This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me.

Posted By: dartman366

This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 08:18 PM

As i said in a earlier post that I had taken the new converter out and sent it back to Jason at Quickdraw to have it re stalled a little higher, so I put the lod TCI in to make a few run's just for a comparison but right off the bat the front seal started to leak, so I pulled it back out to replace the seal and decided to just give up on my plan and decided to just wait for the converter to come back,,so while it was out and laying under the car on the jack I attempted to put the new seal in but was having trouble getting it started so I just pulled the tranny out from under the car and thats when I found it,,,,a crack half way around the case where the bellhousing mold's into the main gear case

you have got to be kidding me,, now I have to build another tranny between now and Norwalk and hope I do it right so their aren't any issues,,just what I wanted to do.

here's the first pic.

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Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 08:19 PM

next pic. has this happened to anyone else?

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Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 08:31 PM

too bad you could not have it machined for an ultra bell.darn good thing you found it!

Posted By: Jamie340

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 08:32 PM

Be thankful, that you found it before a catastrophe. That failing on the track could have been life threatening.
However I do understand the frustration.
Jamie

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 08:46 PM

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too bad you could not have it machined for an ultra bell.darn good thing you found it!

Bill like stated above check pricing for an ultrabell from summit. If its cracked in front of the pump you are good to go and saved a lot of work. Cutting the stock bell off was the hardest part of the job. all you would need is a little grinding and some longer grade 8 pump bolts.

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 08:58 PM

Bill I have never seen that on a trans before. So do you have another case sitting there that you can transfer in the insides of that one to and get it going? Is there anything you need that maybe I can help you with? Just let me know and I hope you do get it ready for Norwalk!!

Russ

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 09:03 PM

Wow they cost more than I remember.
Campbell Enterprises
727 j.w.92458 395 dollars on sale
904 j.w.92460 " " " "
Summit 336.00 est shipping date 9-24-2010

Posted By: 340RICK

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 09:09 PM

Sorry to here that Bill

But im glad you caught it in the garge rather than at the track

Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 09:23 PM

sorry to read and see that but like others have said better to find that kind of trouble before it ends up real bad..

Posted By: Kiddart

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 09:41 PM

It happened to me a few years ago in a 904, 3 days befor pinks at milan. thrashed to get a new case put it all back together had trans problems ever since.

I ordered a new trans from Cope once I got the new trans i pulled the old one a part found the main shaft had a slight wow in it. dont know how or why bit check that out as well.

Posted By: VernMotor

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 10:39 PM

Well I sent you a PM before I seen this post..call if you need some help..

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 11:10 PM

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Be thankful, that you found it before a catastrophe. That failing on the track could have been life threatening.
However I do understand the frustration.
Jamie

Your telling me,,it was just a stroke of luck that I found it, yes I have another case and will start tomorrow getting it prepped to transferr my good part's over to it,,, the funny thing is it appears that it has been cracked this way for some time and what ever kept it from dumping it's guts is beyond me.

Posted By: Butch

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 11:32 PM

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what ever kept it from dumping it's guts is beyond me.

Posted By: 440Jim

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 11:36 PM

Wow. I never saw that before, and hope I don't see it again. I guess 40 year old parts have lots of time to grow cracks. More of a pain and labor than cost, since you are doing it yourself and have another case. I am thinking the going rate for a 727 core case might be $100-$150, basically what you can get a complete core transmission for.

Looking at the cost of the JW Ultrabell, it doesn't seem to make sense when putting a 727 on a Mopar big or small block. But it would eliminate the need for the flexplate shield, but not the trans shield.

Posted By: JesseR

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 11:37 PM

We've had that problem before in the truck, went to an ultrabell and no problems since.

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Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/05/10 11:45 PM

Let me know if I can be of any help.

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 12:43 AM

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Let me know if I can be of any help.

that's funny right there.

sorry Bill just couldn't help myself.

Posted By: VernMotor

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 01:00 AM

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Let me know if I can be of any help.

that's funny right there.

sorry Bill just couldn't help myself.

I am trying not to laugh realy...........poor bill

Posted By: DartMan380

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 01:23 AM

Had the same thing happen here..

Had a bad vibration in the car that no one could find. The trans was out and getting ready to go back in and I was using a screw driver to scrape some junk off of it and found it. We had this vibration for 2+ months before that..

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 01:27 AM

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Had the same thing happen here..

Had a bad vibration in the car that no one could find. The trans was out and getting ready to go back in and I was using a screw driver to scrape some junk off of it and found it. We had this vibration for 2+ months before that..

funny you should say that, I had a vibration that mysteriously went away early in the season at CC Events @ National trails, but I was also fighting rocker issues then too.

