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MP .590 cam info UPDATE WITH RESULTS

Posted By: Kevins493

MP .590 cam info UPDATE WITH RESULTS - 06/10/10 01:42 AM

I have a MP .590 cam but it came with no information as to where it should be degreed in. I know there are two versions; my part number ends with 663 (no suffix).
Posted By: 10sec440

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 01:55 AM

Great cam if matched properly. Don't let anybody tell ya otherwise.

Mopar Performance #312-P4120663
Purple Shaft Cam & Lifter Kit
Adv. Duration: .312°/312°
Dur. @ .050'': 265°/265°
Lift: .590''/.590''
Centerline: 106°
Basic RPM: 3400-6900 RPM
Bolt Pattern: 3-Bolt
Posted By: Dads426

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 01:58 AM

Thanks 10Sec440!
Posted By: cbarracuda

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 02:01 AM

4120663 312 590 106 RC 104 BIG B 4120657 312 590 106 rc 104 SMALL B
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 02:06 AM

We put the one in my buddies up to 100 after it was a little lazy on launch at 104. 446 with eddie heads and 4400 stall MP tunnelram two 700 DP's
Posted By: Sport440

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 02:12 AM

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Thanks 10Sec440!




With 10 Sec 440!, Great Cam!

It will perform just as well against the latest/newest modern design cams in most cases of similer size.


Its actual true .050 lift duration dimensions are around 271 @.050 vs the advertized 265 @.050 as measured by Dwayne Porter, Me and a few others around here.

Most users of it like it installed at around a 99*to 102* ICL if intake valve clearence allows.

Great cam , Mike
Posted By: 68cuda2003

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 02:40 AM

I was in the same situation you are in. I telephoned mopar performance and the guy emailed me the cam card. It was simple. Hope this helps.
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 03:13 AM

dont like em
had 1 killed it self in 5 passes
went with racer brown after that wouldnt look back
Posted By: '72CudaRacer

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 03:19 AM

I installed it 2* advanced (from straight up) and found I had too much torque, retarded it 4* (2* from straight up) and it calmed the car down, but really didn't slow it down much.
Brian

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Posted By: Kevins493

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 04:43 AM

Thanks everyone!
Posted By: 340man4ever

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 05:09 AM

Not sure if this helps but I believe the old Direct Connection spec called for it to be installed at 104.

BTW: My zero deck, flat piston, .030 over 440 w/915 closed chamber ported iron heads, and that cam made 565 HP @ 6200 and 520 ft/lbs @ 4900 rpm with an M1 single plane and 850HP. I installed mine at 104. My compression is 11.25:1

Don't know if this helps......but.........


I like that cam................
Posted By: SILVER67

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 11:58 AM

Would this cam still be pump gas friendly (93 octane) with aluminum heads and say 11 to 1 compression? Would it be worth it to use this cam in a 493 at that point for a street/strip car?

Seems like it would not be too difficult to build a 600HP 493 with MCH Eddy RPM heads and a Holley Street Dominator and thei cam? Flat tops? Maybe? Just bench racing....

Michael
Posted By: Joshs68

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 12:03 PM

I run it in a 10/5.1cr w aluminum heads street car, I am happy with it. Runs fine on pump gas in a 470 low deck.
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 01:25 PM

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Would this cam still be pump gas friendly (93 octane) with aluminum heads and say 11 to 1 compression? Would it be worth it to use this cam in a 493 at that point for a street/strip car?

Seems like it would not be too difficult to build a 600HP 493 with MCH Eddy RPM heads and a Holley Street Dominator and thei cam? Flat tops? Maybe? Just bench racing....

Michael



That sounds almost exactly like the combination I am planning for the 67 R/T I just picked up,....have you been snooping around in my shop?
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 01:58 PM

Hey Kev, Big Bill was running 10.80's with that cam in his old 440 dart. Everybody seems to like it.
Posted By: SILVER67

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 02:04 PM

HA HA , not entirely snooping Keith. A couple of years ago you sent me a used .590 in great shape, I just had to pay the shipping. I am trying to build a combination in my mind that I can use it now. The .590 seems to be a cam that will get a 493 close to the 600HP mark with MCH stage I ported Eddy RPM's.... Or at least I am hoping.

Like to get my '67 R/T in the 11's.....

Michael
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 02:25 PM

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HA HA , not entirely snooping Keith. A couple of years ago you sent me a used .590 in great shape, I just had to pay the shipping. I am trying to build a combination in my mind that I can use it now. The .590 seems to be a cam that will get a 493 close to the 600HP mark with MCH stage I ported Eddy RPM's.... Or at least I am hoping.

