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Estimate on how much to mill heads?

Posted By: BradH

Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 03:44 AM

Even though when I bought my CNC Hughes Victors they said their work included milling the heads back to the original chamber size (75 cc is what Edelbrock advertises), they looked "big" to me. So, tonight I measured the two end chambers of one head and came up w/ 82 cc for both (fractionally more for the one chamber that shows more drop-out from the CNC program).

Can anyone give me a reasonable estimate of how much should be milled to reduce the chamber volume per 1 cc? Now that I know they're actually bigger, I think I'll just take 'em down to 78 cc, same as w/ my Stage VIs, and leave the CR at 10.8.

P.S. What got me thinking I needed to measure my heads was noticing that Hughes has recently changed their CNC Victor description to say their program increases the chamber size and for additional $ they'll bring the chamber down to what ever your target volume is.

I wonder at what point they realized that 75 doesn't equal 82?
Posted By: 440charger500

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 04:06 AM

I think milling .010th is about -1.5 cc's. maybe someone else will chime in to verify it.
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 04:37 AM

level the cylinder head with an accurate level (machinist). fill the chamber with fluid to the volume you want the chamber to be. take a 0-1" depth mic that's been zeroed and place it on the head with the spindle just off the edge of the chamber. slowly turn the spindle down until the fluid just jumps up onto the spindle and take your reading. that is how much you need to cut the head to get the desired volume. if the mic is too close to the fluid level to get a good read you can put a spacer of known thickness (valve bucket shim, gage block etc.) under the mic and just subtract that from your reading.
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 04:45 AM

Good tip

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 12:02 PM

My new indys were corrected back to 75cc brad and on the heads it said .020 was taken off to get them back to 75cc ..... also wallace has a calc for this
Posted By: BradH

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 03:02 PM

I think Indy's spec of milling .006" for each 1 cc is close enough, considering they have similar chamber shapes and volumes --> 4 cc = .024"
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 06:02 PM

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I think Indy's spec of milling .006" for each 1 cc is close enough, considering they have similar chamber shapes and volumes --> 4 cc = .024"




think it would need that much ? an open chamber 906 Rule of thumb is .005 for every 1 cc ????
Posted By: 602heavy

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 07:20 PM

To get a set of Indy heads from 75cc to 66cc i had to cut .080" off the head.
Posted By: BradH

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 07:23 PM

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I think Indy's spec of milling .006" for each 1 cc is close enough, considering they have similar chamber shapes and volumes --> 4 cc = .024"




think it would need that much ? an open chamber 906 Rule of thumb is .005 for every 1 cc ????



Think wide (open chamber) vs. deep (closed chamber).
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 07:25 PM

the indy chamber is smaller and has less effect when milled, with the 906 you're getting a lot of chamber reduction when cut.
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 07:26 PM

UGH...treed again
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 08:43 PM

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the indy chamber is smaller and has less effect when milled, with the 906 you're getting a lot of chamber reduction when cut.




That's right , for some reason I was thinking that the smaller chamber wouldn't need as much
Posted By: BradH

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/08/10 09:42 PM

I was actually hoping it would take a LOT of milling to bring the chambers down. See, I had this little(?) problem last night where the head didn't stay put where I'd left it and... it landed on an OEM '70 4-bbl iron intake.

Naturally, it ended up chamber-side down, so there are some scratches and small gash marks on the surface that I'd like to see go away.
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/09/10 03:04 AM

Brad, depending on where the marks are i wouldn't sweat it. personally i try not to put the compression in the head but rather the piston, deck, gasket whenever possible. i hate cutting heads for CR.
Posted By: BradH

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/09/10 01:25 PM

Unfortunately, one of the "gashes" is right on the edge of the combustion chamber where the gasket "fire ring" would be.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/09/10 02:34 PM

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Unfortunately, one of the "gashes" is right on the edge of the combustion chamber where the gasket "fire ring" would be.




have it welded ?
Posted By: BradH

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/09/10 02:59 PM

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Unfortunately, one of the "gashes" is right on the edge of the combustion chamber where the gasket "fire ring" would be.




have it welded ?



If necessary... but I hope that's not required.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/09/10 03:11 PM

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Unfortunately, one of the "gashes" is right on the edge of the combustion chamber where the gasket "fire ring" would be.




how about a large bore gasket like 4.560? it would also help lower the compression.
Posted By: BradH

Re: Estimate on how much to mill heads? - 06/09/10 04:00 PM

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how about a large bore gasket like 4.560? it would also help lower the compression.



I'll consider all options at this point.

Still feeling really STOOPID for having let the freakin' head fall over in the first place. Some things are so easily preventable... and yet they still happen.
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