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Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics

Posted By: aarlucas

Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/17/10 05:53 PM

As some of you may know, I have an all original AA/FC I have been restoring for a few years. The only thing that is not original(as last ran) on the car is the headers and the the 75-77 era Monza body it came with. It last ran with a 71 Mach1 Mustang body on it.

I had a new 71 Mach1 body made for the car. The mold for my body came from an original body just like mine. I thought I posted a few pictures for you guys to see. To make it a Mopar thread too, I posted a picture of the engine as it was the day I picked up the car.


This is the original engine. Kenny Hirata was the bulder and tuner of the engines that were in the car. He also built this one too.


This is the day I picked it up.


This is what it looked like as last ran. The African American women was the owner and driver. She is the only African American women (known) to ever drive a BB/FC, A/FC or AA/FC.


This is the new body I had built from an original like she last ran.

This car was featured in the Nov 1971 Ebony magazine. The AP ran a story on her in 1972. When they built the car in 1970/71 it cost them 18K. I have all the history on the car, including pictures of it being built in Jan/Feb 1970.

I have a web site you can look at to see more history of the car if you are interested. www.ConquerorRacing.com

Enjoy.
Rick
Posted By: RonTheAnnouncer

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, "Not dial up friendly" - 05/17/10 07:44 PM

Very, very cool! I love the Nostagia funny cars, and yours has a cool history to boot!
Posted By: Kevins493

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, "Not dial up friendly" - 05/17/10 07:44 PM

Are you going to try to update the chassis or is it just gonna be a cacklefest car??
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, "Not dial up friendly" - 05/17/10 08:12 PM

I was thinking about updating the chassis. Then I was talking with the curator of the Harrah's auto museum in Reno about it a few years ago. He was advising me against that. I have spoke with Don Garlits, he did the same. I have a friend who works for the NHRA Heritage series and he did the same. Also, since then I have gathered so much of the original history on the car too. With all the history and the fact that everything is original except the headers and the new re-made body I deceided that complete restoration was the way to go. So it will be a ready to run car meeting all the requirements from the mid 70's as last ran. The NHRA will allow certain things to be done with them if they are all original. For example, burnouts, and half track passes like Don Garlits does. Of course I will show it and do cackle stuff with it too.

If you looked at the website, you saw some of the stuff I have. I have more too. I have two of the Ebony 1971 magazines and a copy of the Nov 1973 Ebony Jr magazine she was in too. I also have the original letters from 1972 and 1973 that she received from people across the US after the AP artical ran. I have all five draft copies of the AP artical too on the original telitype paper. We are still gathering info too. For example, Dale Pulde has been in contact with me to give me info and I have spoke with Kenny Hirata many times about the car and his involvement.

Tell your dad I said hello. We used to work together in DC when I was in the Coast Guard before I retired.

Rick
Posted By: blown572dart

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, "Not dial up friendly" - 05/18/10 12:22 AM

Rick it was great talking to you today sure has been a while. Car looks great ( nice STANG )

Thanks for the input.


Jimmy
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, "Not dial up friendly" - 05/18/10 12:40 AM

hirata was just at norwalk and mrs Koffel was telling me how thay pitted next to each other.if you called koffels place in huron ohio mrs K would be glad to talk about it i am sure am maybe get some inside info on things[something not printed]it is worth a shot.
Posted By: Chassisman

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, "Not dial up friendly" - 05/18/10 01:32 AM

That thing seriously needs to attend the March Meet or Calif Hot Rod Reunion....awesome piece!
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/19/10 12:12 PM

Jimmy, it was great talking with you too. Keep me in mind when you go testing. If I'm in town I'd love to go help you out.

Chassisman, that is the plan along with a few other things too. I have a friend who works for the NHRA Heritage Serires and he has already told me he wants the car to go to some National events in the Memory Lane area. However, I have to finish it first!

Rick
Posted By: Darrell

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/22/10 12:48 AM

Hey Rick, cool reading and good luck with the project.
Posted By: Dads426

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/22/10 01:29 AM

Hey Rick,
Glad to see you are doing well. I've got two more years at CGHQ. Gonna retire right before the big move to Saint Elizabeth's.

Looks like a fun project. BTW, our good friend Tom Sneden found his old funny car and is restoring it for shows and possibly a cackle fest. He's 80 now, so he doesn't plan to drive. Maybe he will let Kevin do some 1/8 mile passes...

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Posted By: Chris_R/T

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/22/10 05:16 AM

http://www.dragzine.com/news/new-life-for-a-nostalgic-mach-1-funny-car/

Posted By: jamesc

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/22/10 06:31 AM

that really is some cool history. there are a fair number of cars that are or have been restored all with history behind them but given that cars history certainly puts it in a class it's own. the fact that she (they) held on to it all those years is a testament to it's meaning to them. i imagine she's happy to see it being restored to it's original form. it certainly needs to be circulated.
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/24/10 05:31 PM

Chris,
Are you the Chris that wrote that article? If you are, thanks alot!! I will pass this on to Nellie to read, she will be thrilled! She is so happy about the restoration. When I showed her the new body last weekend (while she was at work) she said, "I hope I can wipe this smile of my face before I go back in."
Rick
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/24/10 05:38 PM

Hi Jon,
I bet Tom is really excited about finding his old car! I would love to find on like it too. Nellies first car was rebodied with a 70 Challenger body after the 68 cuda body was destroyed (she hit a tree with it!). I would love to remake that car too.
I bet you are looking forward to retirement. I know I have certainly been enjoying mine. The only bad thing about it is I still have to work, my toys cost too much for me to live on my retirement check. Perhaps one day I will slow down and retire for good!
We may be coming up to run the supercharger showdown at MIR this year with the TAFC. If we do, I'll let you know. Maybe you can make it out.
Rick
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/24/10 05:39 PM

Thanks Darrell.

