1966 Time Capsule opened at BGR

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I know I've never been accused of being a resto guy but wouldn't it be better if those items (like the wheel cylinders) that could be rebuilt should be.

I know it would be quicker/cheaper to just throw some after market parts on it but IMHO i think the car deserves better than that.

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Bill,don't assume anything will be dicarded,I was using things as examples as to explain "do-over".As this will be a driver, certain up dates are in order.Jim has waited for many years for his dream to come true and he is at that junction in his life he is going to make it happen.He will direct this "do- over" to please himself.We certainly will advise him.

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WOW to say the least Bob...hope you're paying him good for the privilege of overhauling such a rarity...

more pics....

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Absolutely,us "old timers"have to help each other out.Jim is fast becomming one of the regular"retirees" hanging out at BGR.We will be stocking the first aid kit with arthritis pills and Depends. We will also be in the drug business,selling all our Viagra tablets that we never use since we can't remember what they were prescibed for. Stiff knees and fingers hurt enough

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If that was mine and I owned it for all those years I would be and and I kid you not. I would be having a blast on the street with it living it up by taking out the newer cars and even blasting it down the 1/4 every now and them. But that's just me

I hope the owner has a blast with it


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Russ, you and I think alot alike!
Very cool car and story, please keep us updated!

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He's not going to ruin it with a repaint is he?

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How many 6 figure Hemi cars have been ruined by complete restorations and repaints? Jim is going to do what he wants having owned this treasure for 44 years.He knows the value and has ignored substancial offers.It's time to enjoy it while he still can.He is as excited working on the car at the shop as he was the day he bought it and will more excited when he can cruise with it.What ever Jim decides BGR will help him in his quest.He's not asking for opinions,we just wanted everyone to know that there are still gems hidden out there and when they surface it's nice to share the finds with everyone.Lets just be happy and share Jims excitment.

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Nothing against BGR at all, awesome guys, best in the business for what they do, but MAN! I am shaking my head BIG TIME! All of the small original details that get destroyed forever when you take a low mile survivor engine out of a car like that, rebuilt it and repaint it, etc. Sorry but to me it's a damn shame he took that car to a race car shop. What a waste of history!

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It's like the guy thinks it is just a car or something!!

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Nothing against BGR at all, awesome guys, best in the business for what they do, but MAN! I am shaking my head BIG TIME! All of the small original details that get destroyed forever when you take a low mile survivor engine out of a car like that, rebuilt it and repaint it, etc. Sorry but to me it's a damn shame he took that car to a race car shop. What a waste of history!

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Sorry you lost out on another sale Scott.

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Nothing against BGR at all, awesome guys, best in the business for what they do, but MAN! I am shaking my head BIG TIME! All of the small original details that get destroyed forever when you take a low mile survivor engine out of a car like that, rebuilt it and repaint it, etc. Sorry but to me it's a damn shame he took that car to a race car shop. What a waste of history!

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Scott,your statement couldn't be more invalid,we have restored more valuable cars that retain values that exceed over $500,000.Not to mention my unrestored Hemi Dart.We have talked to Jim at length and are also consulting with my brother Tony George about this car.I understand and respect your opinion,but it's just that,your opinion.I also have an opinion,that if a man hangs on to his dream for 44 years and when he reaches a age or stage in his life that he wishes to live that dream before it's too late,then he is intitled to do so.That you disagree is fine,but respecting Jim's wishes is the only opinion that matters.I have already respectfully talked him out of his original plan and we are evaluating a new stragity with Tony's imput.That you think bringing it to BGR was a mistake is correct,a mistake on your part.Obiviously you don't know much about BGR.That we shared this event with everyone on Mopars and may share the future project,one would think we would be applauded not critized Respectfully Bob

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Nothing against BGR at all, awesome guys, best in the business for what they do, but MAN! I am shaking my head BIG TIME! All of the small original details that get destroyed forever when you take a low mile survivor engine out of a car like that, rebuilt it and repaint it, etc. Sorry but to me it's a damn shame he took that car to a race car shop. What a waste of history!

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I cant believe you said all that Scott...

especialy being on this board so long...

you read like I do, about all the guys that are extremely satisfied with BGR and the different services they provide...what on earth would make you feel they couldnt do this car and their client justice...

bet you would cringe at what I did with my cars and yet there are those that would applaud the modifications..the ones you cant see..

I dont know Bob personaly but thru pictures I can see they do some very good work and knows what hes doing

I read you think he's awesome and thats where it should have stopped...Im quite sure all those little original details will be there...probably for your inspection

I have nothing against you Scott, you can be an awesome person yourself..







