raced a chevy today

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/16/10 03:43 PM

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I KNEW the Buzz Killingtons would IMMEDIATELY post! I regret that I wont be able to have the Demon up and running until my kids reach 18 and the child support is no longer required. As kids they will miss out on the jaunts with their dads mopar.

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Posted By: mickm

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/16/10 04:27 PM

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I agree. Could you live with yourself if something would have happened? Street racing is a bad idea although most of us have done it but street racing with your 8 yo son is just stupid.

in a word, yes.

that 1/2 mile stretch of expressway we had at that moment was no different than a track, minus the personnel. bordered on both sides, wide and no on ramps.

we all make our decisions, and the ones that come from the gut are always the right ones. at that single moment, i knew it was the thing to do. if i felt different, i wouldn't have done it, period. drag racing down a city street with traffic all around, after a few beers at night? i'll agree with the rest of you on that.

but that is my life, i take risks that most people don't. i go to some of the deepest, most remote, most extreme places in africa, where there are no roads and there are no phones and there are no safety nets. out there, you are on your own, period. and as soon as my son is old enough to say he wants to go, i'll take him. and if something happens, then that is what it is.

one man's risk is another man's yawn.

Posted By: mickm

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/16/10 04:46 PM

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What is all done to your RR, better yet, what does it run in the 1/4??

Any moderately built 454 powered chevy-II should see 10s if its built right, nothing fancy, just well tuned with the basic goodies, its very possible he was playing with you.

i agree about a 454 chevy II, which is why i was surprised that i kept up as well as i did.

as for my car, i've been chasing missing horsepower for a while. my first time at the track, (first time ever), i did 13.1's at 109mph. i couldn't keep the rear tires from spinning, and just had to leave the line like leaving a stoplight, so that had a lot to do with it, not knowing how to launch the car with tires that have no traction.

it's a 472 with aluminum mopar heads, cam is 241@50, .582/.546 113 lsa, stage V intake, 2 eddy 650's. not quite sure of the compression, as i don't know how far in the hole the pistons are, but a rough guess using a compression calculator is 10:1.

i think i've done some reasonable tuning improvements since that track time though. i had it on the dyno and it did 467 ft lbs of torque at the rear wheels. hp was 421 and climbing, but he let off after he saw the torque peak, which i didn't realize until later, so not exactly sure what that would have been.

some real tires are somewhere out there on the horizon, and i got an LM-1 the other day, so hopefully before too long i'll get it back to the track and see what it will do.

Posted By: joedust451

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 01:36 AM

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What is all done to your RR, better yet, what does it run in the 1/4??

Any moderately built 454 powered chevy-II should see 10s if its built right, nothing fancy, just well tuned with the basic goodies, its very possible he was playing with you.

I dunno I saw a 454 stuffed into a 66-67 chevelle this weekend at the shop were my car is. It looks all kinds of impressive w/ aluminum heads, 1000cfm throttle body and BIG headers. I say to my buddy who's working on my car, "wow that thing must run". he starts to laugh, "you'd kill him that thing only put out 276hp at the rear wheels and only 303 footlbs of torque. It's all for show".

Your talking Malibu vs. chevy-II, theres a "solid" 1000 lbs. right there with the same drivetrain, so there is no comparison, I have seen & still do many many BB chevelles "kicking ass" at the track in full trim, solid 10 second cars tagged & stickered, sure most are 502s or 496s, but your talking alot of weight, my heart is in mopars, but i still like chevies, i'm sure that 454 chevelle was fairly mild on the inside, or it was just plain built wrong for those #s, a stock 454 LS6 will easialy see those #s too the wheels, I road in 1 back in the 80s, it was all stock with just mufflers, definitly got my attention

. Another guy i knew had a 69 396 Nova (375 horse), that car scared the out of me, now of coarse i was 19 yrs. old at the time, it was a solid low 11 car. Mopars will ALWAYS be the under-dog, its just that way, so its always nice to beat up on a chevy, i've done it many times in my duster, but if i beat a chevy that should have beat me with its combo, it was not built right period, but if it was, i lost that simple, i've had a few SB Novas & chevy-IIs stomp my ass at the track, then again, i've stomped a few, if its built "right", it'll run, no matter what it is, you find this out with age

Posted By: joedust451

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 01:42 AM

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was at a friends house, and he said "you hear that? that's my next door neighbor's nova."

went over to check it out, a black 63-64 chevy II, tubbed, slicks and a 454, (that's all i know about it).

friend said, "mickey has the road runner out there."