How's your cuda project coming along?
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/24/10 06:06 PM

That is pretty cool,Rick!!
Posted By: Dads426

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 05/24/10 07:05 PM

Quote:

Hi Jon,
I bet Tom is really excited about finding his old car! I would love to find on like it too. Nellies first car was rebodied with a 70 Challenger body after the 68 cuda body was destroyed (she hit a tree with it!). I would love to remake that car too.
I bet you are looking forward to retirement. I know I have certainly been enjoying mine. The only bad thing about it is I still have to work, my toys cost too much for me to live on my retirement check. Perhaps one day I will slow down and retire for good!
We may be coming up to run the supercharger showdown at MIR this year with the TAFC. If we do, I'll let you know. Maybe you can make it out.
Rick




Definitely let me know if/when you are coming up to MIR/Capitol/Cecil. It would be great to see you. Jon
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/21/11 07:39 AM

I just stumbled upon this story and WOW. Awesome might be too subtle a word to describe my feelings. I appreciate you having a dedicated website for the car and documenting its restoration, and look forward to seeing more (and if possible much larger) pics.

Do you know who originally painted and lettered the body, by chance?
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/21/11 03:30 PM

Pink,
I wish I knew. They got the mustang body from Kenny Hirata. I was talking to Kenny and Dave a few weeks ago about this very question. Kenny could not remember who painted the body. Nellie and Otis had the body lettered. Nellie can't remember who did the lettering either. She just remembers they flew someone in from California to letter it. She said it was a real big deal then. The lettering was gold leaf too.

Dave Hirata wants to paint the car because he remembers it from when he was a kid and his dads involvement with the car. So he will be painting it when it is ready to paint.

Rick
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/21/11 03:34 PM

Here is an updated picture of the car as it sets right now.



Posted By: 383man

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/21/11 06:43 PM

Thats very cool. I remember that green Bob Banning Challenger real well. Ron
Posted By: bigsbigelow

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/21/11 07:44 PM

Very cool project.

I don't want to sound super negative here and I definitely appreciate nostalgia; but, I bet that if the original owner had a say in it, she would prefer the car be updated and raced. I can totally appreciate what you are doing but pictures can do a fine a job of documenting the history of the car. Updating it would allow you to enjoy the car the way the original owner did and carry on its legacy.
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/22/11 12:19 AM

Nellie is actually happy that it is being restored. She would be happy if it were raced too. But, it is not every day you come across a car that is this complete and original. With the except of the body and the headers, everything is original as last ran. So updating it would almost be building a new car completely. I really don't need to race it to feel good about it either to be honest. More people in the racing world really want to see it left original than updated and raced too.
Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/22/11 12:31 AM

looks great!
Posted By: Sledge_57

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/22/11 12:52 AM

Cool project and I remember the name Goins and Goins from back when I was a kid (14 or so at the time). Must have read it in some Drag Racing magazine, back then that's all I ever bought. Mom thought it was just for the cars, she never saw Linda Vaughns or Jungle Pams pics in them I guess

Glad you went with the Mach1 body instead of keeping the Monza body.
Posted By: B1duster

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/22/11 03:02 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nu-Plymouth-Arro...=item19cc011f53


Have you thought about changing the ford body ?
Posted By: bigsbigelow

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/22/11 04:48 PM

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Nellie is actually happy that it is being restored. She would be happy if it were raced too. But, it is not every day you come across a car that is this complete and original. With the except of the body and the headers, everything is original as last ran. So updating it would almost be building a new car completely. I really don't need to race it to feel good about it either to be honest. More people in the racing world really want to see it left original than updated and raced too.




Well, I would have lost that bet. Good luck with project.
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/22/11 06:04 PM

Quote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nu-Plymouth-Arro...=item19cc011f53


Have you thought about changing the ford body ?