Like to get my '67 R/T in the 11's.....

Michael




you should be well into the 11's w/ that combo, You could probably get into the 11's w/ a 557.
Posted By: Prostock

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 03:25 PM

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HA HA , not entirely snooping Keith. A couple of years ago you sent me a used .590 in great shape, I just had to pay the shipping. I am trying to build a combination in my mind that I can use it now. The .590 seems to be a cam that will get a 493 close to the 600HP mark with MCH stage I ported Eddy RPM's.... Or at least I am hoping.

Like to get my '67 R/T in the 11's.....

Michael




you should be well into the 11's w/ that combo, You could probably get into the 11's w/ a 557.




I have that cam with unported 88cc eddy heads and just a .030 over 440 and I am in the mid 11's with a 4.10 gear. Runs fine on pump gas too.
Posted By: Kevins493

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 04:05 PM

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HA HA , not entirely snooping Keith. A couple of years ago you sent me a used .590 in great shape, I just had to pay the shipping. I am trying to build a combination in my mind that I can use it now. The .590 seems to be a cam that will get a 493 close to the 600HP mark with MCH stage I ported Eddy RPM's.... Or at least I am hoping.

Like to get my '67 R/T in the 11's.....

Michael




you should be well into the 11's w/ that combo, You could probably get into the 11's w/ a 557.



Ron (383man) runs 11.4? with the .557 cam in a 3700lb pump gas street car through the mufflers.
Posted By: SILVER67

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 04:25 PM

I think the 3.23 gears are going to slow me down a bit.... Wondering how the .590 will like the 3.23's?

I do have a good 9 1/2 Dynamic (currently stalls a tad over 3000 in the .090 in the hole 440 I have with a Comp 470H) and a low first gear if that helps...

Michael
Posted By: Valiant_Showoff

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 04:35 PM

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I think the 3.23 gears are going to slow me down a bit.... Wondering how the .590 will like the 3.23's?

I do have a good 9 1/2 Dynamic (currently stalls a tad over 3000 in the .090 in the hole 440 I have with a Comp 470H) and a low first gear if that helps...

Michael




The 590 will HATE the 3.23 gears. IMO, you'll need 4.10's or steeper?
Posted By: maximum entropy

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 04:41 PM

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I think the 3.23 gears are going to slow me down a bit.... Wondering how the .590 will like the 3.23's?

I do have a good 9 1/2 Dynamic (currently stalls a tad over 3000 in the .090 in the hole 440 I have with a Comp 470H) and a low first gear if that helps...

Michael


that's up to the converter. 3000 is prolly too low. prolly. i've run giant cams and tall gears many times. with the right converter, it'll be huge fun.
Posted By: 77DragracerR/T

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 04:48 PM

I have the 590 cam in my 408 and it really likes it! I have no reason to pay the big $ for anything else at this time.
Posted By: 383man

383man - 06/10/10 04:49 PM

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HA HA , not entirely snooping Keith. A couple of years ago you sent me a used .590 in great shape, I just had to pay the shipping. I am trying to build a combination in my mind that I can use it now. The .590 seems to be a cam that will get a 493 close to the 600HP mark with MCH stage I ported Eddy RPM's.... Or at least I am hoping.

Like to get my '67 R/T in the 11's.....

Michael




you should be well into the 11's w/ that combo, You could probably get into the 11's w/ a 557.



Ron (383man) runs 11.4? with the .557 cam in a 3700lb pump gas street car through the mufflers.






You are right Kevin and thank you. But I use 906 iron heads at 10.0 comp. Its a .030 over 440 and I have the Holley street dominator intake with an 850 dp. I also use a Dynamic 9.5 converter with 4.30's and 30" tall tires. I drive it everywhere and it turns about 3500 rpm around 65 mph. I may use the .590 in my next build as I want to build an aluminum head RB eng and shoot for the 10's still on pump gas and still a street car that I drive alot. Thanks again Kevin , Ron
Posted By: dOc !

Re: 383man - 06/10/10 05:06 PM



Just watching and listening(need something like this for my boat) ..... I have never run anything near a 600 lift. What kind of piston-fly-cutting would be needed on say a six pack or pop-up old-school 383 or 440 pistons ?

