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1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 04:05 PM
Today im going to see if all my hard work and money is going to payoff, I dropped a 500 stroker in my 68 Satellite and going racing tonight to see how it goes, with my old 440 it ran a best of 13.22 102mph, nothing has changed but the new motor, anyone care to guess what i'll run, old 440 about 380 horses, new 500 suppose to be around 550.
kinda nervous and excited at the same time
Posted By: smokinwoody
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 04:13 PM
11's
Posted By: ajcasini
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 05:23 PM
I would say probably around 11.20 at around 119
Posted By: carolinacuda
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 06:53 PM
What gears, Tires, Stall? If guessing i will say 11.50's.
Posted By: moparniac
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 07:15 PM
11.71
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 08:12 PM
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Today im going to see if all my hard work and money is going to payoff, I dropped a 500 stroker in my 68 Satellite and going racing tonight to see how it goes, with my old 440 it ran a best of 13.22 102mph, nothing has changed but the new motor, anyone care to guess what i'll run, old 440 about 380 horses, new 500 suppose to be around 550. kinda nervous and excited at the same time
Is'nt the old saying " a tenth for every 100 HP"? So if thats true you will be in the low 11s. It really depends how well you hook up. speaking of "depenz"..lol..you might need some! 
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 08:17 PM
11.688 @ 117
I thought the saying was once you get fast its $1000 a tenth after that!!!
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 10:05 PM
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11.688 @ 117
I thought the saying was once you get fast its $1000 a tenth after that!!!
that sounds more like it!
Posted By: MrMopar95
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 11:12 PM
11.70-11.90 i predict !
hope for better. Good Luck
Posted By: roadhazard
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/19/10 11:21 PM
If you have a good base line tune I don't see any problem with 11.20's
If not tonight it certainly will be capable of at least that later
Posted By: DaveRS23
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 12:13 AM
Lots and lots of variables here, traction not the least of them. You say 550 hp in a 3,600 lb or so body. I'ld say either side of 12.00 depending on traction. Hook good and you can get into the high 11s, more spin means low to mid 12s. Good luck!
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 12:48 AM
11.682
That is a mild 500 inch motor.
Posted By: BSB67
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 01:06 AM
First time out, and if your in street trim, 11.99 @ 118 with a bunch of wheel spin.
Posted By: 383man
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 06:47 AM
When you get the tune right on and have a good converter with good hook I see low 11's. I make about 500 hp in my 906 headed 440 and have hit 11.49 at 3700 lbs. You should be faster then me once you have it ironed out.
Good luck , Ron
Posted By: 69CHARGERMD
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 09:58 AM
Well ?
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 04:47 PM
Ok, well im up now(went to sleep at 4am) and the results were.....1st time down the track I ran a 2010 SRT Challenger, I was nervous and since it was the all new I didnt really get on it too hard it ran a 12.50 at 111.00, Never got a second run, car got hot waiting for some guy to figure out how to stage. anyways... i thinks there more in it, by the way I spanked the Challenger, my .018 light to his .086 light he went 12.58 at 108. It was fun while it lasted. I dont think i can get in the 11's though
Posted By: strokin73cuda
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 04:51 PM
11s should be no problem for a 500 inch engine at 550 hp what is your combo,gears did it hook or spin?
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 04:57 PM
Didnt feel like it spinned, 3.91 gears 9" Hoosier slick, I didnt check my timing, just went by sound, I ran 92 octane, motor has 9.1 compression, a friend that was out there said I should run atleast 100 octane he races a 68 Cuda in the 10's, I have heard different side of that.
Posted By: Thumperdart
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 06:08 PM
Personally I feel it should go 11`s easy and I would NEVER race any car w/out knowing where the timing`s at.........could end a perfectly good day and motor.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 06:42 PM
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Didnt feel like it spinned, 3.91 gears 9" Hoosier slick, I didnt check my timing, just went by sound, I ran 92 octane, motor has 9.1 compression, a friend that was out there said I should run atleast 100 octane he races a 68 Cuda in the 10's, I have heard different side of that.
What was the 60' time.... also you wouldnt need 100
octane with 9.2 compression... it would most likely
slow you down due to the slower flame front
Posted By: 383man
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 09:49 PM
111 mph is enough to tap high 11's with good hook and 60 times. Ron
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/20/10 11:50 PM
my 60' time was 1.87 Thats about what i was doing going mid 13, maybe i did some spinning running on old slicks too might have to buy new ones. I did have 14 lbs in them same as the old 440, should I have gone with less?
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 12:10 AM
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Today im going to see if all my hard work and money is going to payoff, I dropped a 500 stroker in my 68 Satellite and going racing tonight to see how it goes, with my old 440 it ran a best of 13.22 102mph, nothing has changed but the new motor, anyone care to guess what i'll run, old 440 about 380 horses, new 500 suppose to be around 550. kinda nervous and excited at the same time
At that mph, you may not be making 550 HP, as trap speed is the indicator of horse power. You still could break into the 11s, imho.
In my experience a 9" tire was not enough, i would try to get a 10" tire under there and, also, be sure your convertor is right for that combo.
Posted By: DerickS
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 12:24 AM
What converter is in it again??
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 12:44 AM
2400 stall, I do have a 4500 stall but needs to be refreshed.
Posted By: DaveRS23
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 01:06 AM
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2400 stall, I do have a 4500 stall but needs to be refreshed.
You will need to change a lot of things in the drive train and rear suspension if you start hitting the rear tires with that 500" spinning at 4,500 off the line.
