Posted By: mcmopars
crt or a&a - 09/16/10 08:26 PM
i know both are top line 727 builders.i want a street performance sb 727.cope wants 995.00 and a&a wants 1295.00.any comments? i know i will get a good tranny from either.i quess it a 300.00 doller guestion
Posted By: Badfish67
Re: crt or a&a - 09/16/10 09:12 PM
CRT...John is the best to deal with.
Posted By: 64dodge572
Re: crt or a&a - 09/16/10 09:45 PM
I bet if you look at a breakdown of all the parts used, there is a reason A&A is $300 more. I wouldn't buy 727 parts from anyone other than Rick.
Posted By: slantzilla
Re: crt or a&a - 09/16/10 11:00 PM
Here's all you need to know right here.
http://www.727specialist.com/index.html
Posted By: Dart Racer
Re: crt or a&a - 09/16/10 11:55 PM
I can only give an opinion on CRT since he has been my sole source of transmissions to date (2). And the ONLY reason he had to build two is because I wanted a backup, just in case something happened; as California is too far for a "quick" repair or replacement.
So far the backup has been a waste of money as my original trans that John built 5 years ago for my 493, 625HP Wedge is still performing flawlessly. And I still use the push-buttons.
So based on his great service, and product I would highly recommend CRT. But here again I haven't used A&A.
Posted By: FurryStump
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 03:21 AM
CRT built mine. Can't go wrong with CRT
CRT... No one better to deal with than John Cope.
Posted By: 451Mopar
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 09:53 AM
Never used A&A so I can't compare, but John at CRT has been great to deal with.
p.s. John, I still owe you a valve body core
Posted By: rebel
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 09:58 AM
i have a lot of A&A parts in my trans, they're top quality looking parts when compared to the stock stuff we took out. their Ultimate brake with the safe neutral is a wicked piece, leaves almost all my competition for dead, the others red light against me.
Posted By: mcmopars
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 11:52 AM
this isnt going to be a racing transmission,just a street performance.with shift kit.ive got a built small block tranny with mvb and i hate driving it on the street.its great at full throttle but just putting around the clashing and banging of the gears ive had enough.time for a tranny that will still bark the tires in 2nd but still shift smooth at light throttle.
Posted By: 1badx
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 12:34 PM
I have used both CRT and A&A. Both supply good products. The deciding factor for me is this - 99% of the time I call CRT, John (the owner) answers the phone! He is friendly, informative and very helpful. I don't know how he is able to get work done answering the phone all day but that helpful(and time consuming) practice has won my business.
Posted By: JBurch
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 02:45 PM
MY
, a tranny from CRT will be one of the best investments you'll make for your car. My 904 is 3 years old and doin' just great!
Money well spent!
Jim Burch
CRT all the way! Mine has worked flawlessly behind my mostly street sometimes race Hemi. Can't go wrong with John.
Posted By: Dap
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 03:04 PM
I bought my 727 from John at CRT and have bought parts from him also. Great guy to deal with..
Posted By: therocks
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 06:30 PM
CRT built the trans in the kids 62.It was pricey as he ordered it bullet proof.John had a free freshen up.Never needed it.Been in at least 5 years and plenty of street and strip miles.Ive never used A&A so I cant say anything about them.Rocky
Posted By: Kiddart
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 08:59 PM
Smokin Woody is right on the money as a mater of fact CRT sells the A&A Valve bodies if I am not mistaken. John is a Diamond in the ruff If you look in the yellow pages hes the one they made up the Good guys hear capes!! GO CRT!!! for sure
theres a lot of guys that rebuild MOPAR transmissions whether its racing or for street use...John Cope (CRT), built my race trans..
he stands behind what he builds and the products he sells...A$A are suppliers or should I say manufacturers (correct me if Im wrong) and build transmissions as well...CRT uses a lot of those parts plus he has a few that are manufactured for him...
for me, as I have done business with CRT, thats whom I would go to and save yourself that $300..
tell you a little story: when I first met John, he showed me what was wrong with my 727 in about 5 minutes...he tore down my trans that quick and explained what each part does and what parts he will use to build me a better trans...
He's a good honest man and knows his transmissions...