To the guy who asks about a 3.23 gear with this cam ... you would have as much LUCK with a 2.76 gear(my choice on lots of applications) .... your 60 footers would be HORRIBLE ... but it would pull like a freight-train on the other end !
Posted By: Thor500

Re: 383man - 06/10/10 07:05 PM

Can you run the Crane type ductile rocker arms with this cam? Not to hi-jack the thread.
Posted By: racerAL

Re: 383man - 06/10/10 08:19 PM

absolutely..i'm ruuning the .590 with those rockers with NO problem.
Posted By: Kevins493

Re: 383man - 06/10/10 08:39 PM

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Can you run the Crane type ductile rocker arms with this cam? Not to hi-jack the thread.


I'm using the same ones so thats not really a hijack!
Posted By: StripeHOG

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 09:12 PM

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HA HA , not entirely snooping Keith. A couple of years ago you sent me a used .590 in great shape, I just had to pay the shipping. I am trying to build a combination in my mind that I can use it now. The .590 seems to be a cam that will get a 493 close to the 600HP mark with MCH stage I ported Eddy RPM's.... Or at least I am hoping.

Like to get my '67 R/T in the 11's.....

Michael




you should be well into the 11's w/ that combo, You could probably get into the 11's w/ a 557.


my car has run a best of 11.13 w/ the .528 purple cam
Posted By: cbarracuda

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/10/10 11:45 PM

The 590 is out of the question. 323 gears and low compresion no way. the 528 solid is what you need
Posted By: Thor500

Re: 383man - 06/11/10 01:04 AM

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absolutely..i'm ruuning the .590 with those rockers with NO problem.




Thats good to know, maybe my stroker will be done sooner than I thought!
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/11/10 12:29 PM

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HA HA , not entirely snooping Keith. A couple of years ago you sent me a used .590 in great shape, I just had to pay the shipping. I am trying to build a combination in my mind that I can use it now. The .590 seems to be a cam that will get a 493 close to the 600HP mark with MCH stage I ported Eddy RPM's.... Or at least I am hoping.

Like to get my '67 R/T in the 11's.....

Michael




you should be well into the 11's w/ that combo, You could probably get into the 11's w/ a 557.


my car has run a best of 11.13 w/ the .528 purple cam




wow that's a good slip for the 528!
Posted By: Lightning

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/11/10 10:13 PM

is the .590" lift measured with the 1.5 ratio or just on the base circle?

I'm a bit of a newbie on cam measurements.

I was thinking of getting one of those cams for a 383.
Posted By: cudadoug

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/11/10 10:19 PM

I am surprised Bob (Prosport) hasn't chimed in here. IIRC, his Dart Sport had a low deck 451 with Eddy heads...and a .590 MP stick, and went 9.90's @ 133-ish...
Posted By: Sport440

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/11/10 10:24 PM

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I am surprised Bob (Prosport) hasn't chimed in here. IIRC, his Dart Sport had a low deck 451 with Eddy heads...and a .590 MP stick, and went 9.90's @ 133-ish...





Rumor has it that it wasnt the MP 590. He painted the shaft purple and called it the MP .590

Posted By: cudadoug

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/11/10 10:27 PM

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I am surprised Bob (Prosport) hasn't chimed in here. IIRC, his Dart Sport had a low deck 451 with Eddy heads...and a .590 MP stick, and went 9.90's @ 133-ish...





Rumor has it that it wasnt the MP 590. He painted the shaft purple and called it the MP .590






Uh oh...hello...Bob??
Posted By: forphorty

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/11/10 11:54 PM

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I think the 3.23 gears are going to slow me down a bit.... Wondering how the .590 will like the 3.23's?

I do have a good 9 1/2 Dynamic (currently stalls a tad over 3000 in the .090 in the hole 440 I have with a Comp 470H) and a low first gear if that helps...

Michael


that's up to the converter. 3000 is prolly too low. prolly. i've run giant cams and tall gears many times. with the right converter, it'll be huge fun.


Posted By: rlm2268

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/12/10 04:34 PM

Wonder why the duration numbers measure that much different than what the mopar cam specs. say Do they all seem to be around 270-271 @ .050 for anyone that has checked them?
Posted By: cudadon

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/12/10 05:53 PM

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Would this cam still be pump gas friendly (93 octane) with aluminum heads and say 11 to 1 compression? Would it be worth it to use this cam in a 493 at that point for a street/strip car?

Seems like it would not be too difficult to build a 600HP 493 with MCH Eddy RPM heads and a Holley Street Dominator and thei cam? Flat tops? Maybe? Just bench racing....