Lots of different bodies available!
http://www.nostalgiafunnycarbodies.com/
This car deserves the original!
I sure hope that Nellie will be able to travel and make some appearances with the restored car.
Posted By: 23T Hemmee

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/25/11 07:37 AM

Lucas,
You're doing the right thing by keeping the car original. There is no way you could update that chassis to be competitive in todays world of N/FC, you have to run 6.00's just to get qualified and usually 5.70's to win. The whole spirit of the class from the competition side has been ruined by the few that can outspend or out-tune the majority that have built N/FC's just for the dream of having and running one. The same thing happened earlier in the Nostalgia Top Fuel classes and now if you don't have a 78-79 Arrow, Firebird or the like, you don't have much chance of being competitive, so the guys that built the earlier 67-72 bodies are pretty much relegated to match racing or exhibition just to have a place to run. And since NHRA has seen that they can put on a show, they've stepped in with the Heritage Series since they can make money off of them and started slapping big show style rules,(carbon brakes, leahy boxes, etc.)driving a lot of the little guys out, which doesn't make sense, but we all know NHRA has a nasty habit of crapping on the little guys. Enough rant, keep posting and keep us filled in on the progress........
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/25/11 11:58 AM

That is so awesome. Thanks for sharing Rick, I would love to see it in person someday.
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/25/11 12:39 PM

Ronnie,
I agree with everything you said. Even if I were very wealthy and could run with those guys, I wouldn't do it with this car. I would build a purpose built car. A couple of my friends who are big in the racing world think the right thing to do is to keep it 100% original as much as possible. As I have stated before, the only items not original are the body, which, Donnie Reeves made from an original Fiberglass Limited body and the headers, which are the same make and brand (Cragar). The engine, blower belt, spark plug and wires, tires, safety belt and all the reset of the stuff is just like it was when it was last ran. It would not do any justice to change that stuff out to run it. The car will run, just not down the track!
Rick

Jones,
Your close enough, that could be possible oneday.
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/25/11 10:51 PM

was that car from georgia?
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/26/11 02:11 AM

It was in Georgia when I bought it. But they ran it out of Gary, IN.

Are you familiar with the car?

Rick
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/26/11 03:36 AM

the car resided a few blocks from a good friend of mine..
i heard about the car a few times but never actually went and looked at it..

My Friend Milton Mills...said it was once offered to him for $5 grand..but it needed more work than he had the time for ....
but he often looked back at it and said..
coulda woulda shoulda..

this was in Marietta area of Georgia...

Looking at what you have now...I think any way you shake it you got a killer car...
I love the idea of a vintage flopper..

I just spoke to him the other day..I could ask him about it...is there anything in perticular you need asked?

cheapst
Posted By: aarlucas

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/26/11 04:02 PM

Hi Cheap,
I did buy the car in that area from a man named Sam. He bought it from Nellie Goins. She was the original owner and driver of the car. He introduced Nellie and I the day I got the car. Nellie and I have become great friends and she has shared a lot of info with me. I spoke with her two days ago. In addition to Nellie sharing info with me, Kenny Hirata shares info too. He help Nellie and Otis with the car. I have been able to build a complete history of the car, including pictures. The only thing I can't find is the best ET she ran. She can't remember, Kenny doesn't remember either and Otis is gone, I'm sure he would know if he were here. Nellie said she never broken into the 6's with it, but was close. She does remember her speed, which was 216. The ET is about the only pice of the puzzle I am missing at this point to be honest.

Your buddy passed up a great deal. When I got the car it was complete, hemi, lenco, blower and of course the car. Originally I was going to run it. However, over time I changed my mind. I could have parted the car out and made a ton of money on it. But, I made a promise to Nellie that I would restore the car to its original form. To me my word is my honor. Plus, the car is a part of drag racing history. There have been a few negitive people who disagree with this, but that has been less than three people. There is not another African American woman that ever, to this date, owned and drove a AA/FC. When she was driving there were only a hand full of women that drove AA/FC's too. I have received a lot of inquiries about the car and its history. Some from the NHRA Museum Manager, the Harraha's Auto Museum in Reno, NV and a few others too. I have open invitations to display the car at some pretty big racing venues once the restoration complete as well.

If your buddy knows anything at all, that info would be nice to know.

Thanks,
Rick
Posted By: 23T Hemmee

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/26/11 05:38 PM

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As I have stated before, the only items not original are the body, which, Donnie Reeves made from an original Fiberglass Limited body




Donnie is one of, if not the best Nostalgia body builders and really one of the pioneers of the Nostalgia movement, and one of the nicest guys on the planet. This was, I think, the second body he built, this was at the Hot Rod Reunion in '04, was owned by Bob Gibson, who had and probably still has the "Tom and Jerry" Duster, 12 years with the Safety Safari, was with American Wheels when this was taken, now owns and operates former Midstate Dragway in Havana IL.. Donnie built the first body with a Ford 427 cammer, don't know how I didn't get a pic of that, they were parked right next to each other. Can't see it real well but Bob did all of the airbrushed grill and headlights himself.

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Posted By: 23T Hemmee

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/26/11 05:40 PM

Another pic.....could have kicked myself when I got home to find there was a sweat smudge on the lens, after I had taken over 150 pics.....

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Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: Not Mopar, but the engine is, 1971 AA/FC pics - 12/29/11 04:05 AM

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Plus, the car is a part of drag racing history.




Plus, it's nice to get a glimpse at the lil guys (and gals, in Nellie's case) who made up such a huge part of the early '70s F/C scene. There were so many personalities and unique cars/combinations back then, so it's nice to see at least one car preserved/restored to as-raced specs. Factor in the unique aspect of Nellie and Otis and you have a story that will probably never be topped.
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