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590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe

Posted By: BryanRad

590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/19/10 09:59 PM

Anybody have any issues with the subject cam wiping a single lobe? I used the red slick stuff on the bottoms of lifters, straight 30 valvoline, lucas additive for the zinc and didnt let it idle. Wiped out number 8 intake lobe. Had Crane 99893 springs and 1.6 rockers on it.

Summit knocked a few bucks off another cam, but said I would have to go through Mopar Performance for "warranty". Is this worth pursuing?
Posted By: proshiftcharger

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/19/10 10:08 PM

Quote:

Anybody have any issues with the subject cam wiping a single lobe? I used the red slick stuff on the bottoms of lifters, straight 30 valvoline, lucas additive for the zinc and didnt let it idle. Wiped out number 8 intake lobe. Had Crane 99893 springs and 1.6 rockers on it.

Summit knocked a few bucks off another cam, but said I would have to go through Mopar Performance for "warranty". Is this worth pursuing?




There was a huge issue with this a fews years back with Mopar cams. When did you purchase the cam?
Posted By: dOOc

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/19/10 10:13 PM

Are you sure that the #8 intake hole was in good "shape" ?
Posted By: BryanRad

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/19/10 11:02 PM

Cam was bought new on 4/20/10. Cant say 100 percent that the lifter bore was in perfect shape. But was when the engine was disassembled a few months ago before I installed these heads and cam.
Posted By: abodiesonly1

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/19/10 11:04 PM

Did it wipe the lobe during the break in process?
Posted By: BryanRad

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/19/10 11:14 PM

Yeah
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/19/10 11:26 PM

Is the Lucas additive specifically for cam break in, or to boost zinc/phosphorus?
Posted By: BryanRad

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 12:09 AM

Break in additive, high in zinc I believe.
Posted By: abodiesonly1

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 12:13 AM

Break it in on the outer springs?
Posted By: BryanRad

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 12:24 AM

No, thought the only cams that needed this were those run of comp cams several years ago with bad cores.
Posted By: 77DragracerR/T

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 12:40 AM

There's the problem. You want a light spring pressure for a cam/lifter break in.Unless you're running a roller cam. Sorry to hear the bad news.I run that cam in my 408 and it likes it.I also run the Hughes springs #1111 and broke it in with just the outer spring.
Posted By: ahy

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 01:00 AM

Another suggestion... make sure your oil combination has plenty of zinc. The Valvoline oil won't by itself. I'm not so sure the Lucas has enough to compensate either. If you are starting with regular car oil, suggest you use the Comp cams break in additive or ZDPP. You need 1200+ PPM zinc for normal use perhaps 50% more - around 1800 - for breakin.

Another solution is diesel engine oil + STP. This has worked well for me. Both are available at any aut parts store or Walmart. Walmart usually stocks Rotella T in 10W30 which would be good for breakin.
Posted By: Leigh

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 01:52 AM

Dummy it up. Sharpie a line on top of each lifter. Turn the assembled engine over. Which ever lifter doesn't rotate, swap lifter holes until they all do. Thanks to Jericogtx.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 03:42 AM

I always run a fine wire brush on a drill through every lifter bore to polish it up a little and reduce friction/hold oil on the wall like a cylinder wall, move the drill up and down to creat a cross hatch pattern like a cylinder also. Also if you rotate the engine over you can watch every lifter rotate as it goes over the lobe. If one don't rotate you can scuff the bottom of the lifter a little with some scotch brite or cover the entire lifter in electrical tape except the bottom, then hit it lightly with the sand blaster to give it a way to grip the cam. Another thing you can do is polish the sides of the lifter, again this is to reduce friction. One other thing I do to make sure the lifter bore is straight enough is to put blue dye over the bottom of the lifter, put it on the cam (NO OIL ON EITHER ONE) then rotate the engine a few revolutions and see if it wipes the blue off by the edge of the lifter, if it takes it all the way off the edge of the lifter it needs a straight hole drilled and bushed, this is less of a problem with crappy chevy lobes on a mopar cam (like mopar performance cams) but get some real lobes like a comp XE HL and this becomes more critical.

Following thease precautions I have built a lot of engines, most of them flat tappet and never lost a lobe yet
Posted By: DrCharles

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 04:10 AM

Quote:

Dummy it up. Sharpie a line on top of each lifter. Turn the assembled engine over. Which ever lifter doesn't rotate, swap lifter holes until they all do. Thanks to Jericogtx.




When you say "assembled" do you mean with pushrods, rockers and valve springs in place?
(In other words, will the lifters rotate if only sitting on the cam with no spring pressure)?
Posted By: MRBELV2

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 05:18 AM

I was wondering the same thing.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 05:44 AM

yes you need to make sure it is rotateing the same way it will be when the engine is running.
Posted By: dOOc

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 07:19 AM

IS THIS another reason to BUSH the lifter bores ? (never done it myself)

ON any motors I am going to be doing ...I am going to put a dab of white paint on each lifter top ... so when running you can look-down into the valley and see if they are spinning properly.

Real light spring pressure ? ... I have heard opinions that say that toooo light makes the lifter skid .. instead of spin.

NEVER had a cam problem .. and hope never to.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 590 Purple Shaft wiping lobe - 09/20/10 05:01 PM

If you are running a super agressive mopar specific lobe then it is a good idea to check the lifter bores at a minimum, you can use my low buck method with the dye on the bottom of the lifter or you can have them checked at a machine shop. They need to be checked to make sure they are perfectly verticle over the cam lobe, not tilted front or back or even side to side.

As for checking the lifters for rotation while running, that is a great idea however, I would still check for rotation by hand upon instalation of a cam. It only takes a few minutes.
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