Posted By: DartMan380

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 01:33 AM

funny you should say that, I had a vibration that mysteriously went away early in the season at CC Events @ National trails, but I was also fighting rocker issues then too.

Ours started about 55mph - And 20 times worse when you got out of the gas. This car was totally apart from one end to the other. Makes you

afterwards. Hope all goes well and you make it to Norwalk!

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 01:47 AM

I've seen that one other time Bill... it actually
cracked all the way around... the trans worked but had
a BAD clunking sound and a bad vibration... the only
way I noticed it was I put the jack under the pan to
lift it to see if the trans mount was bottoming out
but the front lifted instead of the rear... I still
dont know what caused it

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 02:22 AM

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I've seen that one other time Bill... it actually
cracked all the way around... the trans worked but had
a BAD clunking sound and a bad vibration... the only
way I noticed it was I put the jack under the pan to
lift it to see if the trans mount was bottoming out
but the front lifted instead of the rear... I still
dont know what caused it

Now THAT'S scarey!!

Posted By: DoubleD

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 02:34 AM

Seen it before with turbo 400's went through 4 trannies in a chevelle before we figured it out. It usually comes from running solid motor mounts and a solid tranny mount - if the car has the slightest twist it will break around the bell-housing. That vibration you felt and then went away - I bet that is when it cracked

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 02:38 AM

Now THAT'S scarey!!

I think the converter was the only thing that was
holding up the front

Posted By: FastmOp

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 03:04 AM

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Now THAT'S scarey!!

I think the converter was the only thing that was
holding up the front

I have done it before lmao, mine had an inch before it was all the way broke. I did what your doing, transfering guts to another case. Get a 200buck clutch kit and be done for another few years. Or atleast check em with a feeler guage to see where it's at.

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 12:49 PM

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Now THAT'S scarey!!

I think the converter was the only thing that was
holding up the front

I just freshened this one up this spring and it was working great, but I will go thru the clutches and stuff just to make sure.

DoubleD, I run a motor plate and limiters but with a stock rubber tranny mount, I know about the Turbo 400's having this issue and so do the stock powerglide's.

Posted By: colt340

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 07:51 PM

I had that happen to me. The driveshaft was not balanced and caused a crack all the way around the bell housing accept at the bottom. I found it when the starter went turn the engine over.

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/06/10 09:10 PM

Bill, if you can't get it done, I have a fresh CRT trans sitting on the shelf. Never installed, waiting for a project that will never happen. You can use it if in a pinch. it was built for an 850 HP heavy car, so it's a great piece.

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/07/10 12:05 AM

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Bill, if you can't get it done, I have a fresh CRT trans sitting on the shelf. Never installed, waiting for a project that will never happen. You can use it if in a pinch. it was built for an 850 HP heavy car, so it's a great piece.

bet it ain't a 904 tho,

thanks for the offer Rich,,,the new one is a work in progress as I got the case prepped today and will be assembling tomorrow if all go's well with the gut's from the broken one.

Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/07/10 01:10 PM

Good luck.

Posted By: Evil Spirit

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/07/10 01:41 PM

I've seen 2 904's do this - 1 had been extensively cleaned up to remove all the casting seams, etc. and had a lot of material removed in that area; the other was a stock case. Both of them cracked after other driveline parts failed and the driveline unloaded under full power.

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/07/10 05:39 PM

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I've seen 2 904's do this - 1 had been extensively cleaned up to remove all the casting seams, etc. and had a lot of material removed in that area; the other was a stock case. Both of them cracked after other driveline parts failed and the driveline unloaded under full power.

well the tranny's back together and I am waiting to pick up the converter in the morning, I did have a front U joint that was loose and I replaced it and the driveshaft had been balanced and no weights are missing,

It all go's back in thursday and hopefully I can test it out saturday at Pacemaker's.

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/07/10 06:59 PM

Sorry to hear this Bill. At least you caught it before Norwalk.
I hope I see you there.

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/07/10 07:07 PM

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Sorry to hear this Bill. At least you caught it before Norwalk.
I hope I see you there.

Thanks Vic, don't worry I will be there, fresh tranny, fresh converter and all tuned up, and ready for 10.00000's again.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/07/10 07:32 PM

Glad to hear you got it all back together... lacking the install

Posted By: dartman366

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/09/10 07:00 PM

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Glad to hear you got it all back together... lacking the install

Well Mike the install is complete, Walt and I put it in this morning and fired her up and all seem's to be good, I hope so cause I may not get to test this weekend and the last chance is Norwalk.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: This totally stink's,,lot's of work ahead of me. - 09/09/10 07:17 PM

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next pic. has this happened to anyone else?

I had the tail shaft housing break completely in half...does that count?