Posted By: mcmopars
Re: crt or a&a - 09/17/10 10:32 PM
called crt,john is out till monday.will call me monday morning.thanks for your input
Posted By: 451Mopar
Re: crt or a&a - 09/18/10 06:01 AM
If you need a true high performance 727 with all the good parts, like bolt-in sprag, bilit drum, steel spline front gear, max-lug pump, etc.., then buy an assembled trans from CRT.
I bought all the parts seperate and built my own trans, but it cost about the same as if I just bought an assembled trans. They make profit on all the individual parts, plus you pay shipping for all those parts too. With the assembled trans, it is almost like getting the labor for free.
CRT sells the A&A parts for the same price as A&A charges.
The 727 I just built has the aftermarket steel front drum. All the aftermarket drums use the '71 and up bushing and pump support. The pump has the modified support and the max-lug pump gears. Because the new front drum is a 5-clutch setup the rear clutch retainer needs the front edge beveled for clearance. Since this is a performance built, I got the aluminum rear clutch retainer, and also a lightened sun shell. At the time I was using a stock valve body with shift kit, so no rollerized rear support, just the stock one, but I did install the A&A super sprag. all the servos are aftermarket, 4.2:1 front band lever with the thick band strut and bilit band ancor. The HP borg warner bands ( I think they are kevlar?), Alto red eagle clutches and kolene steels, deep trans pan and filter extention, and some minor mods like rear vent kit, tapped direct passage for screw in restrictor plug, 10 springs in front clutch, drilled and tapped hole for throttle pressure adjustments, drilled small oil hole from cooler return for rear sprag lube, heli-coiled many holes, new stainless cooler lines, aux cooler, etc. Also, CSI trans sheild and matching locking dipstick/tube assembly. Finally a custom 9" Ultimate converter.
I later went to a CRT manual reverse valve body, removed the direct restrictor, and put all 15-springs in the front clutch drum.
As you can tell this is a pretty pricy 727 build, but still way easier/cheaper than a 48RE installed behind a modified Cummins turbo diesel.
Posted By: theclutcher
Re: crt or a&a - 09/18/10 12:28 PM
Had dealings with Rick at A&A yesterday afternoon at Norwalk.
Diagnosed issue in first sentence and saved a bunch of time.
Had parts in trialer.
They took car back to shop, pulled trans,replaced part and back to Norwalk by midnite.
He answered phone around 10 pm. discussing some issues.
Extremely helpful, professional and highly recommend.
Nothing against CRT, just havent dealt with them personally.
Back to track.
Posted By: justinp61
Re: crt or a&a - 09/18/10 01:47 PM
I have never had any dealings with A&A, but have never heard anything bad about them. John Cope helped me several times before I ever spent a dime with him. He's a great guy who doesn't care to share his knowledge
.
Posted By: FurryStump
Re: crt or a&a - 09/18/10 02:35 PM
My CRT fits the street performance trans idea. It's a auto shift behind a stroked small block 467 hp/510 torque. Drive it 2 1/2 hours to the track make six runs drive it back.
I went with John at CRT for my Coupe's tranny, it's a mild street car and I tossed a few parts in I probably didn't obviously NEED, but I wanted overkill over shoulda/woulda/coulda anyways....
To be honest, both guys sound great, but when I bought MY 727 I looked through the threads at the feedback, and John Cope is second to none.
Posted By: Twostick
Re: crt or a&a - 09/18/10 06:00 PM
I think the OP needs to get his current trans checked for shift overlap. A lot of trannies bark the tires not from brute force but because the wheels stopped turning
. Makes it seem really harsh at part throttle.
As for the CRT vs A&A I have no personal experience with either one but the fact that you can't find any negative posts on here for them speaks volumes to me.
Kevin
Posted By: mcmopars
Re: crt or a&a - 09/18/10 08:18 PM
dont get me wrong at all,i dont want to loose the barking the tires in 2nd heck i love it.but read again the normal shifting just going through the gears or downshifting it gear clashes the rear.dr diff even set me up a new rear so i know the rear gears arent the issue
Posted By: QWK_ENUF
Re: crt or a&a - 09/20/10 05:38 PM
every CRT trans is hand built by john
he also makes most parts on his own CNC machine
cant go wrong at CRT
