Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER
FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/20/10 06:30 PM
Whats the difference in these 2 events/classes/functions???
FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT
Posted By: F1Scamp
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/20/10 07:15 PM
There isn't huge differences.
Ralph allows more deviations from factory casting number parts, more aftermarket blocks,siamese bores, etc.in Supercars.
Come on out to a FAST race to see what it's all about. I am 50-60% sure I am going to the Mopar Nats, Not sure if Jeff P is coming, Don't know which car Tom C is bringing, but there should be a few smallblock mopars out there.
Ralph allows more deviations from factory casting number parts, more aftermarket blocks,siamese bores, etc.in Supercars.
Come on out to a FAST race to see what it's all about. I am 50-60% sure I am going to the Mopar Nats, Not sure if Jeff P is coming, Don't know which car Tom C is bringing, but there should be a few smallblock mopars out there.
Posted By: scatpacktom
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/20/10 07:46 PM
Basicly one is just a rip off of the other. 
Posted By: Big Squeeze
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/20/10 07:59 PM
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Basicly one is just a rip off of the other.
Ouch, Tommy......
Posted By: cjfordman
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/20/10 09:32 PM
About 1.1 seconds and 13 mph .
Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/20/10 10:22 PM
The two classes are similar but have very different intents.
SuperCar offers, a more competitive quick eight field. (Sportmans Ladder in Supercars, Pro Ladder in fast)
SuperCar does not allow the use of bald polyglas tires (ie slick polyglas tires) SuperCar Tire rule: Tire Tech; All the repop tire treads are similar in design, 4-6 deep circular tread grooves with smaller grooves and sipes within those rows. There must be evidence of the original main tread grooves over the whole tire to be legal. Any bald sections or patches where the original main groove disappears and the tire must be replaced.
SuperCars does not allow the use of stand alone traction control. When/if caught using stand alone traction control you will be banned from the series.
SuperCars does not allow the trunk area to be use to house fuel cells, weight distribution/contraptions. Must look factory correct.
SuperCars is structured around the original intent of factory appearing musclecar racing.
Most important (This is HUGE) SuperCar Races gives back to the community. Through our races, merchandise sales, cruiz-ins and other activities we have donated over $3300.00 in the past two years to the Make A Wish foundation.
For a complete run down of rules, records and a complete schedule of events. please visit www.SuperCarRaces.com
SuperCar offers, a more competitive quick eight field. (Sportmans Ladder in Supercars, Pro Ladder in fast)
SuperCar does not allow the use of bald polyglas tires (ie slick polyglas tires) SuperCar Tire rule: Tire Tech; All the repop tire treads are similar in design, 4-6 deep circular tread grooves with smaller grooves and sipes within those rows. There must be evidence of the original main tread grooves over the whole tire to be legal. Any bald sections or patches where the original main groove disappears and the tire must be replaced.
SuperCars does not allow the use of stand alone traction control. When/if caught using stand alone traction control you will be banned from the series.
SuperCars does not allow the trunk area to be use to house fuel cells, weight distribution/contraptions. Must look factory correct.
SuperCars is structured around the original intent of factory appearing musclecar racing.
Most important (This is HUGE) SuperCar Races gives back to the community. Through our races, merchandise sales, cruiz-ins and other activities we have donated over $3300.00 in the past two years to the Make A Wish foundation.
For a complete run down of rules, records and a complete schedule of events. please visit www.SuperCarRaces.com
Posted By: cjfordman
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/20/10 11:13 PM
I think you need 8 cars to have a quick 8 field
Posted By: DaveDudek
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/20/10 11:35 PM
I was gonna keep away from this post but i`ll add my
. Like everybody else already stated, there are slight differences between the two classes. Unless you have been trapped in a cave you have been reading about FAST cars for 10 years now. If you want to attend a race and see all these cars you’ve been reading about you’ll see them at the FAST races. At Englishtown last year we had 7 cars running in the 10`s and this year the entire quick 8 field will be in the 10`s. I don`t believe the other class has had one single car run 10`s this year? Our rules are way tighter and we have had cars running in the 10.teens at over 137 mph. *FAST does not allow the BIG INCH MEGA blocks, we only allow factory water blocks. Most of the FAST guy`s like the challenge of building power around limitations. That`s what attracted them to the class to begin with.
FAST tear down to keep the cars in check! *To run in FAST you have to run the intake, heads, manifolds, etc the car left the factory with. The other race will let you run a mega block and a set of heads the car never seen from the factory. F.A.S.T. is keeping it grass roots, from the out-siders point of view more impressive because of the restrictions we face. It keeps the class intriguing and that`s part of the reason even after 10 years we still attract magazine coverage at our races. This year, after 10 years, will be our biggest year..
