a limiter with any type of motor palte

You should... a vertical plate doesnt do much for
holding a fore and aft load(it still bows and if it
moves enought you push the drive shaft into the trans...
and you dont need that

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:52 PM

mine

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:55 PM

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:56 PM

where

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:57 PM

next one

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 07:58 PM

definately easier to put the pump on last.

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Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 08:12 PM

Raff, that's what I thought.

No, I don't have any extra fittings to try out.

At this point I'm leaning towards one of the types that I linked previously.

Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 09:06 PM

Don't know if these will help

Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 09:07 PM

nutter

Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 09:08 PM

Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 09:10 PM

Last one of my dirty junk

Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 09:16 PM

I run an old school internal 1/2 NPT oil pickup. Those fancy, expensive, external systems seem nice, but don't exactly bolt into many applications.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 10:39 PM

Bill with all your hardships over that last several months every little thing like this has to stress ya out! Hope you lay down a low number when ya get back out and crack a nice cold one to celebrate!

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 10:54 PM

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Bill with all your hardships over that last several months every little thing like this has to stress ya out! Hope you lay down a low number when ya get back out and crack a nice cold one to celebrate!

Thanks

I will admit is is starting to wear on me. I'm not really sure what my breaking point is but I'm not quite there yet.

I hope

Posted By: tboomer

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/29/10 11:14 PM

Bill...Bad1970dust put a motor plate in my 64..He still had to notch the K frame..

Posted By: Dartin

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 12:22 AM

Bill, I think I would go with a plate. Wasn't sure if I wanted to do one on my car or not. Now I don't think I would want it any other way. You can cut off the stock mounts for clearance and are not so limited how you have to run the lines. It is also much easier to install the motor by yourself. Just my opinion, but I really don't see a reason not to. Either way, good luck this year. Hope you can finally get to have some fun!

Randy

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 04:26 AM

Well, it looks like my decision on what to do just got a lot easier.

I gotta call this evening from Gorski telling me he had a motor plate I could use if I needed it.

I owe you big time Rick

And fair warning.............

Expect more dumb questions that have probably been asked 1000 times once I get the plate and start working on getting it in

Posted By: 69CHARGERMD

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 12:39 PM

congrats Bill,,glad you got it figured out,,,,

I'll cancel the new K frame i just ordered for ya...

Rick is the man

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 02:53 PM

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I'll cancel the new K frame i just ordered for ya...

Posted By: joshking440

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 03:52 PM

Bill, dont fret little buddy.... I have the milodon dual line kit in my car with 100% stock front suspension.

I do run a motor plate, but I use the stock passenger side motor mount as a limiter...

Posted By: sg66mopar

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 05:00 PM

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Bill, dont fret little buddy.... I have the milodon dual line kit in my car with 100% stock front suspension.

I do run a motor plate, but I use the stock passenger side motor mount as a limiter...

That oughta work just fine. I ran 1 limiter on my car with 1/4" plates front and rear until I put in the 572. Then I added one on the other side just to be sure the motor/trans weren't twisting.

I had the 1 limiter deal on the car for around 15 years with no drivetrain problems. Well, come to think of it, I did crack 1 Powerglide bellhousing after maybe 1500 passes. With the new motor and 2 limiters I broke 3 bellhousings this year.

If you do what Josh recommends I bet you'll be in hog heaven.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 05:17 PM

Here I thought one of the big advantages of the plate was getting rid of the stock motor mounts and gaining more room.

Posted By: sg66mopar

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 06:40 PM

Dude, this is racing. If it was easy, well you probably know the rest!

If you really want more room just stub off everything at the firewall and weld in some pipe.

Seriously though, Josh's just tryin' to make your life easier. At least you'll have room for the pump and lines.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 06:43 PM

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Bill, dont fret little buddy.... I have the milodon dual line kit in my car with 100% stock front suspension.

I do run a motor plate, but I use the stock passenger side motor mount as a limiter...

sweet idea man!

Posted By: ro23car

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 06:50 PM

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on my pump cover 1 line comes out the front. the other comes out the back. if you want pics lemme know.

Is it in a stock K frame using factory mounts and steering?

no eng mounts i have a front plate.

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 07:58 PM

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on my pump cover 1 line comes out the front. the other comes out the back. if you want pics lemme know.

Is it in a stock K frame using factory mounts and steering?

no eng mounts i have a front plate.

Same here - Andy's engine plate and no mounts and no limiters

Russ

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 09:49 PM

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and no mounts and no limiters

Russ

Really

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 09:57 PM

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and no mounts and no limiters

Russ

Really

Really

Russ

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/30/10 10:09 PM

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and no mounts and no limiters

Russ

Really

i dont use mounts/limiters either.3/8 front plate.

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today - 12/31/10 01:16 AM

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