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Indy 440-1 users come on in!

Posted By: moparniac

Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 10:07 PM

My block is finally back from the machine shop so its time to "cam up"

So all the dash one users on here if ya dont mind please post up your cam specs/compressions/power/et etc...

gonna be ordering a came here in the next couple weeks so need idears!

Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 10:11 PM

Talk to Dwayne, that's the only idea you need.
Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 10:14 PM

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Talk to Dwayne, that's the only idea you need.



X 2 Mine is .750/.730ish lift, 280-290ish @.050 on a 114 LC. I can get you exact specs when I get home. My motor is 557" and made right around 830-850 hp depending on the water temp.
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 10:15 PM

Im real curious about combos etc.... I got some changes going on
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 10:16 PM

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Talk to Dwayne, that's the only idea you need.



X 2 Mine is .750/.730ish lift, 280-290ish @.050 on a 114 LC. I can get you exact specs when I get home. My motor is 557" and made right around 830-850 hp depending on the water temp.




thx I appreciate it!
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 10:17 PM

my old cam was a bullet 269/269 .430/.430 on a 110

Ive read from several people on here that the dash ones love a split duration!
Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 10:42 PM

No Voodoo in cam design. No mystery to unlock, no hidden power to be had. Dont expect much, it just wont happen.
Unless the old cam is way off in duration or what the engine wants...it just wont happen. No magic duration to unlock hidden power.
I also suggest in getting the cam from Porter However, he will make sure the cam is correct in application....A fail-safe if you will.
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 10:45 PM

old cam is trashed and need a new one regardless. thx
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 11:01 PM

If i tell you what I use and I still beat you(RE I will race anybody) you wouldn't have any excuses for the whuppin on the street or at the track It's awfully hard to make a decent recommendation on the information provided so far about your combination, motor, trans, converter, rear gears and tire size, chassis, weight and so on
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 11:09 PM

never asked for recomendations cab....

Im curious of the dash one combos and setups here!
Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 11:13 PM

My 498 combo:

-1 home ported
Indy intake with stock 1050
12:1 compression
Scott Brown solid roller 259/265, .640/650, 112 lsa

I made about 720 hp based on ET and weight.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/15/10 11:29 PM

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never asked for recomendations cab....

Im curious of the dash one combos and setups here!


I got one of them, recently dyno tested also
Posted By: thehemikid

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 12:42 AM

...A Sweet Pump Gas street motor
...10.28 cr
...499 cid
...-1's ported to ~350cfm
...Indy intake with 4150/Dom adapter (ported,polished, blended)
...1050 Dom
....575 262* @ .050 solid roller (Comp, Maximum street effort) discontinued I think. Good street cam.
...Pro-Gram cap'd iron block.
...694-724 hp (calculated with race gas)
...5.99 et. (1.33 60 ft. with 4 tire unloads in 1st gear & a light car)
...6 yrs on the street.

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Posted By: Mike Swann

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 12:52 AM

268-272 max on then intake duration. That 269/269/110 that you mentioned is probably pretty close.
Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 12:59 AM

496" 8.2:1 CR
440-1 heads, w/ Indy valve-job
260/268-112, .630/.630 solidroller
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 01:02 AM

My dash ones are the cnc 345s 2.25/1.81
Posted By: Dabee

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 01:42 AM

Here is mine.

CNC ported heads
jesel rockers and belt drive
1.7 rockers
12.5 comp
496 ci
bill miller pistons
eagle crank, Alum rods

Engine is in a 225 RED

Dyno
817 hp @ 7200 RPM
660 TQ @ 5500

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Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 01:49 AM

You really should post your combo, because the cam is very dependant on the rest of the parts, CID, CR, stall speed, gear, tire dia, weight, etc. etc.

I am running a flat tappet (solid) at 13.5 CR in a 511 CID:

305º/320º@.020", 279º/287º@.050", 197º/200º@.200", 143º/143º@.300", 112º/107º@.350", 0.433"/0.420" lobe lift, 110 LSA
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 01:56 AM

275@50 ,, 585/w 1.5s I've got 1.6s on the intakes.... And my lifters don't roll, they turn.