"you want to run it?"

"sure, but it won't be much of a run against this!"

this thing sounded nice! serious suspension set up, lots of traction, if he had the power, but what the hell!

long story short, we end up on an expressway, no cars in sight, and go for it at about 10mph. end of first he has me by about 1/2 a car length, going into third about a car, and going into 4th, when we shut it down, he was 1 1/2 -2 lengths in front of me, (but novas are short cars ).

we slow down and he nails it again, which i wasn't expecting. i was in 3rd, and should have gone to 2nd, but i just nailed it. i was at 3000 or so, and he started leaving me behind but once it got above 4000 we were moving pretty even. light coming up in the distance, so we shut it down.

not bad at all, thinks i. i expected to get whooped a lot worse than that! can't imagine what that car weighs, but with the work he's done i wouldn't be surprised if it was many hundreds of lbs less than the road runner. i don't know what he's done to the engine, but if it as mean as the car looks and sounds, it should be pretty nasty!

he is off to a friends, and i have to turn and find my way back to where we came from. so we wave and head off.

my 8 year old son came with me, and was as giddy as he could be, his first drag race, he loved it!

so i'm happy thinking i did well against a car that should have walked over me a hell of a lot worse than that.

then i talked to my neighbor, and he said, "i think i know that car, it's a 9.50 car!"

" i don't know", says i, "i did pretty well against him!".

"yeah, unless he was just playing with you..."

hmmm.... hadn't thought of that!

but damn that was fun! i love this stuff!

If i were you, Go back over to him & say, look, we need to line em up again, no playing around, i want to see you "kick" my a$$, because you should

, no jackin around, heads up from a dead "stop" with a flagger, of coarse, you may want to leave the little one at home

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 02:27 AM

"some real tires are somewhere out there on the horizon, and i got an LM-1 the other day, so hopefully before too long i'll get it back to the track and see what it will do."

for the price off the LM-1 you could of had good tires and a vacuum gauge. more than enough to tune your ride...and have some fun

Posted By: rowin4

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 02:40 AM

If i were you, Go back over to him & say, look, we need to line em up again, no playing around, i want to see you "kick" my a$$, because you should

, no jackin around, heads up from a dead "stop" with a flagger, of coarse, you may want to leave the little one at home

Well yes thats a good idea, even better yet have your 8 year old son be the flag man. Just tell him to go over to the other side of the express way after you take off and you'll pick him up on the way back.

Posted By: W7_Scamp

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 02:46 AM

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Sorry but you don't sound to smart doing that with your 8 year old some in the car. Have you ever heard of child endangerment?They take kids away for less.

Mick is a mature man and a very good Father.. I'm sure if he didnt feel it was safe, he would have never put his son in this situation..

Maybe so... but IF a cop would have seen them racing
the cop would say differently... not smart

I agree. Could you live with yourself if something would have happened? Street racing is a bad idea although most of us have done it but street racing with your 8 yo son is just stupid.

A rolling start up to 80 with a 13 sec car definatly not child endangerment.

Look how many people rip around the interstates at 70mph in the rain with children aboard, Now which is more dangerous

Teach the kids young and they'll excell wait till they're teens and you'll likely have a tard on you're hands.

My 8,4,and 2 year old love big burnouts and and eigth mile hits with my 11sec valiant

The 6 month old is a little young yet give him another year. What ya teach em now will stay in they're memory forever. My oldest boy got his first dirt bike at age 3. He can ride anything you put him on now at age 8. I see neighbor kids around 13,14 that can't even ride 4 wheeler. Then they get hurt and I think it's the parent's fault.

