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418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno

Posted By: RyanJ

418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 12:37 AM

340 block 4.08" bore
Eagle 4340 4.0" Crank
6.123" H beams
KB Forged dish pistons
10.3:1 Compression
Milodon 7 QT Pan, Moroso electric water pump
INDY/RHS LA-X heads, 2.055"/1.60" valves
Heads got 5 angle valve job, back cut intake valves, bowl ported & little pushrod pinch work. No flow #'s
1.5:1 Rockers
Bullet Solid "street" roller, 264/268 @ .050", 108 LSA, .604"/.594" lift, Herbert lifters
Crane 3/8" pushrods
INDY 360-3 Oval port intake converted to std pattern/rectangle port.

Ran 3 different carbs on it, 950HP, 750 Proform, 830 Holley

The 950 worked best... the 830 was junk, The 750 was only down 3 HP, but off about 12-15 FT Lbs, & actually moved TQ band up about 300 RPM for some reason....

Never dynoed anything with magnum based on heads on it before.. Thought this combo may eak out 550, & was surprised when we surpased that on the 2nd pull.

The INDY intake was a wildcard & did what I hoped it would do.... it made TQ... It would have been alot easier to run a victor or SV on this combo but I decided early on in the going that I'd try an ICH -3 due to runner length. This motor actually made better TQ than a 12.5:1 416 Edelbrock that had better heads, more cam etc. That had a SV on it... Granted that one made 50 more HP up top, but could not match this one for TQ. & the INDY was not hurting HP by any stretch of imagination....

I guess biggest surprise I had was how much timing it wanted.... was not happy making power with less than 38 degrees in it, would not have expected that...


This will be a real nice little street motor.... lot's of TQ right off the bottom, nothing radical, easy to work on... simple & straightforward.

Those RHS heads definitely work really well, without alot of... well work. For a more mild motor, they are by far best bang for buck head out there, especially considering how high E heads have gotten in price. Just have to be willing to live with the weight penalty of iron & the cooling differences etc.

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Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 12:38 AM

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Posted By: j.mcconnell

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 12:46 AM

really nice. are those 1-3/4" headers? who's valve covers?
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:12 AM

hey Ryan is there a Indy intake that will bolt to my Indybrock heads.

oh these heads are on a 9.350 deck
Posted By: Pat7272

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:13 AM

Very nice street motor example!

Ryan - whats a rought budget for a build like this if you would please?
Posted By: quick77rt

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:20 AM

Outstanding

Ryan, What do you think this motor would do with the same prep work on a set of eddie or indybrock heads.

What would be the approx cost of a set of heads done like this vs the others above mentioned?

Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:38 AM

I wish I had it!!!! VERY nice!!!
Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:40 AM

pump gas?
Posted By: RAMM

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:43 AM

KB's with a dish in .08" OS--not that I know of. 6000+ rpm peak hp on a 418 ci with that CS? BIG cam though, WOW! J.Rob
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:43 AM

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pump gas?




10.3:1 compression,I would hope so!!!
Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:46 AM

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pump gas?




10.3:1 compression,I would hope so!!!




With iron heads i would not bet on it.
Posted By: cudadoug

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:52 AM

With that much stick, it should run on pump gas on the pump AND in the car.

Ryan, how could no have any flow numbers???? Grrrr

What is the deck height/head gasket/quench combo?

Are those heads cool or what??
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:53 AM

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Outstanding

Ryan, What do you think this motor would do with the same prep work on a set of eddie or indybrock heads.

What would be the approx cost of a set of heads done like this vs the others above mentioned?






Same prep.... 580's & would probably make little less TQ, especially @ the lower RPM's Although it would have issues @ 10.3:1 with alum heads... The compression ratio this thing was going to end up with was one of reasons I ended up going with these heads on this motor (long story involving a previously machined heavily decked block, milled down pistons & other factors) This was originally going to be an Edelbrock head motor...

Edel heads with same prep would be about $550-$600 more.

There is no direct bolt on INDY intake for std bolt pattern/port heads.

& No pricing on motors on board, I'll PM you an idea of what motor like this costs.
Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 01:57 AM

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With that much stick, it should run on pump gas on the pump AND in the car.

Ryan, how could no have any flow numbers???? Grrrr

What is the deck height/head gasket/quench combo?

Are those heads cool or what??




I would be tempted to run a mix if it were mine.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 02:00 AM

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With that much stick, it should run on pump gas on the pump AND in the car.

Ryan, how could no have any flow numbers???? Grrrr

What is the deck height/head gasket/quench combo?

Are those heads cool or what??




Yes pump gas. I did not do a cyl press test, but I'm sure it's not up there....

Flow #'s not important to me

Don't ask about deck height. I'll just say it has a .040 gasket, piston is now @ zero deck. Block came to me as a used piece that was heavily decked & I had to machine pistons to set @ zero.... was just a pain.

Heads are pretty cool for what they cost. This was upgrade set with some custom valves ICH had made for roller cam use, hence why the 2.055 head.... I actually set these up @ 1.82" IH, but I had plenty of height to kill off. I think I could have done a 1.90 in it.
Posted By: cudadoug

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 02:13 AM

Thanks Ryan. One (but 3 parts) more and I'll leave it alone (maybe)...

Is the runner length of the Indy intake longer than the SV, and if so how much and how do you think that effects the power.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 02:18 AM

Quote:

Thanks Ryan. One (but 3 parts) more and I'll leave it alone (maybe)...

Is the runner length of the Indy intake longer than the SV, and if so how much and how do you think that effects the power.