What does your combo weigh?
Do you have the tranny, drivshaft and joints, and diff that can handle that torque with sticky tires? I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I've been there, done that. Your 111mph shows the potential, while the 12.5 and overheat is an indication of some of the difficulties that lie ahead.
Posted By: DerickS
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 01:50 AM
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2400 stall, I do have a 4500 stall but needs to be refreshed.
I dont think that a ton more converter would be what you need its just that when you put alot more torque to converters sometimes they get real ineffecient and do weird things. You said it kinda hooked, did you look at what it flashed to on launch?? It could be slipping and leaving alot on the table
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 02:38 AM
all my suspension is stock stuff, driveshaft,U joints, spring are from a wrecked out 69 GTX, pinion snubber etc.... Its a street car that I am gradually making more race. car weighs 3600 with me Dont really know what you mean by flash launch, not a experience racer
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 05:08 PM
Thanks for all the advice and info, if I break in the 11's I will post it. I have a list of things to do. Once all the snow melts away here in Dallas, isnt it suppose to be spring now?
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 06:08 PM
Did I miss it...
.... what cam are you running?
I would say once tuned and you get used to the car's new setup I am willing to bet you will drop below 12.00s....
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 07:08 PM
509 lift 292 duration Mopar Performance cam in one of them crate motors
Posted By: DerickS
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/21/10 09:56 PM
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all my suspension is stock stuff, driveshaft,U joints, spring are from a wrecked out 69 GTX, pinion snubber etc.... Its a street car that I am gradually making more race. car weighs 3600 with me Dont really know what you mean by flash launch, not a experience racer [/quote
If you bring the car up to a certain RPM say 1200 on the brake before you launch what does it rev to when you flat pedal it to take off? You said it was a 2400 stall is that what you rev it to against the brakes on launch?
Posted By: carolinacuda
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/22/10 01:02 PM
well there are alot of factors we need to know to see what you should run. My mild 440 in a 74cuda with stock susp run 11.50's @116-117mph. I run a 1.55-1.58 60ft. 3500 stall 3.91 gears. Your cam should get you in 11's. What heads, Int, carb, gears, fuel system, tires are you runnin? Something not right here? Maybe starving for fuel?Like was said maybe not 550hp. Timing should be at least 36 degrees all in by 2000 rpm. My opinion. Good luck!
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/22/10 01:14 PM
Well your giving up at least .4 in the 60 foot at least and that is just there. any improvment in the 60 foot is usually X 2 in the quarter. so if you go 1.65 short times 1.87 - 1.65 = .22 X 2 = .44
1.65's would still be poor for your car by the way.
so a 4000 stall, 38 deg total, bring up the shift points, work on rthe cooling a set of caltracs and mono springs good slicks and 11.5's with no problems
Probably more as you work it all out1
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Posted By: BobR
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/22/10 01:32 PM
Timed by ear? Presently, you are somewhat short of 550 HP but with some expert tuning you may find it. My 530 HP 440 3400# Dart went 10.90's at 124.
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/22/10 02:21 PM
Well I have figured out the cooling, I had no thermastat or a water restrictor, Fixed that with a old thermastat removed the center and drilled a few holes around the base. I will work on timing next with a light!
Posted By: MrMopar95
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/22/10 02:42 PM
dont waste any money on running high octane fuel, get somthing middle grade at the pump, your middle and high grades at the pump are usually a cleaner fuel than lowest grade. only diff. but for power, not a thing
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/28/10 02:46 AM
Went to Pinks All Out car ran much better, 12.06 112.00 Maybe 11's soons.
Posted By: 383man
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/28/10 03:18 AM
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Went to Pinks All Out car ran much better, 12.06 112.00 Maybe 11's soons.
Nice going. What was your 60 ? Ron
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/28/10 03:24 AM
60' was 1.715 Uncle Sam owes me some money and going to buy some new slicks. The ones I have are pretty much done with.
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/28/10 05:47 AM
I have seen .30 ET change with new tires and the right pressures
BTW, don't be suprised if the neck hurts a little after a good hit
Neck snapping torque and traction, just like all the other good Mopars
BTW, why does the other converter need fixing? Is it broke or are you not sure? If any doubts send it out
On the first seriuos race car I work on we had a bad expereience with a well known transmission company who had just started making "race" converters, his converter was slower ET and MPH than the stock street Hemi converter we had we ended up going .7 faster and about 1 MPH slower with a different brand really good 8 inch converter versus the stock 2400 RPM street Hemi converter
Buy a really good converter to start with
I'm glad the car is going faster and your out there testing, tuning and hopefully having some fun
Posted By: BEEQUIK
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/28/10 12:56 PM
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/28/10 01:36 PM
When I put that other torque converter in my 60 times got way better with my old 440, but my mph dropped and I really didnt go any quicker mid 13 was my best, But I did learned after I pulled the 440 that one motor mount was loose and that the more 110 fuel the slower i went too, Dont know if it need refreshing but I would get it gone thru anyways if I were to put it in. there a video floating around called The Hulk and The Farmer, ITs a commercial for Pinks All Out and it a small feature of me in it and my car, Just found this out at Pinks Saturday.
http://www.streetfire.net/video/hulk-and-the-farmer_701942.htm
Posted By: 1AARCUDA
Re: 1st Test and Tune for my 500 stroker - 03/28/10 05:37 PM
Carb is a 950 HP Done by BIGS aka John a member here on Moparts he came highly recommended by others he knew my setup and all, intake is a M1 single plane stock.