I'm currently teachin the 8yr old how to drive a car. never too young to learn

Posted By: J_GAMALA

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 05:11 AM

Posted By: StealthWedge67

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 05:55 AM

We all like to romp on it once in a while, but going out with another car to race on the street, AND bringing your 8 y.o. kid with you??? It's been a while since I've heard of a dumber move than that from a grown adult.

Posted By: slippery440

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 11:21 AM

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I agree. Could you live with yourself if something would have happened? Street racing is a bad idea although most of us have done it but street racing with your 8 yo son is just stupid.

in a word, yes.

that 1/2 mile stretch of expressway we had at that moment was no different than a track, minus the personnel. bordered on both sides, wide and no on ramps.

we all make our decisions, and the ones that come from the gut are always the right ones. at that single moment, i knew it was the thing to do. if i felt different, i wouldn't have done it, period. drag racing down a city street with traffic all around, after a few beers at night? i'll agree with the rest of you on that.

but that is my life, i take risks that most people don't. i go to some of the deepest, most remote, most extreme places in africa, where there are no roads and there are no phones and there are no safety nets. out there, you are on your own, period. and as soon as my son is old enough to say he wants to go, i'll take him. and if something happens, then that is what it is.

one man's risk is another man's yawn.

Big differance between the stupid street race and track.At the track they would not allow you to be dumb enough to let the kid be in the car.

What you call a race is just a joke.

Posted By: joedust451

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 11:36 AM

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If i were you, Go back over to him & say, look, we need to line em up again, no playing around, i want to see you "kick" my a$$, because you should

, no jackin around, heads up from a dead "stop" with a flagger, of coarse, you may want to leave the little one at home

Narrow minded

, If you could "read" i said to leave the little one at home, then you make a comment like this

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Oh wait, maybe its because i like chevys too

Posted By: 69B3GT

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 12:07 PM

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We all like to romp on it once in a while, but going out with another car to race on the street, AND bringing your 8 y.o. kid with you??? It's been a while since I've heard of a dumber move than that from a grown adult.

My parents raced when i was younger and in the car ( my dad still does and im 19 now), guess they must be dumb too

He had an innocent race with his son and made some memories big deal dont cry about it, If it wasnt for parents getting kids hooked on cars at a young age there would be nobody to continue the hobby

Posted By: bwdst6

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 03:44 PM

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it's a 472 with aluminum mopar heads, cam is [Email]241@50[/Email], .582/.546 113 lsa, stage V intake, 2 eddy 650's. not quite sure of the compression, as i don't know how far in the hole the pistons are, but a rough guess using a compression calculator is 10:1.

If that chevy-11 was not playing with you, you kept it within a car or two and you were running a 13.1 et run at the time then your vehicle has the potential to absolutely obliterate him! I'm running almost the identical combination (same carbs, cube's, intake, gears) with the exception of more cam, auto, less compression and less weight I'd guess. I am using drag radials though, and that might help you!

Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 04:14 PM

You guys need to lighten up on this guy. I can recall countless times with my ol man in the 69 Charger sitting in the back seat eating ashed from the center ash tray when he grabbed 2nd gear. I can also remember doing cookies in his 70 340 `cuda. Thats what got me hooked as a gear head, and think thats what keeps the younger kids interested in old iron. There isnt a father on this planet who would purposly endanger his children, even a drunk like my ol man, But I love him for doing all the stuff we used to do. We even went 4 wheeling in his 440 powered ramcharger through minimum maintenance roads in 3ft of powder snow.

I give my 19 month old lil girl rides on "her" go cart, and she loves it. She loves riding on the 4 wheeler, and basically anything that has an engine and makes noise. She cries when I fire up my Harley. She comes running at me arms out wanting up, and I just cant give her a ride on my big bike, way to dangerous.

But Im sure a lot of us on here got started by that "feeling" with our dads whenever he would row through the gears, or lookover at ya in he 69 dart GTS 383 convertable, and say "ya wanna go fast around that guy". I never said , well dad, that is very dangerous, stupid, and what if there is a cop, you know dad, Im in here, and I could get hurt, so Ill have to kindly decline on your offer. HELL no I said lets go daddy!!