Its a 383 though. 620 or so?
Posted By: Barnstorm

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 04:19 AM

2.25 intakes..1999yr good Knowlton port 385/295 flow..2in hookers..1150 dom on indy manifold..cam 294-288ex...741/693lift..500in 4.38x4.15..820hp..712tq

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Posted By: cudabin

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 04:56 AM

Hey Sledgie,

Before my new Indy motor threw 2 rods out the block destroying the complete shortblock, it ran 8.97 at 149.9mph in a 2,850# Cuda.

It made 895HP on the dyno at 6,900 rpm.

Combo:

Indy max low deck Aluminum block. 540ci w/ 4.5 bore and 4.25" stroke. K-1 Crank, R&R 6.635" billet Alum rods w/ 2.20 rod journals.
Custom Ross domed 15:1 compression pistons w/ 1.205" comp height. Charlies Alum oil pan w/ milodon dual line swinging pick up and Melling HV pump.

Top end:

2100cfm Ron's Terminator Alcohol Injection on a low deck Indy manifold, 440-1 Alum heads 345cc intake volume CNC ported by MCH, 382 cfm @ .800"
Custom comp roller 286/294 dur @ .050", .782"/.765" lift, 111 lsa installed at 107 icl.

Headers: TTi 2" - 2 1/8" in chassis step headers, w/ Star Vacuum pump
Posted By: ProSport

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 05:10 AM

Great thread Sledgie!

Most of these combo's have fairly small cams and I've been told by several racers that 440-1 heads seem to really like a smaller cam unless you are running alot of compression and RPM's.

My car is 3200#'s with me in it, compression is somewhere between 11to1 and 12to1 , shift at 6600, trap at 6900, 4.30 gears with 29.5x10.5 tire.

My cam is a Cammotion roller 706/661 lift with my 1.5 rockers, 281/283 at .050, on a 104.

Last summer I had it installed at 106, everyone said that was wrong, that cam needs to be advanced. I put it in at 102 this summer and the car slowed down.
It has alot of overlap I'm told, and my cranking compression is only 150.

The car goes easy 9.90's in bad air and .80's in good air but I think a smaller custom cam will actually make my car quicker.


On the other hand, RonP's 440-1 motor runs real strong with a big cam. But his compression is up there some.
Posted By: jyrki

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 07:30 AM

My old cam was a 283 @ .050", .683" lift single pattern. Naturally aspirated pump gas 4.5" x 4.15" 528, 11:1, aluminum block, home ported heads with 2.25" intake valves, Indy single plane with a dominator, 2" primary headers and 3" dual exhaust with mufflers. 781 hp at 6600 rpm, 704 ft-lb at 5000. Run 9.69/142.5 in a 3370 lbs in a street car with SS springs and DOT tires.
Posted By: rebel

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 08:10 AM

home ported heads, checked & flow 360@600, 12:1 cr, 512 B block, ICH R1 roller 272/276@050 660 lift, 1050 dominator, 2950 with driver, 5600 stall, 4.88 gears, 32x14 slicks 9.55 on a bad day.

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Posted By: 572B1

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 09:17 AM

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My old cam was a 283 @ .050", .683" lift single pattern. Naturally aspirated pump gas 4.5" x 4.15" 528, 11:1, aluminum block, home ported heads with 2.25" intake valves, Indy single plane with a dominator, 2" primary headers and 3" dual exhaust with mufflers. 781 hp at 6600 rpm, 704 ft-lb at 5000. Run 9.69/142.5 in a 3370 lbs in a street car with SS springs and DOT tires.




Jyrki you have a pm. Rob.
Posted By: 572B1

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 09:19 AM

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home ported heads, checked & flow [Email]360@600[/Email], 12:1 cr, 512 B block, ICH R1 roller 272/276@050 660 lift, 1050 dominator, 2950 with driver, 5600 stall, 4.88 gears, 32x14 slicks 9.55 on a bad day.