I had a .030 over 440, .590 with 12.5:1 compr. mild stage 6 heads, M1, headers and it made 630HP on the dyno.

The low gear set will help with that cam. Otherwise 3.23 gears would really slow it down.
Don

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Posted By: ProSport

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/12/10 08:41 PM

Sorry guys, been busy with baseball and car shows(Super Summit today). I actually shot 'Kevins493' a private message the day he started this thread to give him my 590 advice. I've posted it so many times I thought you guys might be tired of hearing it.

My old 73 DartSport, now owned by 73DartSport had an 11.2 to 1 compression pump gas 451(added 50% CAM2 at the track just for safety but we may run a 20% mix next time out). 400 block and 440 crank, 440 length rods. Had ported Eddy heads, 590 cam and 1.6 rockers. I installed the cam at 104 so it was 2 degrees advanced, I didn't want to go further and lose MPH. Flat tops were around .018 in the hole iirc. It went 9.96 in good air, and with the tunnel ram and 2 750's it went 9.88 or 9.89 at 134 MPH at 3050#'s with me in it.

I ran crane ductile iron rockers for a couple years and then switched to Harland Sharps just for safety. I think iron rockers from RAS would be the way to go but I do love the Harlands.

Maintenance free streetable combo that would 60 foot at 1.36 footbraking and run high 9's through a quiet X-pipe/Magnaflow exhaust system. I loved that combo and may go back to it with my next car.

Oh, also had an 8" ATI converter and 4.30 gears with 32" tall tires.

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Posted By: BradH

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/12/10 09:14 PM

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Wonder why the duration numbers measure that much different than what the mopar cam specs. say



Because the MP #s are derived from their bogus "85% of advertised duration" b.s. factor, rather than anyone there actually measuring a cam.
Posted By: rt66jim

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/17/10 03:12 AM

What open and closed spring pressure is required for this cam?
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/17/10 02:23 PM

bump....

does anyone make a comparable solid roller
version of/like this .590 flat tappit..mopar cam..?

if so...what would it be?

X2...ditto on what are the spring spec/s?

cheapst
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/17/10 03:03 PM

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I had a .030 over 440, .590 with 12.5:1 compr. mild stage 6 heads, M1, headers and it made 630HP on the dyno.
Don


Don,
Did you ever try pump gas on that or only 110 race?
Posted By: moparmanjames

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/17/10 06:37 PM

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is the .590" lift measured with the 1.5 ratio or just on the base circle?

I'm a bit of a newbie on cam measurements.

I was thinking of getting one of those cams for a 383.




I have to admit I laughed, it would be .885" lift with the rocker if it wer measured at the cam!
Yes it's measured at the valve.
Posted By: Kevins493

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/18/10 03:34 AM

i have the part number for the springs i used outside... It might go down the track as early as tomorrow, although that will be pushing it since I dont even have the heads on it yet. Speaking of the heads, I had been told the port work was done by Landy, and the other day, I found his logo stamped above the center exhaust ports on the exhaust flange.
Posted By: abodiesonly1

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/18/10 03:44 AM

The last BB 590 I did for a buddy, I used crane 99893 springs. 130lbs @ 1.850
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/18/10 12:06 PM

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i have the part number for the springs i used outside... It might go down the track as early as tomorrow, although that will be pushing it since I dont even have the heads on it yet. Speaking of the heads, I had been told the port work was done by Landy, and the other day, I found his logo stamped above the center exhaust ports on the exhaust flange.




when you get a chance post a picture of this..
thanks
cheapst
Posted By: Kevins493

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/21/10 02:11 AM

I don't have pictures of the port work, but I do have a couple of the stamping which I will post later..saw your post after the motor was together and about 30 min before I put it in the car.

Ok update:

The motor is in the car, I set the valve lash cold before i put it in.. Went to fire it last night, and the bypass on the Indy pump stuck shut and it blew the filter apart. Let me tell you, I had the best lubricated driveway and engine compartment you've ever seen in your life. And not a good thing when you're breakin in a flat tappet cam. I caught it really quick, so it didn't seem to do any damage. I haven't been able to check the lash yet, so we'll know when I do that.