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Bob could we get some more pictures of the car and interior. Is it an auto or 4 speed?

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Danny,
It's an automatic.Interior is blue like the exterior and in great condition.I will try and get some more pictures up this weekend.

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Bob more pics please and keep us updated. Can you get better pics?

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Sorry.AJ took those with his phone.I will ask jim or someone to take some good ones this weekend and post them.We will update any progress,right now we are evaluating a game plan as to what's best for Jim and the car.We will cataloge and inventory all the parts removed.Jim had started to diassemble some of the car before he brought it to the shop.I was in goose bumps as I removed the tin stub tabs that held the rear brake drums on.

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I appologize if I've stepped on any toes, as I said in my opening comment, I have full respect for BGR as a race car shop, please pardon my ignorance on the subject but I had no idea they did any "restoration" type work.

Bob thank you for your supportive words!

As far as my other comments AT NO POINT did I exclaim that the car should not be driven or stashed away in a hyperbaric chamber for all eternity! I hope the owner drives and enjoys it to the max!

All I was trying to convey is that there are so few of these cars that are still untouched originals, especially the engine bays. It is a shame to lose another pristine example for whatever reason, at least before the finer details are recorded in extreme detail so they can at least be used as future restoration reference material. I am more sensitive to this subject than most because I am heavily involved and interested in restoration work and judging them. I can't tell you how many "survivor" cars I've seen with freshly painted engines and detailed undercarriages, about all that "survived" or was left original was the paint on many of them. I see it as an opportunity to gain knowledge lost and too me that's a shame.

As far as the comments about me losing business? Of course I value the business you guys give me, my customers are my most important asset. But does being a business owner remove my right to voice a personal opinion? I really hope not. In the end whether you agree with my opinions or not I stand by my posts here on Moparts, I'm not perfect and I'll occasional make a mistake, and when I do I'll be the first to take the responsibility.

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Thanks Scott,that you like me can and do make mistakes,but are respectful enough to apologize speaks volumes of your character.I was not trying to bash you only defend our reputation.You may not realize what all we do at BGR.We have restored cars and assisted in many high doller projects for many years. No toes stepped on here,just an irritated bear that got poked.

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i for one, am very curious to hear about the quality (or possible lack thereof) of the original assembly/machine work, particularly the engine. these things fascinate me. they put a human face on the machine. this is a great project- please, pictures!

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We are going to mic and weigh everything as well as check all the deminsions.This is a Maltese cross stamped block.We will photo every piece.there are some unique features that are singulary specific to this car.Jim will have a record of what we found and anything we do.This will not be a short term project.

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After all this banter and talking to Grant last night for a long time I may have to take a trip to BGR this weekend, with camera, to study this fine automoblie.

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Hogar,Grant is a BSer,there is nothing to see J/K if your bringing your "spy cam"we will charge admission.

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Gary has some incredible cars! The 66 is light green I believe. Scott, if you're on the west side of the mountains some time I can arrange a viewing.

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Update on the "1966 Time Capsule"

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Red x...
Please fix, Mr. Bear!

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Scott,
Not every Car has the same overspray and spatter. Each production Hemi has it,s unique characteristics and will remind singular to each car.This car in particular has many singular and unique features including some factory special markings,parts and factory f---ups,which really makes this projects special for us.You would be shock what was found during the removal and tear down.

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*And yes, I am very familiar with the Peddler restoration, very cool and important car for sure, but it is/was a "race car" afterall....

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Absolutely And "one of one"

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And Incredibley done

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That's an engine lifting bracket typically found on either the front or rear of the engine

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Correct,they were very seldom left on the engine.

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Just one question When these were originally assembled , wasn't the engine / transmission , K-member & front suspension installed from the BOTTOM"?" If so ...... Why the need for the "lifting bracket" ? Was it from when it was lifted onto the K-frame?

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BGR, for God's sakes, be sure not to disturb any of that irreplaceable date coded rust.

I say, backhalf it and cage it, just to piss off the purists!

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That would be too mundane,since I have already done that to hundreds of original Hemi cars over the years.I'am going to keep the expert,guru,purist wandering what evil we are contemplating.And as for the 1968 Hemi Dart and 1968 Hemi Cuda that have recently arrived for BGR who knows what fate may have instore for them Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone

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Somebody check on Scott Smith, he's going to need medical attention after reading that part!

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The 64 Million dollar question for the 1966 Hemi: What is it and Where was it found on the car?