I`m tired of this "traction control" deal, first off you CAN NOT police against it, the top of the line $5000 units are made *not to be detected or found*. NASCAR and their million of dollars of resources can`t police against it and are constantly fighting this subject. Supercar or FAST, Please..LoL.
Every single traction control system out these basically runs off the ignition system. I`ll offer this up. At the Nats you buy me a MSD6AL we will wire it up and i`ll make a pass with no "traction control", I don`t run traction control so my ET/MPH will be the same. If not i`ll hand you over $500. Once in a while a traction control post comes up here and i`ll PM the guy and tell him what i found, he will write me back a few month later and tell me I was 100% correct. I`ve tried 3 different ETC set-ups and my car was slower with them all.
Posted By: cowbay
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 01:05 AM
I think both series are amazing what people can do with there stock appearing cars. I personally race in the supercar series. The reason being is that Ralph and everyone have treated me quite well. Their events are closer to where I live. Don't get me wrong the 10 second cars are great, but I would never be competitive in FAST. I do not have the finances nor time especially in this economy to build a car like that. For me, my car is street driven 3-5k a year and I like to take it to the track from time to time. Great group, great times and it helps a great cause.
Posted By: Big Squeeze
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:00 AM
The thing I don't get is way Ralph would change the rules just enough to keep some of the F.A.S.T guys away.... 
From here it looks like some kind of pissing contest...... 
F.A.S.T is a blast and there are a great bunch of guys doing it
.....If I didn't live so far away, I'd have built my car to run in it.... 
From here it looks like some kind of pissing contest...... F.A.S.T is a blast and there are a great bunch of guys doing it
.....If I didn't live so far away, I'd have built my car to run in it....
Posted By: XXHEMI
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:06 AM
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I think both series are amazing what people can do with there stock appearing cars. I personally race in the supercar series. The reason being is that Ralph and everyone have treated me quite well. Their events are closer to where I live. Don't get me wrong the 10 second cars are great, but I would never be competitive in FAST. I do not have the finances nor time especially in this economy to build a car like that. For me, my car is street driven 3-5k a year and I like to take it to the track from time to time. Great group, great times and it helps a great cause.
Cowbay
You hit the nail on the head!
It's all about having fun and being comfortable both glasses have there place for the guy's that want there show cars to tear A$$
Posted By: HPMike
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:16 AM
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Don't get me wrong the 10 second cars are great, but I would never be competitive in FAST. I do not have the finances nor time especially in this economy to build a car like that. For me, my car is street driven 3-5k a year and I like to take it to the track from time to time. Great group, great times and it helps a great cause.
I won't get into the conflicting personalities. I wish well for all. It's a lot of fun.
It does bother me when I hear people talk about FAST like it's some kind of "elitist" group of guys that have megadollar budgets and the "little guy" has no chance and might somehow feel intimidated and not participate. Farthest from the truth. Trust me, and I have personal knowledge, there are 10 second FAST cars that don't have NASCAR "open checkbook" budgets. Greg, Dave, and Terry have always made everyone feel very welcome at these events and all involved are always available to give advice,lend a hand or just be accomodating.
The people involved with the FAST group are some of the best folks you will ever meet. And the NY guys put on a food spread that rivals ANY racing venue. You really got to take your hat off to these guys.
MB
Posted By: MRVCODE
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:31 AM
I think both are great for the hobby. I have one legitimate question regarding tires. I would think that cars running in the low 11's and in the 10's would blow through the treads on a set of polyglas pretty quickly, in fact saying bald polyglas are slicks doesn't seem to make sense to me. Other than the FAST class I've never seen race car guys at the track running bald polyglass instead of slicks, just my Secondly wouldn't mega blocks and after market heads be a bigger advantage than a pair of bald polyglass? Again, I'm a neophyte to the racing scene and I do not intend to bust chops, just thinking logically.
Secondly wouldn't mega blocks and after market heads be a bigger advantage than a pair of bald polyglass? Again, I'm a neophyte to the racing scene and I do not intend to bust chops, just thinking logically.
Posted By: cowbay
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:36 AM
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You hit the nail on the head!
It's all about having fun and being comfortable both glasses have there place for the guy's that want there show cars to tear A$$
That is what it is all about. I think it is pretty safe to say the reason why we are all into cars here, is that it is a way to take a break from the real world. Even my wife knows that this is my one and only vice.
Posted By: DaveDudek
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:41 AM
At the Mopar Nats you guy's can come over and look at my tires and this topic will be done. 
They are the same poly repo tires just worn down, they are not slicks. Am I suppose to buy a new set of tires every event? That's like saying Joe Blow is gonna take the "bald" BF Goodrich radial T/A's off from his 77 Camaro and bolt them on a 7 second 10"inch tire car and run the same. Their both "slicks" LoL...