Kasey

Posted By: mickm

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 04:39 PM

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"some real tires are somewhere out there on the horizon, and i got an LM-1 the other day, so hopefully before too long i'll get it back to the track and see what it will do."

for the price off the LM-1 you could of had good tires and a vacuum gauge. more than enough to tune your ride...and have some fun

oh, i know that. but the track is a long ways away, and i live in a very dense area. not a lot of places to spend some real time opening it up.

so i decided to get the LM-1. that will get my A/F dead on, so i can play with simpler things at the track, timing, etc...

besides, i got a decent deal on the LM-1.

Posted By: mickm

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 04:47 PM

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If i were you, Go back over to him & say, look, we need to line em up again, no playing around, i want to see you "kick" my a$$, because you should , no jackin around, heads up from a dead "stop" with a flagger, of coarse, you may want to leave the little one at home .

not a bad idea. but he did take me, so if i'm going to, i'll need to get it dialed in and see if there is anything more there.

but this time, instead of leaving the little one at home, i'll have him flag the race and then lead chase on his bicycle to draw the cops away, and that way i can keep this thread going

Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 04:53 PM

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If i were you, Go back over to him & say, look, we need to line em up again, no playing around, i want to see you "kick" my a$$, because you should , no jackin around, heads up from a dead "stop" with a flagger, of coarse, you may want to leave the little one at home .

not a bad idea. but he did take me, so if i'm going to, i'll need to get it dialed in and see if there is anything more there.

but this time, instead of leaving the little one at home, i'll have him flag the race and then lead chase on his bicycle to draw the cops away, and that way i can keep this thread going

LMAO!!!

Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 05:05 PM

I agree
Dont let the other spoil the great moment. A aware dad even behind a old Muscle car is 3x more aware tha most any women can be....EVER..
Take the same women add a car load of kids, and then put a cell phone in there hands.....
No thanks..I would rather have my kids ride with the dad...

Great story BTW

Posted By: joedust451

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 07:09 PM

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If i were you, Go back over to him & say, look, we need to line em up again, no playing around, i want to see you "kick" my a$$, because you should , no jackin around, heads up from a dead "stop" with a flagger, of coarse, you may want to leave the little one at home .

but this time, instead of leaving the little one at home, i'll have him flag the race and then lead chase on his bicycle to draw the cops away, and that way i can keep this thread going

That'll work too

Posted By: BB Dart 69

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 07:24 PM

YOU guys are to up tight! Theres a time and a place to tear it up with YOUR kid. Be safe

Posted By: mxbeep

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 07:42 PM

here is my

Your Hemi makes way much more HP then his 454, a lot of the pro stret cars are for looks only, although when setup right they put out very decent 1/4 et's as they have no traction issues.

From a rolling start, all of his chassis work is useless for a less then 500 hp engine, so you were at par as for traction, your engine is making more HP then his 454, The only advantage he had on you was weight saving, although a well built cage/tubbed car with a BB chevy should be at least 3000 lbs and your b-body Hemi should be around 4000.

If i were the owner of that tubbed Nova, i would never drag race from a rolling start, it would be from a dead start... using the car to its full potential.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 08:57 PM

I think you need to see why your 472 Aluminum headed Hemi is only getting you 109mph in the 1/4. Is the car falling flat at the big end? I'd think that set-up should be could for close to 120. My iron headed, smaller cammed (solid) 440-6 should be in the 114-117 range. Try a set of holleys on that thing. I do agree, some of those "tubbed out" low slung BB cars are for show only.
Get some tweaking done and some slicks and have him meet you at your local track.

Posted By: mickm

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 09:08 PM

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It's been a while since I've heard of a dumber move than that from a grown adult.

how about this.

Posted By: thedriver

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/17/10 11:07 PM

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I agree
Dont let the other spoil the great moment. A aware dad even behind a old Muscle car is 3x more aware tha most any women can be....EVER..
Take the same women add a car load of kids, and then put a cell phone in there hands.....
No thanks..I would rather have my kids ride with the dad...