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Is that what that thing was. I modified one of those to use on my 1970 Opel Kadet. The window crank was missing and that thing worked like a charm. Keep up the good work Bob. Did you order the new holly carbs yet.

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John,
I can get in enough trouble here on my own,you don't have to help and make it worse. Don't forget after Dec 31 I'll be in the shop most everyday,stop by.

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While it's nice to know and is good for internet fodder, the world doesn't necessarily need anymore tedious documentation of original survivors. There are countless originals that have been well documented over the years and just about all of what has needed to be determined regarding what is or isn't correct on these cars is now known.

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Mike, I'm sorry but other than the larger more basic items I completely dissagree with you on that one, I've discovered and learned about new details with almost every survivor I have seen. To say "everything" has been documented already is simply not the case at all!

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Scott,

Reread my post. "just about all" and "everything" are like oil and vinegar.

I stand by my comments.


MB

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Heres one thing everyone should remember, Jim bought this car new,he paid for it, paid the taxes on it so therefore its his to do as he pleases. He doesnt owe it to anyone to document a damn thing if he choses not to, maybe he thinks that would be to much hassle and just wants it done so he can enjoy it the way he chooses!!

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well said

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And still the mindless bull shitz go on with useless arguements with no compromize of opinion till it ruins another great shared post.It's looks like this will go the way of the 440 Source post of past.Can't we all just respect each others opinion and move on,why does certain individuals continue to try to make it a post about themselves and their agenda and it becomes "hey look at me" and piss on the project.It's Jim's parade here,why rain on it?Some may think that it's their right to "grandstand" or be a attention hoe.Sorry for the rant,but some need to get a life.Let's try to have fun and enjoy.

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bob good job hows the out side body look paint wise ? you going buff out or repaint ? i say take all the hemi orange paint and rust off the engine put it in zip lock bag sell it on ebay

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There is some fadeing,nicks and chips on the sides.We will clean it up real good then decide.We may offer the rust,paint and old undercoat for sale.Better yet we will donate it to those concerned that we will not do the car justice.

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Put that date coded rust on ebay!

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bob good job hows the out side body look paint wise ? you going buff out or repaint ? i say take all the hemi orange paint and rust off the engine put it in zip lock bag sell it on ebay

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There is some fadeing,nicks and chips on the sides.We will clean it up real good then decide.We may offer the rust,paint and old undercoat for sale.Better yet we will donate it to those concerned that we will not do the car justice.

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Sounds like the car has just right PATINA Did you straight axel??

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Scott , isn't true that no two cars were built the same because they were built by a human and depending on the time of the day , day of the week and high high they might have been ? So if this is the case then you would fill volumes with the data from each and every one built.

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To some degree, yes. But you already knew that so why ask here?

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To demostrate that there are no set standard for documentation for one vehicle to the next for many quirks,singularity ,extras or omission of parts.I know of a positive documented Hemi car with out torque boxes for one example.Each car has it's own uniquness and history,just the same as old race cars that claim high value from their race heritage.An example: a 67 Hemi post car compared to Judy Lilly's(Pappy Fry) post car.Same car different history.

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To demostrate that there are no set standard for documentation for one vehicle to the next for many quirks,singularity ,extras or omission of parts.

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EXACTLY why I am promoting that we try to learn and record as much detail as possible from all surviving examples before the details (being either unique or "typical" as compared to other examples already known) are lost in restoration efforts, pretty simple.

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But Scott you said you've never seen the blue circle around the WT or the pad not painted , how can it be proved that's the way it rolled off the assembly line and if it can be proved then what if this is the ONLY known example ?

I'm asking myself why too ...

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But Scott you said you've never seen the blue circle around the WT or the pad not painted , how can it be proved that's the way it rolled off the assembly line and if it can be proved then what if this is the ONLY known example ?

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Proven? I never said anything about proving anything? All I've maintained here is that every bit of new information gathered is important (to some) and adds another piece to the overall big picture of how these cars were assembled. There are, and will likely always remain, a wide variety of "one off" detail examples that deffy explaination unless further similar examples surface that might add to the puzzle or somehow validate the previous "one offs". The cool part for me would be to find another surviving example with the same blue circle.