Nice shot of the val. wild man.
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 10:42 AM

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My old cam was a 283 @ .050", .683" lift single pattern. Naturally aspirated pump gas 4.5" x 4.15" 528, 11:1, aluminum block, home ported heads with 2.25" intake valves, Indy single plane with a dominator, 2" primary headers and 3" dual exhaust with mufflers. 781 hp at 6600 rpm, 704 ft-lb at 5000. Run 9.69/142.5 in a 3370 lbs in a street car with SS springs and DOT tires.




looks like a nice combo!

seems most on here like the 280@50 and about .720ish lift range (as an average so far)
Posted By: jyrki

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 11:48 AM

I did quite a lot of street driving, so I didn't want extreme lift and used endurance valve springs with pretty high assembled height; worked well.
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 06:16 PM

3000 lb race weight, 6400 stall. TF trans. 4.56 gears 33 tall radial slicks.
Fully ported 440-1 heads,2.25 /1.81 valves. 15/1 compression. 4.5 bore 4.15 stroke Mega block 528 inch shortblock. 30 x 2 1/8 x 4 headers. First cam Isky RR 735, listed at 280/288/110 .765 intake lift with my 1.55 rockers, .685 exhaust lift. In at 110. dynoed 847 hp BUT I had to use 2 inch long tube dyno headers for the dyno session. Had a POOR PAN ON IT, and could only pull 1 inch vacuum in the motor on the dyno. After getting a good pan on it, my race headers and 7 inchs of vacuum, car went 8.77 at 153.16 mph with a poor 60 ft of 1.289.
I believe this motor likes a relatively short duration intake lobe (280 or less at .050) with lots of lift,.800 +. The heads still flow well up there.
I had a second cam specially ground for my combo, 283/296/112 with .775 lift intake 660 exhaust. Didn't seem to pick it up much if any. Cammotion spec'ed a cam with 281/284/110 in at 108 with .801 intake lift and 728 exhaust lift. I never bought that cam but kept the letter for information.
Posted By: racerx

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 09:47 PM

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My 498 combo:

-1 home ported
Indy intake with stock 1050
12:1 compression
Scott Brown solid roller 259/265, .640/650, 112 lsa

I made about 720 hp based on ET and weight.


Just curious what weight,et.,car ?
Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 09:53 PM

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My 498 combo:

-1 home ported
Indy intake with stock 1050
12:1 compression
Scott Brown solid roller 259/265, .640/650, 112 lsa

I made about 720 hp based on ET and weight.


Just curious what weight,et.,car ?




On motor only, in a 72 Challenger with 4000 converter, foot brake, 4.30 gear with 30" slick, through the mufflers weighing a tad under 3500 lbs, I went 9.87 @ 137. I didn't run it much on motor passes (like Monte ) because I set it up for nitrous, so Im sure if left a lot of ET on the table not doing tuning. I shifted at 6800 and crossed at 6900.

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Posted By: racerx

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 10:12 PM

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My 498 combo:

-1 home ported
Indy intake with stock 1050
12:1 compression
Scott Brown solid roller 259/265, .640/650, 112 lsa

I made about 720 hp based on ET and weight.


Just curious what weight,et.,car ?




On motor only, in a 72 Challenger with 4000 converter, foot brake, 4.30 gear with 30" slick, through the mufflers weighing a tad under 3500 lbs, I went 9.87 @ 137. I didn't run it much on motor passes (like Monte ) because I set it up for nitrous, so Im sure if left a lot of ET on the table not doing tuning. I shifted at 6800 and crossed at 6900.


Pretty much the same setup but at 3350 with a 4800 conv.on 10.5w's with a best of 9.67@137
Posted By: BradH

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/16/10 11:43 PM

All I can add is the pump-gas 499 440-1 engine that Herb McCandless & Co. built for the '95 Hot Rod Pump-Gas Big-Block Challenge ran a Cam Motion roller that spec'd 276/281 @ .050" w/ 110 LSA installed on 106 ICL. Lift was well over .700" w/ 1.7 Jesel rockers. McCandless didn't even care about quench then and ran flat-top pistons "way down" in the hole (something like .075" or .100", IIRC) w/ only 9.5 CR.