They are the same poly repo tires just worn down, they are not slicks. Am I suppose to buy a new set of tires every event? That's like saying Joe Blow is gonna take the "bald" BF Goodrich radial T/A's off from his 77 Camaro and bolt them on a 7 second 10"inch tire car and run the same. Their both "slicks" LoL...
Posted By: flathood
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:43 AM
Quote:SUPERCAR rules don't keep the FAST guys away,FAST guys choose not to play in the SUPERCAR sandbox.
The thing I don't get is way Ralph would change the rules just enough to keep some of the F.A.S.T guys away....
F.A.S.T is a blast and there are a great bunch of guys doing it
Posted By: MRVCODE
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:46 AM
Why not settle this at the Nats? Have a FAST vs SUPERCAR showdown, it would be a great racing fun and a great draw for the show, not to mention quite the grudge match!
Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:48 AM
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The thing I don't get is way Ralph would change the rules just enough to keep some of the F.A.S.T guys away....
We based the SuperCar ShootOut Series on the way fast started out. "Look Stock, Go Fast". When one of the original group of Factory Appearing MuscleCar Racers, Mike Wowk brought his 1970 Road Runner 440+6BBL to the first event in Norwalk the car looked as it does today. Fast made decision to change there series to allow trunks full of Jegs racing parts, tires that don't pass track tech let alone any dot check. This is the direction they wanted to go, we hope it brings them what ever they are looking for in the direction they are moving.
To answer your question, 85% of the car running in fast should/would pass all SuperCar rules, except traction control and tires. Those MuscleCars were built with the "Look Stock, Go Fast" philosophy. Take a look at the comprehensive tech that SuperCars does to every car that goes through Certification- http://www.supercarraces.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=531 This is done once a car runs 11.69 or quicker, or if an owner chooses to have his car certified at an E/T above 11.69. Certification details- http://supercarraces.com/certified10.html
The SuperCar ShootOut listens to its racers. We put a great deal of thought in our New Cylinder Head rule. We welcome everyone to take a look at what our racers had to say about it in this post http://www.supercarraces.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=413
In our third year we have increased our car count at every event
. We offer our racers events that have no out of pocket expence to race in and be a part of.(Free Entry, Camping, and Free Racing: New England Dragway & Carlisle in 2010) We have a great group of sponsor that we use to support ALL of the racers in the series. Auto Services of Old Saybrook
Compu-Flo
Moparts.com
Carlisle Production
Central CT Coatings
Ultimate Converter Concepts
Tires For Less Pittsburgh PA
North East Restoration and Fabrication
Central CT Autobody
Precision Shaft Technologies
Jack's Autoparts
Jannetty Racing Enterprises
East Coast Motorsports
Custom Wire Sets FireCore50
and countless silent sponsors that give generousley to the series.
Posted By: DaveDudek
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:51 AM
Hey Ralph, our tire rule has been the exact same for 10 years now....
Posted By: cjfordman
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:55 AM
It would be way to one sided to do the FAST cars are much Faster
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:57 AM
The racers and participants in both events are very special racers. Not many racers in the world can do what these guys do. Take ,sometimes six digit value vehicles, and get them somehow down the track without spinning the crap out their Polyglas tires. whichever event you chose, you will be treated with respect, admired by many, race with the most elite "showcars" in the hobby, and treated to some of the best parties at any car show event in the world. Not kidding. Both classes can really make the new guys feel like brothers, and all"tricks " are revealed.. The tricks are just options the new guys were afraid to ask about. All mods are openly talked about. In my humble opinion, I love the idea of racing showroom racecars, able to beat stock "showroom racecars" of present times..
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 02:59 AM
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Why not settle this at the Nats? Have a FAST vs SUPERCAR showdown, it would be a great racing fun and a great draw for the show, not to mention quite the grudge match!
TOTALLY!!!!!
Posted By: fullmetaljacket
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 03:04 AM
OKAY, OKAY, I'm coming out with a SUPER/FAST class machine to end all.
I'll run anyone with my 5HP Techumseh Chopper Minibike I've had since the mid 70's for the first 20 ft. heads up. Lol.
Both these classes have a set of noble class guys.
My street racing ways says the following:
Have a Show Down between the two for bragging rights with a fair handicap system.
Each spectator donates a dollar or more to their FAST or Super mercenaries team and the winning team donates the hero money to the Charity of choice and the runner up to the second charity.
Every one wins.
I'll be the arm drop fella cause I've been doing it way before Mr. Christensen has and I'm a tuff arm to beat as some here will tell you.
With the right PR/TV coverage behind and front, it could be a show stopper.