Went to the track today, thought I had the pump fixed. When I was warming it up, it stuck again so I whacked the throttle and it stuck the bypass open, only had 10-15 psi at idle. Dad told me to run it anyways, so I did. Best of the 3 runs was 11.37 at 119. It seems to be dead lean because it had a pop at the top of first. I didn't have time to change jets (we got there late and had stuff to do for father's day anyways), so I bumped the timing down 2* and it picked up a tenth. I think once I get the jetting right, it should be in the 11.1's or so.
Keep in mind, I'm running stock replacement (0.030 over) six pack pistons, max wedge heads, stock cross ram intake, and the converter from the 493 which is flashing at 5000 even behind this motor.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/21/10 01:03 PM

and it was 100* out Kev....lol
Posted By: cudadon

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/21/10 03:33 PM

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I had a .030 over 440, .590 with 12.5:1 compr. mild stage 6 heads, M1, headers and it made 630HP on the dyno.
Don


Don,
Did you ever try pump gas on that or only 110 race?




Jim I only used 110 Torco on that engine. It may have been over kill on the octane, but I wanted to be safe!
That was a pretty good combo. I have since been told that that is probably MP's best cam.
I am wondering if the std port Stage 6(wich I still run) are too small in their port volume. What do you think? Don't mean to hijack this thread. Don

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Posted By: 446acuda

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/24/10 09:56 PM

Just out of curiosity, what lift is the 312 duration measured at? .020? I'm wondering how the 590 compares to the Ultradyne NF 298@.020, 271@.050, 0.620" solid cam.
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/24/10 11:42 PM

I believe the MP camshafts are measured at .015
Just makes it hard for people to compare.The advertised duration at.050 isn't 265 like they say,it is 271
Posted By: Sport440

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/25/10 01:56 AM

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Just out of curiosity, what lift is the 312 duration measured at? .020? I'm wondering how the 590 compares to the Ultradyne NF [Email]298@.020[/Email], [Email]271@.050[/Email], 0.620" solid cam.





@ .020 tappet lift, I measured the duration @ 304*

The 312 duration is measured at either .015 or .006 tappet lift, cant remember right now. Or was it .012. It sure as heck wasnt @ .020. mike
Posted By: Kevins493

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/25/10 02:24 AM

.006 IIRC
Posted By: Sport440

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/25/10 02:28 AM

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.006 IIRC




.006 was my best memory, just wasnt sure, off the top of my head, thanks for the confirmation, mike
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/25/10 02:41 AM

The MP solids I've plotted, I found advertised specs @ .015" lift.

Duration @ .020" should be 8º less than MP advertises.

Duration @ .050" should be 33º less than @ .020"

312º @ .015"
304º @ .020"
271º @ .050"

Posted By: Dads426

Re: MP .590 cam info - 06/25/10 02:58 AM

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when you get a chance post a picture of this..
thanks
cheapst




Here you go. For something that was hand-done probably about 20-30 years ago, the ports are beautiful. They were in the trunk of a 63 Dodge Max Wedge car that came out of California. I guess the owner did not want to use them since they weren't stock (plus they were milled so getting the intake to fit was a pain )

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Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: MP .590 cam info - 07/07/10 08:56 PM

cool thanks..
i have a set of heads that are supposed to be from landy
and i didnt see any markings..but didnt know where to look ..either..
its a D L ..?
they are burried..but i printed out the pic.
so i could compare it..
its too hot to rummage through heads in the garage this time of yr...lol..

thanks again..and best of luck
cheapst.
Posted By: Kevins493

Re: MP .590 cam info - 07/08/10 04:46 AM

dLi. the L is capital, but very narrow and taller than the rest (extenting below the other letters) the circle around them has a tail on the left.
Posted By: 493_DART

Re: MP .590 cam info - 07/08/10 06:29 AM

Quote:

Would this cam still be pump gas friendly (93 octane) with aluminum heads and say 11 to 1 compression? Would it be worth it to use this cam in a 493 at that point for a street/strip car?

Seems like it would not be too difficult to build a 600HP 493 with MCH Eddy RPM heads and a Holley Street Dominator and thei cam? Flat tops? Maybe? Just bench racing....

Michael





great combo-- i have a similar cam in a 493 / 93 gas / flat tops / rpm heads / went 10.40 so far-i know theres more in it (10.30)
Posted By: grncpe

Re: MP .590 cam info - 07/08/10 09:25 PM

I run the same combo in my Demon.Box stock eddy's 493 inch,11:1,560 racer brown with 1.6 intake.On 93 octane,3 chamber flow masters,Victor,Proform 950 and run 10.teens all day in the heat.FWIW
If you want a stout 590 cam look at the old racer brown grinds.That 590 is a monster compared to the MP cam

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