Yes it's visibly longer than the SV, although I have not measured the SV. I have never put an INDY on anything that has not ran quite well, did'nt matter if it was a 500 HP flat tappet 340, Dirt track W2 360, 450" INDY -1 motor making 760+ HP. It is just a great very versitile intake manifold that works well on a wide variety of engines. I'd loved to have dynoed this thing with this intake & then an RPM Air gap.... but was'nt to be.
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 02:32 AM

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KB's with a dish in .08" OS--not that I know of. 6000+ rpm peak hp on a 418 ci with that CS? BIG cam though, WOW! J.Rob




KB745, Avail in 4.00", 4.03", 4.04", 4.06", 4.07", 4.08"

Learn something new every day
Posted By: all spooled up

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 02:37 AM

those rhs/indy heads have w2 w5 intake bolt spacing?????
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 02:44 AM

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those rhs/indy heads have w2 w5 intake bolt spacing?????




No. I changed the bolt pattern on the intake.
Posted By: cudadoug

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 04:02 AM

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Thanks Ryan. One (but 3 parts) more and I'll leave it alone (maybe)...

Is the runner length of the Indy intake longer than the SV, and if so how much and how do you think that effects the power.




Yes it's visibly longer than the SV, although I have not measured the SV. I have never put an INDY on anything that has not ran quite well, did'nt matter if it was a 500 HP flat tappet 340, Dirt track W2 360, 450" INDY -1 motor making 760+ HP. It is just a great very versitile intake manifold that works well on a wide variety of engines. I'd loved to have dynoed this thing with this intake & then an RPM Air gap.... but was'nt to be.




Okay ONE more: Good 'ol epoxy in the intake ports?
Posted By: 72demon416

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 05:18 AM

Always a interesting read- thanks for the post!
Posted By: fishy340

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 05:26 AM

customer should be tickled w that,the tq is sweet same as i had in my 418ci eddy head motor,but u have 40+hp.my dart went 10.80s @ 3200lbs
Posted By: RAMM

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 12:56 PM

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KB's with a dish in .08" OS--not that I know of. 6000+ rpm peak hp on a 418 ci with that CS? BIG cam though, WOW! J.Rob




KB745, Avail in 4.00", 4.03", 4.04", 4.06", 4.07", 4.08"

Learn something new every day




Actually I just checked my catalog and KB745's are only available up to 4.06" So the catalog is wrong I guess but at least I read it right. J.Rob
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 02:04 PM

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KB's with a dish in .08" OS--not that I know of. 6000+ rpm peak hp on a 418 ci with that CS? BIG cam though, WOW! J.Rob




KB745, Avail in 4.00", 4.03", 4.04", 4.06", 4.07", 4.08"

Learn something new every day




Actually I just checked my catalog and KB745's are only available up to 4.06" So the catalog is wrong I guess but at least I read it right. J.Rob




Get the newest catalog, It's also avail online in pdf form online. Technically these are "icon" pistons, which is new name for the KB Forged stuff, but still listed in teh KB catalog as a KB745.
Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 08/31/10 05:03 PM

that stroker makes some good power
Posted By: DJVCuda

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 09/01/10 03:12 AM

Ryan - what gas were you using for the testing?
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 09/01/10 02:14 PM

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Ryan - what gas were you using for the testing?




92 @ first & then we threw a splash of race in it to try to cool off a couple cyls that had pretty high EGT's @ top end of a pull, just to see if fuel would do anything, cooled them a hair (20-30 degrees) but still ran fairly warm for what the AF #'s were showing us. It was actually more a function of low timing that was causing the higher EGTs, we were starting in the 28 range, which I thought would be OK, but not with this combo. Bumped to 30 then 32.... helped little @ time, but Once we got above 35, the EGT's came down about 60-80 degrees up top. I was just really surprised how much timing it needed.
Posted By: hp340nos

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 09/01/10 04:35 PM

hey ryan if the total timing was 38*,where did the base timing end up at?thanks mike
Posted By: sshemi

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 09/01/10 09:06 PM

how much for a pair of heads prepped like that?

Also is it dynoed with 1 7/8" headers?

Im planning a build like that but with super victor and a street flat mech cam.
But i have Je flat tops with 6.8cc valve reliefs. Do you think the chambers can be opened up to about 72 cc without too much work?
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 09/01/10 09:39 PM

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hey ryan if the total timing was 38*,where did the base timing end up at?thanks mike




I just ran it with a locked out MSD dyno distributor. It will be fine with anywhere above 16 initial & light springs that come in quick. It idled really good @ around 850 RPM, did not check vacuum....
Posted By: RyanJ

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 09/01/10 09:42 PM

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how much for a pair of heads prepped like that?

Also is it dynoed with 1 7/8" headers?

Im planning a build like that but with super victor and a street flat mech cam.
But i have Je flat tops with 6.8cc valve reliefs. Do you think the chambers can be opened up to about 72 cc without too much work?




I'll PM you on price

Yes they were 1 7/8 primaries, the Ex port is so small on these I doubt a small header would hurt much at all.

72 CC would require pretty radical re-shape of chamber.... I think these ended up @ 66, with a .004" cleanup cut on deck & after the valve job sunk seats a hair more than OOB.
Posted By: kotacars

Re: 418 RHS/INDY LA-X Head Motor on Dyno - 09/02/10 01:18 PM

Were these heads ported at all and what rockers did you use. To get the intake to fit did you weld up the holes in the intake or just drill new holes in the head?
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