Great story BTW

Posted By: mickm

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/18/10 01:08 AM

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I think you need to see why your 472 Aluminum headed Hemi is only getting you 109mph in the 1/4. Is the car falling flat at the big end? I'd think that set-up should be could for close to 120. My iron headed, smaller cammed (solid) 440-6 should be in the 114-117 range. Try a set of holleys on that thing. I do agree, some of those "tubbed out" low slung BB cars are for show only.
Get some tweaking done and some slicks and have him meet you at your local track.

that's the plan really. i'm not so concerned about him, i'm much more concerned about getting the car to where it should be.

once i do, no issues paying him a polite visit to say hello

Posted By: MikeyT

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/18/10 01:20 AM

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my 8 year old son came with me, and was as giddy as he could be, his first drag race, he loved it!

People got to live a little bit! I know it wasn't right, but this very situation is why I love mopars! My brother did the same thing with me in his 1969 Road Runner. I was probably 7 years old at the time and we were on a safe desert county road! I can still remember the feeling!

Mike

Posted By: We The People

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/18/10 02:51 AM

my dad used to let me sit in front of him on his 73 honda 750-4, so I could steer, and use the throttle. He would hold the bars too, but man that was awesome, at 8 or 9 years old to be able to twist the grip and feel the bike pull. Hearing that bike echo off the hills... I will always remember.

Posted By: joshking440

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/18/10 03:52 AM

almost every fond memory of my father i have a direct association to doing something like what you describe.... doin doughnuts in a snowy parking lots, flat tracking his friends old stock car in our cow pastures, power brakes on country roads, or a little street romp..... take these things away from your kids.... No way... thinking of these things still make me smile and im 30!!!

Posted By: Junky

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/18/10 04:09 AM

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we all make our decisions, and the ones that come from the gut are always the right ones. at that single moment, i knew it was the thing to do. if i felt different, i wouldn't have done it, period. drag racing down a city street with traffic all around, after a few beers at night? i'll agree with the rest of you on that.

but that is my life, i take risks that most people don't. i go to some of the deepest, most remote, most extreme places in africa, where there are no roads and there are no phones and there are no safety nets. out there, you are on your own, period. and as soon as my son is old enough to say he wants to go, i'll take him. and if something happens, then that is what it is.

one man's risk is another man's yawn.

Right on.

Posted By: J_GAMALA

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/18/10 05:57 AM

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and that way i can keep this thread going

your doing a good job of it

Posted By: Max Wedge Savoy

Re: raced a chevy today - 08/18/10 02:04 PM

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You guys need to lighten up on this guy. I can recall countless times with my ol man in the 69 Charger sitting in the back seat eating ashed from the center ash tray when he grabbed 2nd gear. I can also remember doing cookies in his 70 340 `cuda. Thats what got me hooked as a gear head, and think thats what keeps the younger kids interested in old iron. There isnt a father on this planet who would purposly endanger his children, even a drunk like my ol man, But I love him for doing all the stuff we used to do. We even went 4 wheeling in his 440 powered ramcharger through minimum maintenance roads in 3ft of powder snow.

I give my 19 month old lil girl rides on "her" go cart, and she loves it. She loves riding on the 4 wheeler, and basically anything that has an engine and makes noise. She cries when I fire up my Harley. She comes running at me arms out wanting up, and I just cant give her a ride on my big bike, way to dangerous.

But Im sure a lot of us on here got started by that "feeling" with our dads whenever he would row through the gears, or lookover at ya in he 69 dart GTS 383 convertable, and say "ya wanna go fast around that guy". I never said , well dad, that is very dangerous, stupid, and what if there is a cop, you know dad, Im in here, and I could get hurt, so Ill have to kindly decline on your offer. HELL no I said lets go daddy!!

Kasey

That's a fantastic story man! I have a similar situation with my son. I own a 56 Buick that we cruise around in. The boy can be upstairs and on the other side of the house and can still hear the car when I start it. He comes running out to the front porch window and is yelling to get my attention. He is only 3 and a half but it has been the same way since he was a little pup. He HAS to take a ride with me and sit in the front seat (no comments necessary from the nay sayers here). Any time he is hot rodding with me he has to have the 'look'. He puts the shades on and gets the lean just right, although he can't see over the dash board. Make the memories while you can! I'm not going to live forever and I would love to have my son enjoy the same things I do. It gives us more time to bond before he starts his own life.