One of the tricks about that engine was that it had a lot of epoxy in the heads and manifold which were used to reduce the intake runner sizes and keep up the velocity. Too bad they didn't give either flow #s or runner cc sizes for those heads.
Posted By: Mopar_racer_99

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/17/10 01:17 AM

Our combo 578
bore 4.5430
callies crank 4.500 mopar mains, chevy rods
Oliver rods 7.25 .990 pin
Diamond pistons gas ported 14-1 comp
Crane cam 286 in, 306 ex at .050, .800 lift
Heads fully ported -1, jesel 1.6 rockers, psi dual springs, 2.300 intake, 1.78 exhaust with pushrod oiling
Milodon dual swing pickup w/ dragster pan
star vacuum pump 12in vacuum
2 1/8 headers
Motor made 914 hp at 6900, 800+tq at 5400rpm on vp c-12 with 1050 dom , now running alcohol on rupert 1250
9 in convertor ,1.80 glide w/brake
4.30 dana 60
car weighs 2947 w/ 50/50 distrubtion
has run 8.72 at 154.6 with no real chassis tuning. John
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/17/10 04:18 AM

^^ why 2.30/1.78? 1.81 no good for ya? ^^^
Posted By: TS3303

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/17/10 06:54 AM

I wasn’t going to post but I had a little bit of luck making power with -1’s. My -1 engine went 169+ mph at 2470 lbs NA (never dyno’d so do the math), BUT my cam specs wouldn’t help 98% of the -1 users as it was way under headed. I spec’d it to maximize MY combination, it did have more duration than has been posted and the lift wasn’t as extreme as some have posted.

The cam is the single most important part of your engine and should be designed to give the maximum amount of air/fuel that YOUR engine/car needs and at the proper time. What everyone else is using is useless. Port volume, flow, cu in, intake, exhaust, compression ratio to make max dyno HP or torque. Then throw in car variables for best ET, weight, trans, converter, rearend, etc. Is the engine over or under headed? Don't be afraid to change lobe profiles with the same duration either.

Last one I had done the grinder didn’t like my spec’s and had something better. Lost .15 and 3mph, had one ground to what I thought and got back the .15 + .1 and the 3mph + 4 more. Was I lucky? Probably but you know the old saying “an engine is just an air pump” think about your combo and how to get the air through it (don’t forget it has to come out also) and go from there. LSA and ICL are VERY important to the complete combination. Just be careful of the broad internet statements, they like xxx duration, xxx lift, split, etc as they may or may not be true with your combination.
Posted By: Mopar_racer_99

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 11/18/10 12:25 AM

Valves too close together to run the bigger exhaust valve. John
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 12/07/10 01:10 PM

Thx to everyone who took the time to list there cam specs and combos ... My cam should be here this week
Posted By: BradH

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 12/07/10 03:22 PM

What was your final decision re: cam choice?
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 12/11/10 09:43 AM

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What was your final decision re: cam choice?




its a comp cam!
Posted By: mac56

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 12/11/10 02:13 PM

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Hey Sledgie,

Before my new Indy motor threw 2 rods out the block destroying the complete shortblock, it ran 8.97 at 149.9mph in a 2,850# Cuda.

It made 895HP on the dyno at 6,900 rpm.

Combo:

Indy max low deck Aluminum block. 540ci w/ 4.5 bore and 4.25" stroke. K-1 Crank, R&R 6.635" billet Alum rods w/ 2.20 rod journals.
Custom Ross domed 15:1 compression pistons w/ 1.205" comp height. Charlies Alum oil pan w/ milodon dual line swinging pick up and Melling HV pump.

Top end:

2100cfm Ron's Terminator Alcohol Injection on a low deck Indy manifold, 440-1 Alum heads 345cc intake volume CNC ported by MCH, 382 cfm @ .800"
Custom comp roller 286/294 dur @ .050", .782"/.765" lift, 111 lsa installed at 107 icl.

Headers: TTi 2" - 2 1/8" in chassis step headers, w/ Star Vacuum pump



I'll bet you cried yourself to sleep that night.
Posted By: 602heavy

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 12/12/10 03:51 PM

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Here is mine.

CNC ported heads
jesel rockers and belt drive
1.7 rockers
12.5 comp
496 ci
bill miller pistons
eagle crank, Alum rods

Engine is in a 225 RED

Dyno
817 hp @ 7200 RPM
660 TQ @ 5500




Cam card is suggesting to install on a 108 lobe centre although valve events suggest 4 degree retarded , ....last straightline performance cam i used stated installed valve events , seems those numbers are 4 degrees retarded.
Posted By: BradH

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 12/12/10 09:01 PM

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What was your final decision re: cam choice?




its a comp cam!



I meant the specs, not the brand.
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Indy 440-1 users come on in! - 12/18/10 06:16 PM

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What was your final decision re: cam choice?




its a comp cam!



I meant the specs, not the brand.





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