Anyway, nothing else needs to be said from me. I'm sure you all get where I'm comming from whether you agree with my opinions or not, it's all good

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May it's a "Blue Oval"Ask HemiFred,"The Shadow Knows"Somethings still baffle and defy even those who claim to be experts.There is no way of explaining the unexplainable,like why did Fred pee in cars?While working the grease rack at our local Chrysler/Plymouth dealership in my youth,a doctor in our local town bought a new Imperial 4 door hard top.Everytime he crossed the rail road tracks in town it made a loud clunking sound.After frustrating the master mechanic and the factory reps for months I had the oppertunity to service this particular car.While on the rack I was afixing the service sticker to the door jam and slammed the door and heard the clunk,clunk.I revoved the trim panel between the doors and found a Coke bottle hanging on a wire,insde was a note which read"ha you finally found it"This made the car a special"one of one coke bottle car"

That worked real well

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Thanks to all that appreciate what we do and what we share.Jim is gentalmen of age much like myself and we both along with others that we trust can decide what's best for this project.Please no more expert opinions,just enjoy the info and project.If the unsolicited BS continues,we will just drop the post and move on.

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I am amazed at how rusty the outside of that engine is. I've pulled apart motors with 150K on them that looked better. wierd.

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This one only had 11,000 miles on it. It hadn't been run enough to develope enough oil leaks to preserve itself.

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This is a little off topic, but I was watching "The Defenders" last night. Jerry O'Connell drives a '66 Satellite convertible. They showed a shot of the right side, and down low on the fender was a 426 HEMI emblem. Anyone else notice this? Bob

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Q: What kind of car does Angel [David Boreanaz] drive?
A: A 1967 Plymouth Belvedere GTX Convertible. Only 2,026 of Angel's car were made. A special car for a special vampire! Here are a few more stats:

* Production: 2D Coupe: 17,914. 2D Convertible: 2,026.
* Engines: 426 Hemi V8 425bhp@5000rpm, 490lb-ft@4000rpm. 440 V8 375bhp@4600rpm, 480lb-ft@3200rpm.
* Performance: 426/425bhp: 1/4 mile in low 13s. 440/375bhp: 0-60 in 6.6 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.2 sec @ 97mph

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I hope the "fish fry" hasn't stopped the coverage of the Hemi car.

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Not a chance. We are in the process of cleaning up and documenting all the engine and tranny parts and checking everything.Jim is away for awhile and when he returns we will make some decisions as how we will proceed.

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This project is just to cool not to share.

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This is a little off topic, but I was watching "The Defenders" last night. Jerry O'Connell drives a '66 Satellite convertible. They showed a shot of the right side, and down low on the fender was a 426 HEMI emblem. Anyone else notice this? Bob

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I wonder is it the same car David Boreanaz drove in ANGEL with a few changes like the grille and trim?

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Q: What kind of car does Angel [David Boreanaz] drive?
A: A 1967 Plymouth Belvedere GTX Convertible. Only 2,026 of Angel's car were made. A special car for a special vampire! Here are a few more stats:

* Production: 2D Coupe: 17,914. 2D Convertible: 2,026.
* Engines: 426 Hemi V8 [Email]425bhp@5000rpm[/Email], [Email]490lb-ft@4000rpm.[/Email] 440 V8 [Email]375bhp@4600rpm[/Email], [Email]480lb-ft@3200rpm.[/Email]
* Performance: 426/425bhp: 1/4 mile in low 13s. 440/375bhp: 0-60 in 6.6 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.2 sec @ 97mph

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definitely not the car from tommy boy.

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Engine is being assembled and all new stainless brake and fuel lines as well as tank have arrived.Heads have been reconditioned and are ready.

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.....and....?...or has this been "moved" to another section?? Bob, hope your retirement is going good for you and your business is booming. Hope you have a 'banner' year as I hear some business owners call a good year.

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I kinda like #3.

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Lets see somemore "Day Two" resto pics of the 66 Hemi Satellite, and was just curious but what type of work was done on the candy apple red 68 Hemi Cuda mentioned earlier.

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68 Cuda:
New Hemi engine
New Dana 60
driveshaft
front suspension
4 wheel disc brakes
aluminium rad
master cylinder
guages
fuel tank
fuel system
correct carbs
oil cooler
wiring
trans rebuild
shocks(frt/rear)
super stock battery
And a lot of small detail work.
The 66 Satillite:
Every thing detailed, restored,rebuilt, replaced as needed per owners instructions.
Jim Bane the owner has paid extra for our silience except for the changes mentioned in my earlier post.
We are currently concentrating on the 68 Hemi Dart that will be a "shocking surprise" to the Mopar community in 2012.The 68 Cuda will be back in the shop for additional work soon.

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Looks like the owner of this 68 Hemi Cuda had a lot of work done at your shop, just curious is this an original or a recreation. Hmm, so now you're going to tease us about a certain 68 Hemi Dart now huh, lol.

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68 Cuda was the original BO29 Paul Lance car.The Dart will remain a mistery until the 2012 season.