PS: I'll never forget the violence under the hood of Dave Dudek's Bird when I took a pit cruise in it.
I'll run anyone with my 5HP Techumseh Chopper Minibike I've had since the mid 70's for the first 20 ft. heads up. Lol.
Both these classes have a set of noble class guys.
My street racing ways says the following:
Have a Show Down between the two for bragging rights with a fair handicap system.
Each spectator donates a dollar or more to their FAST or Super mercenaries team and the winning team donates the hero money to the Charity of choice and the runner up to the second charity.
Every one wins.
I'll be the arm drop fella cause I've been doing it way before Mr. Christensen has and I'm a tuff arm to beat as some here will tell you.
With the right PR/TV coverage behind and front, it could be a show stopper.
PS: I'll never forget the violence under the hood of Dave Dudek's Bird when I took a pit cruise in it.
Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 03:04 AM
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I think both are great for the hobby. I have one legitimate question regarding tires. I would think that cars running in the low 11's and in the 10's would blow through the treads on a set of polyglas pretty quickly, in fact saying bald polyglas are slicks doesn't seem to make sense to me. Other than the FAST class I've never seen race car guys at the track running bald polyglass instead of slicks, just my
Great question John, Tires will last about five seasons in the SuperCar Series. We run 10 races a year, plus TnT. One of our racers John Suess (Hurst Olds) just bought a new set of tires and this is his 6th season. Last week at Carlisle Kevin Davey 1970 Challenger (Top Eliminator of the 2010 Carlisle Event) used a set of my tires that Dave Dudek had on his Challenger 8 years ago, that still have a great deal of tread on them. When not loaned out for track duty they reside on my Hemicuda.
Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 03:19 AM
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Whats the difference in these 2 events/classes/functions???
Mike it was great seeing you Saturday night. I still remember the first time we met in 1987, me and the 1969 427 Corvette and you in the 1968 Road Runner 440. It's hard to believe after all these years we are still spending time bench racing on the same stretch of road. Thanks for being a great friend....
Posted By: 72demon416
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 03:56 AM
I've been following the FAST class since it's inception and think it's the best thing since sliced bread (both classes). If I lived closer I would be playing the field as well- the only thing that I am not fussy about in this class (fast) is using the trunk as a hiding spot for fuel cell/pumps etc....my take on it if it is supposed to look stock then it should look stock- period (roll bar and basic guages notwithstanding)
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 04:01 AM
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Whats the difference in these 2 events/classes/functions???
Mike it was great seeing you Saturday night. I still remember the first time we met in 1987, me and the 1969 427 Corvette and you in the 1968 Road Runner 440. It's hard to believe after all these years we are still spending time bench racing on the same stretch of road. Thanks for being a great friend....
WOW,23 yrs!!!! Were getting OLD!!!!!
The only other thing I like better than BENCH racing is STREET racing!!!!! 
You too Ralph.
Posted By: Big Squeeze
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/21/10 01:13 PM
To an observer, like me........it seems that this type of racing is pretty specialized and there's a fairly small amount of people doing it, so if I wanted to start another series, I'd just copy the rules and do whatever I could to get the FAST guys to come, but, obviously, that doesn't appear to be happening?????? FAST has obvious success, so why change something if it isn't broke?????
What about the trunk rule? I'm guessing there are quite a few guys that have junk in their trunk..... I'm sorry, I couldn't resist that....
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To answer your question, 85% of the car running in fast should/would pass all SuperCar rules, except traction control and tires............
What about the trunk rule? I'm guessing there are quite a few guys that have junk in their trunk.....
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist that....
Posted By: RalphsRapidTrnst
Re: FAST VS SUPERCAR SHOOTOUT - 07/22/10 12:22 AM
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What about the trunk rule? I'm guessing there are quite a few guys that have junk in their trunk.....
Wayne You're right some racers do have junk in the trunk. The majority don't have it and feal the way we do about the trunk. We have a great post on the forum detailing this conversation- http://www.supercarraces.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=358
The racers voted three to one to keep the trunk stock appearing like the rest of the car.
In the SuperCar ShootOut Series we allow ALL musclecars to compete. On our forum we have a post title-
MuscleCars not elligable to compete in SuperCar ShootOut
#1____
_______The reason you see no cars on this list is, if Detroit built it, you can race it. All Factory MuscleCars are eligible to compete in the SuperCar Series. Shelby Mustangs with correct factory headers and SuperChargers are eligible (Must have correct original style headers), 1964 Steal Nose Race Hemi Plymouths and Dodges with Factory cast Iron Headers are eligible to compete (Must have correct Race Hemi parts and cast iron tubed headers) as well as the famed 1969 ZL1 Corvette. All correct combinations built by the "factories" are eligible. What is not eligible are owner made up combos.
